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HappySqurriel said:
numonex said:

 

10% unemployment rate and it is going up. Republicans or Democrats can not change anything. De-Industrialisation and shipping off a lot of jobs overseas to make quick short term huge profits has been costly. American Corporatism is pure evil.

Why are Americans so against unions and workers rights protection legislation? In my view/opinion everyone should have a god given right to a job. We all know of the widespread problems of high unemployment and high homeless rates = high crime rates. 

Workers united we will never be defeated. Socialism = workers and people movement.

Europe has strong unions and higher minimum wage and higher taxes but at least it does not have the widespread rich-poor divide which plagues the US. Yes the US are super rich but there are a lot of super poor. 

1% of the US elite control and own 35% of the US wealth. 20% wealthy people in the US controls and owns 85% of the US wealth. The remaining 80% of the US have to live off the remaining 15% US wealth. 

This may sound like  good old class war rhetoric. 

First off, factor for age and you will see the "Class war" numbers as the manipulative garbage that they really are. People who are about to retire have built up massive wealth and have very high incomes while people who are starting out in their career have neither.

Beyond that, there is a very strong correlation between stronger union influence in a region and higher unemployment. If you look at automobile manufacturers you can see the reason for this being that all three unionized American automobile manufacturers were slowly being pushed out of business by their non-unionized competition; and if it wasn't for government interference there would only be 1 American automobile manufacturer left.

US Corporatism and endless  profits. High educated families are the rich class and they own and control everything in America. The age thing is a myth. Rich kids can becomes CEOs at age 18 due to nepotism. My daddy runs big company, junior becomes CEO. 

The poor people are left to work in factories as slaves and paid $3 per hour. No minimum wage in America. Corporations will pay workers low or no wages if they can get away with it. Lower wages = Higher corporate profits. Send all jobs to China where workers are paid $1 per hour = bigger profit margins. 

The Republicans who are from rich families love to sell the hard work and God philosophy to keep people in line. Only rich people make it in America.  Homeless or earning below the poverty line accounts for 20% of the whole US population = 50 million. 

Unions protect workers that is proven fact and they ensure the workers have jobs. The union workers are better off and there are more jobs. Weak Unions in the US. Workers have little or no rights. American Corporations exploit workers: low wages = higher profits. Foreign workers are brought in paid lower wages and take away local workers jobs. 



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TheRealMafoo said:

Well, it's been a few months since I posted. I took a trip to New Zealand looking for a new home. I found it just north of Wellington, along the cost.

45 minute electric train ride into town and on an amazing beach, not bad at all.

Anyway, for those that know me (or don't know me), the reason I am leaving the US, is it's broken and can't be fixed. I am a problem solver at heart. I worked in a think tank for the US military for 7 years, with the sole purpose of solving technical problems that the rest of the organization I worked for could not. So it's just something I naturally do.

About 3 years ago I started looking into the problem of the US decline. Trying to figure it out. I finally did. The real problem with America, is the mindset of the it's people. I asked this simple question on many forums, including this one:

If you could rate human quality of life on a scale of 1 to 100. 1 being the worst, and 100 being the best, would you rather live in a world where the best was 100, and the worst was 60, or the best was 45 and the worst was 40?

Shockingly, more people picked the second option. People care less about there absolute position in life, and care more about there relative postion compared to everyone else. This then justifies the redistribution of wealth, and the root of our problems. The wrong people are not in office. They are the people a majority want ruling, and are doing what a majority of the people want them to do.

All the polls showing unhappiness are more upset that these philosophies are not working. No one is upset that we steal from the rich. They are just upset with the results of such actions. When you steal from the rich, everyone losses. What's happening is exactly what I have predicted will happen (along with every other economic conservative). Next year, we are going to start stealing a lot more from the rich, and thus the consequences we see from those actions will continue to grow. We are heading into a deeper depression, and our leaders are sending us there. They are sending us there by doing what a majority of the voters want them to do. We are moving more from the first option of my question, to the second. We are doing so, because we are getting exactly what we as a people think we want.

 

To fix the problem of a failing US government, you first have to fix the mindset of the people electing our leaders. Sadly, this takes at least a generation of time to do, and I don't wish to wait that long. Plus, I don't think the US will survive that long, at least not as the US I grew up in. 

So, time for me to leave. New Zealand was everything I imagined and more. We are on a plan to move in the summer of 2011. First and formost, is we have to sell our house. Not the best time to be selling it, but we will do what we can.

Take care everyone :)


Steals from the rich? Every year, the rich get richer. So is your problem the rate at which they get richer? It should be faster? They should be allowed to be flush with cash, and not required to keep it invested?

Aside from which - are internet forums really where you think you'll get a fair assessment of the average citizen? Near as I can tell, you're targettin ga very specific demographic. a relatively small percentage of people actually visit and regularly post in forums, particularly people who respond to random questions like that one.

Aside from which, the question is a weird one - what determines "quality of life"? Everything is relative. Today we have 100x the technology and luxuries that people had 60 years ago, but in the US, the average quality of life was actually higher in the 50's. Your question seems to indicate a single, static standard, but the fact is, if everyone's quality of life were roughly equal, then everyone's quality of life is improved. The more people have, and the more people around them have, the more they want. When everyone's a 45, in essence everyone's a 100.

Fact is, from an absolute viewpoint, that's illogical, but that's how humans work. If noone has more than you, you're far likely to be content with what you have. It's possible these people were short-sighted and selfish with their response - but perhaps a few of them have more insight into human reasoning than you give them credit for?

(Actually, since it's an internet forum... unlikely)



Enjoy NZ I have a friend who lives there and he loves it.



numonex said:
HappySqurriel said:
numonex said:

 

10% unemployment rate and it is going up. Republicans or Democrats can not change anything. De-Industrialisation and shipping off a lot of jobs overseas to make quick short term huge profits has been costly. American Corporatism is pure evil.

Why are Americans so against unions and workers rights protection legislation? In my view/opinion everyone should have a god given right to a job. We all know of the widespread problems of high unemployment and high homeless rates = high crime rates. 

Workers united we will never be defeated. Socialism = workers and people movement.

Europe has strong unions and higher minimum wage and higher taxes but at least it does not have the widespread rich-poor divide which plagues the US. Yes the US are super rich but there are a lot of super poor. 

1% of the US elite control and own 35% of the US wealth. 20% wealthy people in the US controls and owns 85% of the US wealth. The remaining 80% of the US have to live off the remaining 15% US wealth. 

This may sound like  good old class war rhetoric. 

First off, factor for age and you will see the "Class war" numbers as the manipulative garbage that they really are. People who are about to retire have built up massive wealth and have very high incomes while people who are starting out in their career have neither.

Beyond that, there is a very strong correlation between stronger union influence in a region and higher unemployment. If you look at automobile manufacturers you can see the reason for this being that all three unionized American automobile manufacturers were slowly being pushed out of business by their non-unionized competition; and if it wasn't for government interference there would only be 1 American automobile manufacturer left.

US Corporatism and endless  profits. High educated families are the rich class and they own and control everything in America. The age thing is a myth. Rich kids can becomes CEOs at age 18 due to nepotism. My daddy runs big company, junior becomes CEO. 

The poor people are left to work in factories as slaves and paid $3 per hour. No minimum wage in America. Corporations will pay workers low or no wages if they can get away with it. Lower wages = Higher corporate profits. Send all jobs to China where workers are paid $1 per hour = bigger profit margins. 

The Republicans who are from rich families love to sell the hard work and God philosophy to keep people in line. Only rich people make it in America.  Homeless or earning below the poverty line accounts for 20% of the whole US population = 50 million. 

Unions protect workers that is proven fact and they ensure the workers have jobs. The union workers are better off and there are more jobs. Weak Unions in the US. Workers have little or no rights. American Corporations exploit workers: low wages = higher profits. Foreign workers are brought in paid lower wages and take away local workers jobs. 

I find your definition of myth somewhat interesting because my definition of myth doesn't include widely studied well understood principles with supporting evidence. You follow that up by stating that 18 year olds can become CEOs of large corporations their parents run, outside of hollywood movies can you name an instance of that ever happening? Can you name a single CEO of a major corporation who is under 30? Can you name 10 CEOs of major corporations who are under 45?

Over 99% of all corporations in the United States (and most western economies) are small businesses, these firms employ over 50% of all employees, they're responsible for the vast majority of job creation and economic activity. When you take away the portion of the economy that is made up by government (roughly 40% in the USA today) it should become clear that large corporations make up a very small portion of the economy today, when you look at their balance sheets they do not have remarkably large profits, and their profits go to growing the company or paying out dividends which fuel the investments of average individuals.

 

Every time I have this conversation with people I wonder why so many people think we still live in the 1800s. There are very few private family owned and controlled large corporations in the world any more; and these "unreasonable" profits mostly end up benefiting average individuals through personal investments or pension plans.




Also part of the reason why America may not like unions is because in a way unions crippled America. The main reason for the bailout of the big three car companies isn't because their cars were a bit shit and not right for the market (though that is a reason) but because they had absurd obligations to former employees that crippled them financially.



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HappySqurriel said:
Can you name a single CEO of a major corporation who is under 30? Can you name 10 CEOs of major corporations who are under 45?

 


http://www.justsharethis.com/top-10-most-powerful-young-ceos-in-america/

10 under 40 :P

And there are also founders who are under 45 that aren't CEO's however they FOUNDED the company, the two co-founders of google come to mind, also the four from facebook, the three from twitter...

Pretty much any semi-successful 'internet' type startup you will find these younger people as CEO's/owners, etc



Unicorns ARE real - They are just fat, grey and called Rhinos

Tanstalas said:
HappySqurriel said:
Can you name a single CEO of a major corporation who is under 30? Can you name 10 CEOs of major corporations who are under 45?

 


http://www.justsharethis.com/top-10-most-powerful-young-ceos-in-america/

10 under 40 :P

And there are also founders who are under 45 that aren't CEO's however they FOUNDED the company, the two co-founders of google come to mind, also the four from facebook, the three from twitter...

Pretty much any semi-successful 'internet' type startup you will find these younger people as CEO's/owners, etc


Oh, and Google is awesome, youngest CEO in the world at 14.. though this was a few years ago, maybe there is a younger one now...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suhas_Gopinath



Unicorns ARE real - They are just fat, grey and called Rhinos

TheRealMafoo said:

About 3 years ago I started looking into the problem of the US decline. Trying to figure it out. I finally did. The real problem with America, is the mindset of the it's people. I asked this simple question on many forums, including this one:

If you could rate human quality of life on a scale of 1 to 100. 1 being the worst, and 100 being the best, would you rather live in a world where the best was 100, and the worst was 60, or the best was 45 and the worst was 40?

Shockingly, more people picked the second option.

Take care everyone :)

#1 to do a poll on the US you ask internet forums, including a UK based forum with a very wide international population.... ermm ok

#2 Either that is not the exact question you asked or there was some reason for which people made a joke answer or people are just plain stupid (this is the internet after all).... it's morronic to choose B when the best of B is lower than the worst of A... well not morronic, worse, retarded.

#3 you leave in one year and you already say goodbye? isn't that a bit premature (especially since there are plenty of ausies and NZies on the site...

#4 i'd try the NZ adventure too...if I didn't have familly and career perspectives that I value a lot... maybe for retirement? :p



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Hephaestos said:
TheRealMafoo said:

About 3 years ago I started looking into the problem of the US decline. Trying to figure it out. I finally did. The real problem with America, is the mindset of the it's people. I asked this simple question on many forums, including this one:

If you could rate human quality of life on a scale of 1 to 100. 1 being the worst, and 100 being the best, would you rather live in a world where the best was 100, and the worst was 60, or the best was 45 and the worst was 40?

Shockingly, more people picked the second option.

Take care everyone :)

#1 to do a poll on the US you ask internet forums, including a UK based forum with a very wide international population.... ermm ok

#2 Either that is not the exact question you asked or there was some reason for which people made a joke answer or people are just plain stupid (this is the internet after all).... it's morronic to choose B when the best of B is lower than the worst of A... well not morronic, worse, retarded.

#3 you leave in one year and you already say goodbye? isn't that a bit premature (especially since there are plenty of ausies and NZies on the site...

#4 i'd try the NZ adventure too...if I didn't have familly and career perspectives that I value a lot... maybe for retirement? :p

There are valid reasons for chosing B, though I personally wouldn't. Basically the argument can be made that peoples happiness due to quality of life depends not on absolute quality of life but on relative quality. It's not retarded to choose it.



Tanstalas said:
Tanstalas said:
HappySqurriel said:
Can you name a single CEO of a major corporation who is under 30? Can you name 10 CEOs of major corporations who are under 45?

 


http://www.justsharethis.com/top-10-most-powerful-young-ceos-in-america/

10 under 40 :P

And there are also founders who are under 45 that aren't CEO's however they FOUNDED the company, the two co-founders of google come to mind, also the four from facebook, the three from twitter...

Pretty much any semi-successful 'internet' type startup you will find these younger people as CEO's/owners, etc


Oh, and Google is awesome, youngest CEO in the world at 14.. though this was a few years ago, maybe there is a younger one now...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suhas_Gopinath

I wasn't doubting that there were young CEOs, I should have probably included "that did not create the company themself" to the question