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lestatdark on 30 July 2010
pizzahut451 said:
Rath said:
pizzahut451 said:
 

So its the religion's fault that some people are filled with hatered and use religion and God as an excuse to harm other people?? What religious book is teaching that??? Almost all religious books (christain, jewish) have the same message of peace and love, its just that some people ignore that and choose to look at the fundmentalists and nut jobs that use religion as an excuse and then by some miracle think that all religious people are like that. And im sorry for all those gay people that got killed but i know for sure that God desnt hate them and that religion didnt killed them, but people.

Have you read the old testament?!?

That God is all for smiting. Stoning is generally his preferred punishment. Adultery? Stone 'em. Disobedient children? Stone 'em. Homosexuality? Stone 'em.

 

This book is what is generally used to justify discrimination against homosexuality in all of the Abrahamic religions - including Christainity and Judaism.


Old Testament was before Jesus came to earth to set things straight...i dont need to say anything else. And those people who got killed under God's command deserved their faith (Soddom and Gommorah, for example).

So, did the hundreds of thousand of people murdered in Europe during the Inquisition days, deserve that fate as well? The Malleus Maleficarum word was held as true as the bible's word in those days. 

Every religion has it's pros and cons. Unfortunately, some of the cons of certain religions are way too inhumane to just ignore.



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sapphi_snake on 30 July 2010
pizzahut451 said:
Rath said:
pizzahut451 said:
 

So its the religion's fault that some people are filled with hatered and use religion and God as an excuse to harm other people?? What religious book is teaching that??? Almost all religious books (christain, jewish) have the same message of peace and love, its just that some people ignore that and choose to look at the fundmentalists and nut jobs that use religion as an excuse and then by some miracle think that all religious people are like that. And im sorry for all those gay people that got killed but i know for sure that God desnt hate them and that religion didnt killed them, but people.

Have you read the old testament?!?

That God is all for smiting. Stoning is generally his preferred punishment. Adultery? Stone 'em. Disobedient children? Stone 'em. Homosexuality? Stone 'em.

 

This book is what is generally used to justify discrimination against homosexuality in all of the Abrahamic religions - including Christainity and Judaism.


Old Testament was before Jesus came to earth to set things straight...i dont need to say anything else. New Testament is much more important, since why its called ''New'', because of the new moral teachings that are are still ''vaild'' today (until we get Newer Testament) That doesnt mean that Old Testament is completly irrelevant of course.

And those people who got killed under God's command deserved their faith (Soddom and Gommorah, for example).

Did they really deserve to die?

Did Onan deserve to die because he didn't like serial monogamy?



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pizzahut451 on 30 July 2010
lestatdark said:
pizzahut451 said:
Rath said:
pizzahut451 said:
 

So its the religion's fault that some people are filled with hatered and use religion and God as an excuse to harm other people?? What religious book is teaching that??? Almost all religious books (christain, jewish) have the same message of peace and love, its just that some people ignore that and choose to look at the fundmentalists and nut jobs that use religion as an excuse and then by some miracle think that all religious people are like that. And im sorry for all those gay people that got killed but i know for sure that God desnt hate them and that religion didnt killed them, but people.

Have you read the old testament?!?

That God is all for smiting. Stoning is generally his preferred punishment. Adultery? Stone 'em. Disobedient children? Stone 'em. Homosexuality? Stone 'em.

 

This book is what is generally used to justify discrimination against homosexuality in all of the Abrahamic religions - including Christainity and Judaism.


Old Testament was before Jesus came to earth to set things straight...i dont need to say anything else. And those people who got killed under God's command deserved their faith (Soddom and Gommorah, for example).

So, did the hundreds of thousand of people murdered in Europe during the Inquisition days, deserve that fate as well? The Malleus Maleficarum word was held as true as the bible's word in those days. 

Every religion has it's pros and cons. Unfortunately, some of the cons of certain religions are way too inhumane to just ignore.

no, they didnt. Sodom and Gommorah did. If you cant find a diffrence between gettining killed becuase you're a woman who mixes plants to cure people and getting killed for sodomy, lust and slavery than i suggest you shouldnt become a judge in the court of law :P



pizzahut451 on 30 July 2010
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
Rath said:
pizzahut451 said:
 

So its the religion's fault that some people are filled with hatered and use religion and God as an excuse to harm other people?? What religious book is teaching that??? Almost all religious books (christain, jewish) have the same message of peace and love, its just that some people ignore that and choose to look at the fundmentalists and nut jobs that use religion as an excuse and then by some miracle think that all religious people are like that. And im sorry for all those gay people that got killed but i know for sure that God desnt hate them and that religion didnt killed them, but people.

Have you read the old testament?!?

That God is all for smiting. Stoning is generally his preferred punishment. Adultery? Stone 'em. Disobedient children? Stone 'em. Homosexuality? Stone 'em.

 

This book is what is generally used to justify discrimination against homosexuality in all of the Abrahamic religions - including Christainity and Judaism.


Old Testament was before Jesus came to earth to set things straight...i dont need to say anything else. New Testament is much more important, since why its called ''New'', because of the new moral teachings that are are still ''vaild'' today (until we get Newer Testament) That doesnt mean that Old Testament is completly irrelevant of course.

And those people who got killed under God's command deserved their faith (Soddom and Gommorah, for example).

Did they really deserve to die?

Did Onan deserve to die because he didn't like serial monogamy?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan



Badassbab on 30 July 2010

I'm glad to hear it. The US is full of crazy religious bigots who are looking forward to Armageddon.






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Rath on 30 July 2010
pizzahut451 said:
Rath said:
pizzahut451 said:
 

So its the religion's fault that some people are filled with hatered and use religion and God as an excuse to harm other people?? What religious book is teaching that??? Almost all religious books (christain, jewish) have the same message of peace and love, its just that some people ignore that and choose to look at the fundmentalists and nut jobs that use religion as an excuse and then by some miracle think that all religious people are like that. And im sorry for all those gay people that got killed but i know for sure that God desnt hate them and that religion didnt killed them, but people.

Have you read the old testament?!?

That God is all for smiting. Stoning is generally his preferred punishment. Adultery? Stone 'em. Disobedient children? Stone 'em. Homosexuality? Stone 'em.

 

This book is what is generally used to justify discrimination against homosexuality in all of the Abrahamic religions - including Christainity and Judaism.


Old Testament was before Jesus came to earth to set things straight...i dont need to say anything else. New Testament is much more important, since why its called ''New'', because of the new moral teachings that are are still ''vaild'' today (until we get Newer Testament) That doesnt mean that Old Testament is completly irrelevant of course.

And those people who got killed under God's command deserved their faith (Soddom and Gommorah, for example).

You did mention Judaism in your post though who still follow the old testament. In general though the Jews are clever enough not to actually follow the Torah literally because it's a bit brutal.

Also by the old testament not being completely invalid, does that mean you get to pick and chose which parts you obey? That seems to be what many Christians do these days (shellfish are fine, homosexuals are not - despite both being condemned in the same book).



sapphi_snake on 30 July 2010
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
Rath said:
pizzahut451 said:
 

So its the religion's fault that some people are filled with hatered and use religion and God as an excuse to harm other people?? What religious book is teaching that??? Almost all religious books (christain, jewish) have the same message of peace and love, its just that some people ignore that and choose to look at the fundmentalists and nut jobs that use religion as an excuse and then by some miracle think that all religious people are like that. And im sorry for all those gay people that got killed but i know for sure that God desnt hate them and that religion didnt killed them, but people.

Have you read the old testament?!?

That God is all for smiting. Stoning is generally his preferred punishment. Adultery? Stone 'em. Disobedient children? Stone 'em. Homosexuality? Stone 'em.

 

This book is what is generally used to justify discrimination against homosexuality in all of the Abrahamic religions - including Christainity and Judaism.


Old Testament was before Jesus came to earth to set things straight...i dont need to say anything else. New Testament is much more important, since why its called ''New'', because of the new moral teachings that are are still ''vaild'' today (until we get Newer Testament) That doesnt mean that Old Testament is completly irrelevant of course.

And those people who got killed under God's command deserved their faith (Soddom and Gommorah, for example).

Did they really deserve to die?

Did Onan deserve to die because he didn't like serial monogamy?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan

Serial monogamy means marrying your brother's widow. Any child you have with your brother's widow is considered a child of your deceased brother. Onan refused to have children that would not be considered his own. That was no reason to be killed.

"no, they didnt. Sodom and Gommorah did. If you cant find a diffrence between gettining killed becuase you're a woman who mixes plants to cure people and getting killed for sodomy, lust and slavery than i suggest you shouldnt become a judge in the court of law"

This reply wasn't directed at me, but I personally don't find  "sodomy" and "lust" justifiable reasons to kill anyone. Hope I never meet a judge that thinks like you.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

iKANNIBAL on 30 July 2010

Not surprising, Church attendance goes down each year, Christianity in the states will be the minority in the future.



chocoloco on 30 July 2010
iKANNIBAL said:

Not surprising, Church attendance goes down each year, Christianity in the states will be the minority in the future.


We can only hope, in fact most of the people I know who are Christians don't attend church and are just Christians by name alone. Also the ones that do are so self rightous. When you Christians say "I actually have morals" the are being so vain. which is just pride one of the seven deadly sins.



pizzahut451 on 30 July 2010
Rath said:
pizzahut451 said:
Rath said:
pizzahut451 said:
 

So its the religion's fault that some people are filled with hatered and use religion and God as an excuse to harm other people?? What religious book is teaching that??? Almost all religious books (christain, jewish) have the same message of peace and love, its just that some people ignore that and choose to look at the fundmentalists and nut jobs that use religion as an excuse and then by some miracle think that all religious people are like that. And im sorry for all those gay people that got killed but i know for sure that God desnt hate them and that religion didnt killed them, but people.

Have you read the old testament?!?

That God is all for smiting. Stoning is generally his preferred punishment. Adultery? Stone 'em. Disobedient children? Stone 'em. Homosexuality? Stone 'em.

 

This book is what is generally used to justify discrimination against homosexuality in all of the Abrahamic religions - including Christainity and Judaism.


Old Testament was before Jesus came to earth to set things straight...i dont need to say anything else. New Testament is much more important, since why its called ''New'', because of the new moral teachings that are are still ''vaild'' today (until we get Newer Testament) That doesnt mean that Old Testament is completly irrelevant of course.

And those people who got killed under God's command deserved their faith (Soddom and Gommorah, for example).

You did mention Judaism in your post though who still follow the old testament. In general though the Jews are clever enough not to actually follow the Torah literally because it's a bit brutal.

Also by the old testament not being completely invalid, does that mean you get to pick and chose which parts you obey? That seems to be what many Christians do these days (shellfish are fine, homosexuals are not - despite both being condemned in the same book).

i dont know lot about Judaisam, since im not a Jew, im talking mostly about christianity.

And no, i didnt mean that. I said that moral teachings from Old Testament are not always right, because they were made before Jesus came to Earth to set things straight and teach about NEW moral laws.