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pizzahut451 on 30 July 2010
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
Rath said:
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So its the religion's fault that some people are filled with hatered and use religion and God as an excuse to harm other people?? What religious book is teaching that??? Almost all religious books (christain, jewish) have the same message of peace and love, its just that some people ignore that and choose to look at the fundmentalists and nut jobs that use religion as an excuse and then by some miracle think that all religious people are like that. And im sorry for all those gay people that got killed but i know for sure that God desnt hate them and that religion didnt killed them, but people.

Have you read the old testament?!?

That God is all for smiting. Stoning is generally his preferred punishment. Adultery? Stone 'em. Disobedient children? Stone 'em. Homosexuality? Stone 'em.

 

This book is what is generally used to justify discrimination against homosexuality in all of the Abrahamic religions - including Christainity and Judaism.


Old Testament was before Jesus came to earth to set things straight...i dont need to say anything else. New Testament is much more important, since why its called ''New'', because of the new moral teachings that are are still ''vaild'' today (until we get Newer Testament) That doesnt mean that Old Testament is completly irrelevant of course.

And those people who got killed under God's command deserved their faith (Soddom and Gommorah, for example).

Did they really deserve to die?

Did Onan deserve to die because he didn't like serial monogamy?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan

Serial monogamy means marrying your brother's widow. Any child you have with your brother's widow is considered a child of your deceased brother. Onan refused to have children that would not be considered his own. That was no reason to be killed.

"no, they didnt. Sodom and Gommorah did. If you cant find a diffrence between gettining killed becuase you're a woman who mixes plants to cure people and getting killed for sodomy, lust and slavery than i suggest you shouldnt become a judge in the court of law"

This reply wasn't directed at me, but I personally don't find  "sodomy" and "lust" justifiable reasons to kill anyone. Hope I never meet a judge that thinks like you.

in my opinion, Lust and Sodomy arent justifiable reasons to kill anyone, but city where  rape, slavery,selling people like they are merchandise, lust and sodomy are allowed should definitely be destoyed



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Armads on 30 July 2010
pizzahut451 said:
Rath said:
pizzahut451 said:
Rath said:
pizzahut451 said:
 

So its the religion's fault that some people are filled with hatered and use religion and God as an excuse to harm other people?? What religious book is teaching that??? Almost all religious books (christain, jewish) have the same message of peace and love, its just that some people ignore that and choose to look at the fundmentalists and nut jobs that use religion as an excuse and then by some miracle think that all religious people are like that. And im sorry for all those gay people that got killed but i know for sure that God desnt hate them and that religion didnt killed them, but people.

Have you read the old testament?!?

That God is all for smiting. Stoning is generally his preferred punishment. Adultery? Stone 'em. Disobedient children? Stone 'em. Homosexuality? Stone 'em.

 

This book is what is generally used to justify discrimination against homosexuality in all of the Abrahamic religions - including Christainity and Judaism.


Old Testament was before Jesus came to earth to set things straight...i dont need to say anything else. New Testament is much more important, since why its called ''New'', because of the new moral teachings that are are still ''vaild'' today (until we get Newer Testament) That doesnt mean that Old Testament is completly irrelevant of course.

And those people who got killed under God's command deserved their faith (Soddom and Gommorah, for example).

You did mention Judaism in your post though who still follow the old testament. In general though the Jews are clever enough not to actually follow the Torah literally because it's a bit brutal.

Also by the old testament not being completely invalid, does that mean you get to pick and chose which parts you obey? That seems to be what many Christians do these days (shellfish are fine, homosexuals are not - despite both being condemned in the same book).

i dont know lot about Judaisam, since im not a Jew, im talking mostly about christianity.

And no, i didnt mean that. I said that moral teachings from Old Testament are not always right, because they were made before Jesus came to Earth to set things straight and teach about NEW moral laws.


So God just effed up the first time?  Because the Old testament was written by god too as it claims.



sapphi_snake on 30 July 2010
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
Rath said:
pizzahut451 said:
 

So its the religion's fault that some people are filled with hatered and use religion and God as an excuse to harm other people?? What religious book is teaching that??? Almost all religious books (christain, jewish) have the same message of peace and love, its just that some people ignore that and choose to look at the fundmentalists and nut jobs that use religion as an excuse and then by some miracle think that all religious people are like that. And im sorry for all those gay people that got killed but i know for sure that God desnt hate them and that religion didnt killed them, but people.

Have you read the old testament?!?

That God is all for smiting. Stoning is generally his preferred punishment. Adultery? Stone 'em. Disobedient children? Stone 'em. Homosexuality? Stone 'em.

 

This book is what is generally used to justify discrimination against homosexuality in all of the Abrahamic religions - including Christainity and Judaism.


Old Testament was before Jesus came to earth to set things straight...i dont need to say anything else. New Testament is much more important, since why its called ''New'', because of the new moral teachings that are are still ''vaild'' today (until we get Newer Testament) That doesnt mean that Old Testament is completly irrelevant of course.

And those people who got killed under God's command deserved their faith (Soddom and Gommorah, for example).

Did they really deserve to die?

Did Onan deserve to die because he didn't like serial monogamy?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan

Serial monogamy means marrying your brother's widow. Any child you have with your brother's widow is considered a child of your deceased brother. Onan refused to have children that would not be considered his own. That was no reason to be killed.

"no, they didnt. Sodom and Gommorah did. If you cant find a diffrence between gettining killed becuase you're a woman who mixes plants to cure people and getting killed for sodomy, lust and slavery than i suggest you shouldnt become a judge in the court of law"

This reply wasn't directed at me, but I personally don't find  "sodomy" and "lust" justifiable reasons to kill anyone. Hope I never meet a judge that thinks like you.

in my opinion, Lust and Sodomy arent justifiable reasons to kill anyone, but city where  rape, slavery,selling people like they are merchandise, lust and sodomy are allowed should definitely be destoyed

So you do believe that "lust" and "sodomy" are legitimate reasons to kill anyone?

Haven't you ever lusted after anybody? Haven't you ever had anal sex? If the answer to one or both those questions is "yes", than please sir behave according to you beleifs and punish yourself appropriately.



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strunge on 30 July 2010
Scruff7 said:
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atheism is fine, the ignorance of this thread is what is astounding.  if you believ in religion and God, you inherently can't find aethism valid.  nothing confusing about that. thus, the issue is clearly ignorance of what religion is at the heart of this thread. 

that's why aethists are so great, no matter how eloquent they can communicate, ultimately their position is based on ignorance, self righteousness and hypocrisy.

religion is fine, the ignorance of this thread is what is astounding.  if you believe in evolution and empirical evidence for existence, you inherently can't find religion valid.  nothing confusing about that. thus, the issue is clearly ignorance of what atheism is at the heart of this thread. 

that's why religious fundamentalists are so great, no matter how dogmatically they argue, ultimately their position is based on ignorance, self righteousness and hypocrisy.

 

See what i did there?

yes, and it is very sad that you think you have made some logical argument against my post. religion isn't based on ignorance, self righteousness of hypocrisy, it is based on faith.  Aetheists attempt to dispute the idea of depending on faith but inherently are depending on faith as well, because there is no scientific eveidence to validate their position as well.  see the hypocrisy of that position?  of course not, or you wouldn't have attempted that silly word shuffle.see the ignorance of that position?  of course not, for the same reaosn.  self righteousness?  of course you don't.

How sad.



richardhutnik on 30 July 2010
oldschoolfool said:

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/08/26/polls-show-atheists/  ------ link. This is a little article simply saying that atheists are on the rise in America. It basically saids there growing bye leaps and bounds and 15% see them self's as atheist. So what do you think about this. Like are not this vocal minority group is growing bye leaps and bounds. I consider myself  the non-religious type. I don't think athesist deserve the push-back they get from christian groups,simply because of the way the see the world. What makes christianity any more valid than what the atheist believe's. I can't stand it when some religious person tries to force there view's on you. I think the bible is nothing but a morality book,trying to tell you how you should act. I'm not going to try to force this view on some christian person,so why do they feel the need to force there view's on me. I live in Oklahoma,which is often called the bible belt,so please understand my rant. What makes atheists any less valid,then any other group?

How is a belief there is no God/gods a basis for anyone that is a group?  That is a negative.  It doesn't answer anything at all.  Now, you want to declare yourself a Humanist or a secular materialist, and form a group around that, then you are onto something.  But, as it is, atheism isn't anything.  What it is, is a lack of something.



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lestatdark on 30 July 2010
pizzahut451 said:
lestatdark said:
pizzahut451 said:
Rath said:
pizzahut451 said:
 

So its the religion's fault that some people are filled with hatered and use religion and God as an excuse to harm other people?? What religious book is teaching that??? Almost all religious books (christain, jewish) have the same message of peace and love, its just that some people ignore that and choose to look at the fundmentalists and nut jobs that use religion as an excuse and then by some miracle think that all religious people are like that. And im sorry for all those gay people that got killed but i know for sure that God desnt hate them and that religion didnt killed them, but people.

Have you read the old testament?!?

That God is all for smiting. Stoning is generally his preferred punishment. Adultery? Stone 'em. Disobedient children? Stone 'em. Homosexuality? Stone 'em.

 

This book is what is generally used to justify discrimination against homosexuality in all of the Abrahamic religions - including Christainity and Judaism.


Old Testament was before Jesus came to earth to set things straight...i dont need to say anything else. And those people who got killed under God's command deserved their faith (Soddom and Gommorah, for example).

So, did the hundreds of thousand of people murdered in Europe during the Inquisition days, deserve that fate as well? The Malleus Maleficarum word was held as true as the bible's word in those days. 

Every religion has it's pros and cons. Unfortunately, some of the cons of certain religions are way too inhumane to just ignore.

no, they didnt. Sodom and Gommorah did. If you cant find a diffrence between gettining killed becuase you're a woman who mixes plants to cure people and getting killed for sodomy, lust and slavery than i suggest you shouldnt become a judge in the court of law :P

No religious motive should ever be used to justify the slaying of anyone, that's ridiculous and pure fanaticism. And in the inquisition it was much more than just women who mixed plants who got murdered and innocently accused. You'd do well to read up on a non-church view of the inquisition.

For a supposed religion of peace and love, there has been far to many stains in the cloth of Christianity, both in the old testament and post-Jesus. 

 



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primogen18 on 30 July 2010

Im atheist, and most poeple I am friends with are atheists. I personally believe religion is probably the largest setback our society has. To me that is sad, but whatever. There are some crazy religious people out there who devote their entire lives to showing how insecure they are. If you are honestly secure with yourself and beliefs, you do not devote your time doing things such as protesting how OTHERS live their lives, or go door to door trying "spread the word". You sit back and live your own life, being satisfied or "fulfilled" with that.

You should not be worried about any outside "forces" or whatever influencing you. If you honestly say you cannot live in a world with ______ people, or _______ people, or people who believe _______, or you cannot tolerate _______,  then it means you are afraid of them somehow influencing you, and you are insecure.

When you are driving down a highway and see a billboard with a heart monitor line and "when you die, you will meet god", you just have to chuckle. I do because it is pathetic as an obvious attempt to "scare" you into religion, it shows how scared religious people CAN be.

I have had a sign on my door asking "no soliciting of any kind", and have had 3 people already trying to share the bible with me. The first 2 got a "sorry, I am not interested, but thank you". The 3rd got me in my tight boxers fingering my nipples. I haven't had one since.



Nintari on 30 July 2010

ANY group who thinks they have the answers, then goes on to tell the other side they're idiots are, in fact...the TRUE idiots and need to shut the hell up. No one knows what happens when we die, so no one should act as if they do. Everyone should leave everyone alone and let them believe what they want.

 

Period.



Scruff7 on 30 July 2010
strunge said:
Scruff7 said:
strunge said:

atheism is fine, the ignorance of this thread is what is astounding.  if you believ in religion and God, you inherently can't find aethism valid.  nothing confusing about that. thus, the issue is clearly ignorance of what religion is at the heart of this thread. 

that's why aethists are so great, no matter how eloquent they can communicate, ultimately their position is based on ignorance, self righteousness and hypocrisy.

religion is fine, the ignorance of this thread is what is astounding.  if you believe in evolution and empirical evidence for existence, you inherently can't find religion valid.  nothing confusing about that. thus, the issue is clearly ignorance of what atheism is at the heart of this thread. 

that's why religious fundamentalists are so great, no matter how dogmatically they argue, ultimately their position is based on ignorance, self righteousness and hypocrisy.

 

See what i did there?

yes, and it is very sad that you think you have made some logical argument against my post. religion isn't based on ignorance, self righteousness of hypocrisy, it is based on faith.  Aetheists attempt to dispute the idea of depending on faith but inherently are depending on faith as well, because there is no scientific eveidence to validate their position as well.  see the hypocrisy of that position?  of course not, or you wouldn't have attempted that silly word shuffle.see the ignorance of that position?  of course not, for the same reaosn.  self righteousness?  of course you don't.

How sad.

This is where your hypocrisy and ignorance shine through.

You accept there is no scientific evidence for religion, but you seem to assume that there is no scientific evidence to atheism.

It is true, atheists do have faith, when taken in the context of a trust in a idea or person. Atheists have faith in what can be proven, or strongly hypothesised through evidential research, empirical, scientific evidence. Atheists use that to build an understanding of the world, always seeking to find out more, and learn more. Most post-modernist atheists also believe that the human race will never fully understand everything, that maybe we won't be able to find a reason why anything exists at all, but we can research, expand our knowledge and try to find out.

Science represents the antithesis of ignorance as personified by religion. For millennia religions of the world have encouraged ignorance and suppressed scientific endeavour on the grounds of faith, claiming that it is written in a book that they believe is the word of God and therefore should not be questioned; that the Earth circled the Sun; that there is a heaven and a hell; that god created everything 3,000 years ago and that by trusting in a 'deity' you can be saved.

The world is not 3,000 years old, it is millions of years old, dinosaurs did exist and evolution occurred and continues to occur. Some of this can be proven through empirical evidence and some can be strongly theorised to beyond reasonable doubt through research. To deny this is ignorance.

If you want to talk about real ignorance and hypocrisy, try researching the origins of the gospels of the New Testament, and know that the first drafts of the gospels weren't written until 3 generations after the death of Christ, that the Bible is a heavily edited doctrine by the Roman Emperors Constantine and Theodosius, combined with existing Roman and Pagan beliefs and overseen by Roman emperors to control their populations. Even the crucifix was selected as a symbol of the religion as a half mocking gesture to the method of torture used to kill their deity (the original symbols of Christianity are the Icthus and cartwheel)

Therefore even the doctrine used to suppress scientific endeavour is itself, an innaccurate account of Jesus Christ's life and teachings.



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Nintari on 30 July 2010

See...look at you. You think you have the answers while the other side doesn't. No one has the answers. And so, what we should all do is shut the hell up and let everyone live their lives in whatever way makes he/she happiest. If believing in God makes you happy and it's what you want to do with your life, good. If not believing in God makes you happy and makes sense to you, good. But both sides need to leave it at that and stop being douche bags because if you try, you BOTH look like idiots.

 

I mean, it's like arguing over who would win in a fight...Superman or Spiderman.