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fastyxx on 14 July 2010

@ OP

One down, 100 million to go.  Take Rush and Sarah with you, if you please.



Can't we all just get along and play our games in peace?

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NoddyHolder on 14 July 2010
dahuman said:
NoddyHolder said:
TheRealMafoo said:
NoddyHolder said:


I have one now...I work in a corner shop behind the counter...3 days a week, 6 hours a day...pay is decent enough, I work hard too.

been working for about 2 months there 3 days a week, weekend job at the same shop for about a year before that.

I have friends on benefits, I have no issue with them doing so, they arent in work for whatever reasons, its not my place to judge, and they are all good people.

Not sure this shop applies, but humor me...

Now let's say you want to better yourself at that store, so you work harder, or take the less desirable shifts so the boss notices you. In a few years, you make assistant manager. The job pays for shit and is a ton of responsibility, but you take it because you know it's the only way to be manager some day. You work every night, and close up. Then the manager moves on, and because you were the best assistant manager, you get the manager job. Now your doing the book, hiring people, firing people, making shift schedules, making sure the supplies are always on time.

You work incredibly hard because you want that regional manager job. After 10 years of busting your hump more then the next guy, you are now regional manager, making 120k a year.

But you only get to keep some of that. 4 months out of your life, you get to work so you can give all your efforts to someone who doesn't work. All those people who you worked harder then, get to not pay taxes, Instead, you pay it for them, and the guy who has been working the same job at the counter for the last 10 years, gets part of his monthly spending money off government assistance that you have to pay for.

I think the reason you feel the way you do, is because while you have friends on assistance, you don't pay for it. As you get older, you will realize that to get ahead, takes work. Once you have done that work, you will feel different about people taking it from you to give to those people who just chose to go home and watch TV, and not not close every night.

I would be paying my fair share to help society as a whole to be better, so I would have no issue paying taxes, heck on 120k a year? I would happily pay 70k a year in tax, 50k would be a fantastic amount of money to earn in a year after tax even, its twice what my mam earns.


uh, retirement is only going to get more and more harsh the newer the generation atm, I hope you are thinking really far ahead instead of looking at your own ideals, there are a lot of factors you need to consider these days espeically for somebody your age right now, and you need to leave your mom out of this, use the world as a base, not your mother, would be a pretty good start. again, just friendly advices, hope I'm not once again judging the hell out of your family rofl.

thats why everyone should get a basic pension.



NoddyHolder on 14 July 2010
mrstickball said:

Remember, judgment is something you do to someone when it doesn't effect you.

When money is being taken out of your check for someone else, its not judgment. Its stewardship of the income you earn. Someone else (the government) takes a part of your money. If you feel that they are using it unwisely, you can discuss, debate, and argue what to do with it. Remember, its your money.

Its no different if you gave your wife some money after she took it from you, and she spent it very poorly...Wouldn't you want to discuss it with her? Or is it 'not your place to judge', despite her demanding it?

technically, the money belongs to whoever made it. (robots I believe, they could be rich if they thougt like you guys, huh?)

if I was married and my wife asked for money that I had spare, she could have it. and yes, its not my place to judge how she spends it, if I did that, it would be hard to have a long relationship with anyone ;)



mrstickball on 15 July 2010
NoddyHolder said:

technically, the money belongs to whoever made it. (robots I believe, they could be rich if they thougt like you guys, huh?)

Wrong. Money is made, or earned when an economic transaction occurs. If I do a job for someone, I may demand compensation. Currency is usually the preferred method.

if I was married and my wife asked for money that I had spare, she could have it. and yes, its not my place to judge how she spends it, if I did that, it would be hard to have a long relationship with anyone ;)

Unless she keeps taking your money and spending it frivolously. You'd be surprised how often divorces happen because one person cannot spend wisely, and leads the family into bankruptcy.





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NoddyHolder on 15 July 2010
mrstickball said:
NoddyHolder said:

technically, the money belongs to whoever made it. (robots I believe, they could be rich if they thougt like you guys, huh?)

Wrong. Money is made, or earned when an economic transaction occurs. If I do a job for someone, I may demand compensation. Currency is usually the preferred method.

if I was married and my wife asked for money that I had spare, she could have it. and yes, its not my place to judge how she spends it, if I did that, it would be hard to have a long relationship with anyone ;)

Unless she keeps taking your money and spending it frivolously. You'd be surprised how often divorces happen because one person cannot spend wisely, and leads the family into bankruptcy.




1) sure, but all money was created at some point, also, you assume that I agree with what people are paid for there jobs, which I do not.

2) seriously? your using a rare extreme here? I guess, but then i can just say this to you: it would be that rare and extreme for someone to abuse benefits too, so we should still have them because only a few will abuse the system that benefits the others.



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mrstickball on 15 July 2010
NoddyHolder said:
mrstickball said:
NoddyHolder said:

technically, the money belongs to whoever made it. (robots I believe, they could be rich if they thougt like you guys, huh?)

Wrong. Money is made, or earned when an economic transaction occurs. If I do a job for someone, I may demand compensation. Currency is usually the preferred method.

if I was married and my wife asked for money that I had spare, she could have it. and yes, its not my place to judge how she spends it, if I did that, it would be hard to have a long relationship with anyone ;)

Unless she keeps taking your money and spending it frivolously. You'd be surprised how often divorces happen because one person cannot spend wisely, and leads the family into bankruptcy.




1) sure, but all money was created at some point, also, you assume that I agree with what people are paid for there jobs, which I do not.

2) seriously? your using a rare extreme here? I guess, but then i can just say this to you: it would be that rare and extreme for someone to abuse benefits too, so we should still have them because only a few will abuse the system that benefits the others.

50% of all divorces are due to arguments about money...So its not a rare case. Its actually quite common, in fact.

If you want to be one of those people that don't even agree with anyone being paid more for hard work, be my guest. I just wonder how much you'll change that in 10 years :-p



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NoddyHolder on 15 July 2010
mrstickball said:
NoddyHolder said:
mrstickball said:
NoddyHolder said:

technically, the money belongs to whoever made it. (robots I believe, they could be rich if they thougt like you guys, huh?)

Wrong. Money is made, or earned when an economic transaction occurs. If I do a job for someone, I may demand compensation. Currency is usually the preferred method.

if I was married and my wife asked for money that I had spare, she could have it. and yes, its not my place to judge how she spends it, if I did that, it would be hard to have a long relationship with anyone ;)

Unless she keeps taking your money and spending it frivolously. You'd be surprised how often divorces happen because one person cannot spend wisely, and leads the family into bankruptcy.




1) sure, but all money was created at some point, also, you assume that I agree with what people are paid for there jobs, which I do not.

2) seriously? your using a rare extreme here? I guess, but then i can just say this to you: it would be that rare and extreme for someone to abuse benefits too, so we should still have them because only a few will abuse the system that benefits the others.

50% of all divorces are due to arguments about money...So its not a rare case. Its actually quite common, in fact.

If you want to be one of those people that don't even agree with anyone being paid more for hard work, be my guest. I just wonder how much you'll change that in 10 years :-p

not what im saying actually, but good for you to resort to cheap insinuations.



mrstickball on 15 July 2010
NoddyHolder said:
mrstickball said:
NoddyHolder said:
mrstickball said:
NoddyHolder said:

technically, the money belongs to whoever made it. (robots I believe, they could be rich if they thougt like you guys, huh?)

Wrong. Money is made, or earned when an economic transaction occurs. If I do a job for someone, I may demand compensation. Currency is usually the preferred method.

if I was married and my wife asked for money that I had spare, she could have it. and yes, its not my place to judge how she spends it, if I did that, it would be hard to have a long relationship with anyone ;)

Unless she keeps taking your money and spending it frivolously. You'd be surprised how often divorces happen because one person cannot spend wisely, and leads the family into bankruptcy.




1) sure, but all money was created at some point, also, you assume that I agree with what people are paid for there jobs, which I do not.

2) seriously? your using a rare extreme here? I guess, but then i can just say this to you: it would be that rare and extreme for someone to abuse benefits too, so we should still have them because only a few will abuse the system that benefits the others.

50% of all divorces are due to arguments about money...So its not a rare case. Its actually quite common, in fact.

If you want to be one of those people that don't even agree with anyone being paid more for hard work, be my guest. I just wonder how much you'll change that in 10 years :-p

not what im saying actually, but good for you to resort to cheap insinuations.

You said that people spending unwisely was a rare extreme. I told you that not only was it not a rare extreme (it happens a lot), but money is a central subject in relationships and divorces...Hence why its important to reach proper agreements on its usage. Trust me, I've been in a relationship for 7 years. I know how money & women work :-p

I wasn't trying to insinuate anything, just point to the actual statistics to blow up your inexperienced statements.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 15 July 2010

The problem with America isn't because of redistribution of wealth (which I am sure NZ as liberal as it is aligns itself somewhat with). It's because of the rich taking a large massive portion of the pie, which causes the people rot with its core and the rotting continues to expand from within. As the value of the dollar drops due to oil companies, private banks and corporate lobbyists who will continue to keep the house and the senate as far as the people needs as possible, nothing will get easier. Our leaders over the past three decades have been hurting us and patching up the issue, then hurting us again. This is an issue which has been on the rise for years. If the American dollar falls, it will in some way find you....so by all means...run. There are too many countries that have a stake in American society.

 

P.S.

There is a problem with the people. The division is based on confusion and the people wouldn't be the wiser as to where the manipulation stems from.



NoddyHolder on 15 July 2010
mrstickball said:
NoddyHolder said:
mrstickball said:
NoddyHolder said:
mrstickball said:
NoddyHolder said:

technically, the money belongs to whoever made it. (robots I believe, they could be rich if they thougt like you guys, huh?)

Wrong. Money is made, or earned when an economic transaction occurs. If I do a job for someone, I may demand compensation. Currency is usually the preferred method.

if I was married and my wife asked for money that I had spare, she could have it. and yes, its not my place to judge how she spends it, if I did that, it would be hard to have a long relationship with anyone ;)

Unless she keeps taking your money and spending it frivolously. You'd be surprised how often divorces happen because one person cannot spend wisely, and leads the family into bankruptcy.




1) sure, but all money was created at some point, also, you assume that I agree with what people are paid for there jobs, which I do not.

2) seriously? your using a rare extreme here? I guess, but then i can just say this to you: it would be that rare and extreme for someone to abuse benefits too, so we should still have them because only a few will abuse the system that benefits the others.

50% of all divorces are due to arguments about money...So its not a rare case. Its actually quite common, in fact.

If you want to be one of those people that don't even agree with anyone being paid more for hard work, be my guest. I just wonder how much you'll change that in 10 years :-p

not what im saying actually, but good for you to resort to cheap insinuations.

You said that people spending unwisely was a rare extreme. I told you that not only was it not a rare extreme (it happens a lot), but money is a central subject in relationships and divorces...Hence why its important to reach proper agreements on its usage. Trust me, I've been in a relationship for 7 years. I know how money & women work :-p

I wasn't trying to insinuate anything, just point to the actual statistics to blow up your inexperienced statements.


oh good, so youre sexist too.

my point stands, just because you think its different to that based on your limited experiences, does not make it so.

my point about pay you also didnt understand...