Comparison between Halo Reach, Modern Warfare 2 and Black Ops (X360 only!).

This is Americas preorder charts.

If we analyze the numbers, we see Halo 1-3 as well as ODST has Americas sales accounting for 72-80% of its total sales.

For GT we see americas sales for GT-GT4 plus prologue has between 20-30% sans GT3 A-spec which launched with a bundle in 2001.

WW id say theyre a good comparison, but honestly comparing preorders for a racing simulator on PS3 against Halo in America as some type of benchmark is the defination of lame, imo.

Told you Reach would pick up, it'll do around MW2 numbers!

but it won't have the same legs...probably....

Check the article by TheSource about MW2 vs Halo 3 sales. If Reach can outsell MW2 (360 only), I'll eat my own dick.

Either way, its gonna be massive and will skyrocket to the top (as in #1 position) of the Yearly charts on release week. 

Sorry mate but i couldn't disagree with you more. You can't say "oh you can't compare a fps game with a racing game" as that is just looking for excuses. Both Halo and GT are massive franchises ALL OVER THE WORLD! I am sick to death of this whole Halo only sells in US, GT only sells in europe thing as it is total bollocks.

You are right about this.

Halo sells OMFGWTFBBQ levels in America, and sells big in Europe.

GT sells OMFGWTFBBQ levels in Europe, and sells big in America.

OMFGWTFBBQ >>>>> Big

Right now if we use only Vgc figures on this website Halo 3 is the top selling exclusive game in europe. 2nd overall in all games this gen. If being 2nd doesn't show people outside europe like Halo then wtf does?!

Top selling "HD" exclusive. That WILL change once GT5 hits obviously. Its the 2nd best selling 360 game in Europe....not 2nd overall in all games. Halo 3 had a few bundles throughout the years too.

The exact same thing goes for the GT series. GT3 sold over 7m units in US. Only a few hundred thousand short of selling more then the top selling Halo game there. GT games have sold nearly 20m units total in US. Again if that doesn't show people are interested in GT games then wtf does?!

GT3 was heavily bundled with the PS2 in America. Its proved by the drop off of 5 million from GT3 to GT4 in the region. GT4 sold 2 million plus "only".

Halo is definitely more popular as of now, because of the rise of the FPS as a genre and the decline of the racing genre this gen.

You can't chop and change your view each week to make something sound better or worse. Both Halo and GT can be comparable as they both sell shead loads of games all across the world. They are both AAA titles. They will both sell millions in every region including Europe and US.

They are pretty similar in sales worldwide, but when its broken down into America and Europe, things change.

But fine, let's look at it your way. Let's forget about Halo. Ignore it, imagine it doesn't exist. How is Gt5 pre-orders holding up against other games at the same time in the cycle? After all that is what your saying right, Halo is huge in US so is unfair to compare it to that?

Splinter Cell Conviction at it's 17th week - 100k pre-orders

God of War 3 at it's 17th week - 200k pre-orders

Mag at it's 14th week - 90k

Different games show different pre-order patterns. GT5 is probably the type of game that most people DON'T pre-order about 4-5 months before release.

Obviously all the Pre-order data is not there but there are loads of games you can compare it to. Some it is doing better then and some it is doing worse.

The point is we have a list of pre-orders from all games from all genres over a year ago. And those tracking around the 80k mark with 17 weeks to go until release few have gone on to sell 1m in their 1st week in US.

To give some examples of that.

Mass Effect 2, Final Fantasy 13, God of War 3, Red Dead Redemption. Battlefield 2, Bioshock 2 etc etc.

Loads of games with higher pre-orders failed to make 1m units sold in it's first week in US. You can't use the "but it is a racing game" defence on it as the list above shows gun games,rpg games, high profile gun games that have received great reviews I.E ME2 and RDR which you claim is more popular there failed to break that barrier.

Think of it this way....

GT5 pre-orders increase by an average of 8k for the next 4 weeks. That'll make the total pre-orders 128k 13 weeks from release.

In the next 4 weeks, it'll average 15k a week, bringing the total to 188k just 9 weeks from release.

With increased marketing and hype, GT5 will see average pre-orders of 25k a week for the next 4 weeks, bringing the total to 288k, 5 weeks from release.

In the next 4 weeks, GT5 will average 60k a week, bringing the total to 528k pre-orders the week before release.

That'll be good enough to hit the 750k to 1.1 million sales range in America first week.

So is it lame to compare it to those games too?

Based on the figures we have and previous patterns GT5 will struggle to sell 1m units in it's first week in US. Do you not agree with that?

GT has always been a franchise about legs anyway. It isn't as frontloaded as Halo. So I think Reach will have a higher first week worldwide, but GT5 will give it a run for its money in terms of lifetime sales....My money is on Reach, though by a slim margin.