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jarrod said:

UGH.  I hate this.  I hate you for making me do this.  And I hate myself for doing this.  H8!  ;_;

there is no other way and can't you highlight the commnets like i do

Dreamcast came only 3 years before Xbox.   That's less time than between PSP and 3DS actually.

but still you can't compare them as the pricing and time just wasn't right and what SEGA went for wasn't correct

Nintendo's current generation *is* Wii.  It's like how DS was a generational leap from GBA, even it was basically a gen behind PSP in hardware class, it was still a generational leap all the same.

so then was Wii a generational leap from GC no it wasn't.it wasn't anywhere near the leap that 3DS made from DS so it Nintendo sometimes just upgrades then sometimes not and then sometimes when already behind its competitors just ipgrade to bring last generation.

Uh, an off the shelf PC chip from the 1980s would also be a horribly unoptimized chip.  I'm not seeing any disconnect?

i was just explaining if the CELL was used from a long time then people would know how to use it properly and optimize it properly.

yes you have to do all kinds of thing to bring power out of PS3 but there is power,you just need to get used to it

Outside Sony themselves, I'd say there's little chance for it to be maxed out honestly.  Only 1st place consoles tend to get pushed to their limits, and with the lurch towards HD multiplatform development for most 3rd parties, that's just make things less likely to really push the strengths of either HD platform.

yes but i am talking about any dev on PS3 even SONY's own or external.and SONY's own being very good and still haven't used it fully

Wait what, I'm confused?  I was saying PS2 vs GC for PS3 vs Wii 2,

alrite.

but honestly it'll probably be more like PS2 vs Wii.

it should be but if SONY's dev are able to max it only then we will be able to compare



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When would they annouce it at E3? 2011/12?



Ninten78 said:

When would they annouce it at E3? 2011/12?


wat?????????????????????

Nintendo won't tell anybody that,they don't want Wii sales dropping

 

now that they have not taken out the Wii HD woudl have been this year,this means they are woking on something more than just WiiHD

so they will  only take out Wii2 in 2012 or 2013 as 3DS also needs one year of push so they will bring it out after it



Solid_Snake4RD said:
Metallicube said:

Fine then, Einstein. What do YOU think Nintendo's next console will do?

better not call anybody names,you could get banned

I personally think something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQZ1MSG5v3g would be awesome for gaming in the future,

i got what you had in mind a long time ago,i don't need a video for it.

fthe projector will cost a bomb,after that a good projector with brightness will cost even more.

and the prosessing power needed will be enormous

all this can't be packed in NINTENDO's small prices

but I guess you just have no imagination so naturally you would think it's dumb :P

anybody can imagin anything but it doesn't become a reality if we want 

i could imaging HOLGOGRAPHIC,VIRTUAL REALITY, but that isn't gonna happen 

you are just whinning like a little boy here who asks mommy why can't i buy that expensive toy

yo really think NINTENDO will just bring a $2000 TECH and everybody will buy.

I think something like this would be a logical next step for Nintendo, as it would allow games to be played in different ways, and allow for greater portability. You could project it on the wall, on a surface, or plug it in a TV the traditional way. Miyamoto even said he would like to remove the barrier of TVs for gaming. Well what better way to do that than this?

and you really just picked out the meaning out of Miyamoto;s comments..........WOW

the TV barrier will go by not so fast and also projector don't provide the same qaulity

By the way, if you're going to make counterpoints to EVERYTHING I say, try coming up with something intelligent and insightful to say, all I'm seeing is little more than "lol no ur wrong!!1" or "no that's a bad idea!!!"

so you are being intelligent here by dreaming and whishing that all this expensive stugg not even refined will just come into NINTENDO's small price



Lol who is the one name calling? I believe calling someone a little boy is name calling.. You didn't answer my question btw.. What would YOU have Nintendo do for their next console then?

My god, you bring annoying to an art form.



Metallicube said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Metallicube said:

Fine then, Einstein. What do YOU think Nintendo's next console will do?

better not call anybody names,you could get banned

I personally think something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQZ1MSG5v3g would be awesome for gaming in the future,

i got what you had in mind a long time ago,i don't need a video for it.

fthe projector will cost a bomb,after that a good projector with brightness will cost even more.

and the prosessing power needed will be enormous

all this can't be packed in NINTENDO's small prices

but I guess you just have no imagination so naturally you would think it's dumb :P

anybody can imagin anything but it doesn't become a reality if we want 

i could imaging HOLGOGRAPHIC,VIRTUAL REALITY, but that isn't gonna happen 

you are just whinning like a little boy here who asks mommy why can't i buy that expensive toy

yo really think NINTENDO will just bring a $2000 TECH and everybody will buy.

I think something like this would be a logical next step for Nintendo, as it would allow games to be played in different ways, and allow for greater portability. You could project it on the wall, on a surface, or plug it in a TV the traditional way. Miyamoto even said he would like to remove the barrier of TVs for gaming. Well what better way to do that than this?

and you really just picked out the meaning out of Miyamoto;s comments..........WOW 

the TV barrier will go by not so fast and also projector don't provide the same qaulity

By the way, if you're going to make counterpoints to EVERYTHING I say, try coming up with something intelligent and insightful to say, all I'm seeing is little more than "lol no ur wrong!!1" or "no that's a bad idea!!!"

so you are being intelligent here by dreaming and whishing that all this expensive stugg not even refined will just come into NINTENDO's small price



Lol who is the one name calling? I believe calling someone a little boy is name calling.. You didn't answer my question btw.. What would YOU have Nintendo do for their next console then?

My god, you bring annoying to an art form.

i said you were acting like a little boy not a little boy and even thats not name calling.

 

abt Nintendo next console i don't know atm but what you are wanting with projectors,holographic isn't gonna happen.

Nintendo might go hardcore next gen instead of any Wii like things as now they have brand name back



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Nintendo go Harcore next gen? they do the 2 previous gen and we see what's happened! it's useless because of the "Kiddy" image Sega and sony stick to them. The so called "hardcore" gamers will be ashamed to buy and play a  "kiddy" console from the brand they bashed so much before... Also the expended audience just bring some sells too, they are likely to work on the both audience, their core audience and the expended one.

The projector is a nice idea, at least it can allows to every one to get the same or similar experience without the different kind of TV concern. The pico projectors are getting cheaper and cheaper, just the quality is not really there.

Back on the topic, maybe 3D will be a secret feature as for the Gamecube. It could be possible Nintendo ask again the designer of the graphic chip to make it possible to render to 2 different pictures (speaking of that, i am curious if this fonction had been removed or keep on the wii).



But we must first concentrate ourselves on the way to entertain people, for video games to live. Else, it's a world where sales representative will win, which has as effect to kill creativity. I want to say to the creators all around the world:"Courage, Dare!". Shigeru Miyamoto.

iasta said:

Nintendo go Harcore next gen? they do the 2 previous gen and we see what's happened!

nintenod had a bad brand name thats why they lost not because of going hardcore

you really think they won this gen because of not going hardcore? - no they didn't,as they would have been again overshadowed had the PS3 been $249.the PS3's expensive price let Wii get the attention and now having a bigger brand they can go back to hardcores

it's useless because of the "Kiddy" image Sega and sony stick to them. The so called "hardcore" gamers will be ashamed to buy and play a  "kiddy" console from the brand they bashed so much before...

no they won't.it depends more on the brand power and price at launch

Also the expended audience just bring some sells too, they are likely to work on the both audience, their core audience and the expended one.

yes they will try to keep the casual audience but get the hardcores back from their NES,SNES days

The projector is a nice idea, at least it can allows to every one to get the same or similar experience without the different kind of TV concern. The pico projectors are getting cheaper and cheaper, just the quality is not really there.

again what does it bring to gaming??????????

Back on the topic, maybe 3D will be a secret feature as for the Gamecube.

there is nothing secret and 3D is not something they do additionally for the console.if the console has enough power and  good video output port then any developer can make a 3D game for that system

It could be possible Nintendo ask again the designer of the graphic chip to make it possible to render to 2 different pictures (speaking of that, i am curious if this fonction had been removed or keep on the wii).

again their isn't any additional thing that they do to install 3D in a system.

it is only that if Wii goes 3D then its graphics will degrade to half of their current quality

and the other one Wii has a component video option which can do upto 1080p single image,so it can't do a 3D image for Wii any more than 720p.but this won't matter as Wii doesn't have the processing power for 720p games as their games are itself 480p so they will only be able to do 360p 3D

third the TV should recognize the 3D output from Wii and so firmware would have to be tweaked



Solid_Snake4RD said:
you really think they won this gen because of not going hardcore? - no they didn't,as they would have been again overshadowed had the PS3 been $249.the PS3's expensive price let Wii get the attention and now having a bigger brand they can go back to hardcores

You can't possibily believe that..

First of all, the terms "hardcore" and "casual" are stupid useless branding created by the industry to attempt to explain the Wii's success and make nerds feel cool for playing games so much. Nintendo "getting hardcore." What does that even mean??

Second, the Wii got its success because it appealed to new and oldschool gamers, something Sony and MS do not know how to do, which is why their console have less sales, even now when their prices are so close to the Wii. You can now buy an Xbox 360 for LESS than a Wii, yet still the Wii outsells it.. Why is this? Because most old people, little girls, and soccer moms would probably rather play Wii Sports or Wii Fit than MGS, COD, or Heavy Rain.The expanded audience, including oldschool and non gamers, do not want to play over the top violent games with endless cutscenes and complex controls.

If price is such a big factor, Gamecube would have been been the market leader, as it was cheaper than the competition. If all Sony had to do to remain market leader was release their console at $249, why didn't they just DO that?? Price has little to do with the Wii success. Blue Ocean strategy and Disruption have EVERYTHING to do with its success, which you clearly have not heard of, or refuse to believe it.



Metallicube said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
you really think they won this gen because of not going hardcore? - no they didn't,as they would have been again overshadowed had the PS3 been $249.the PS3's expensive price let Wii get the attention and now having a bigger brand they can go back to hardcores

You can't possibily believe that..

so you think Wii would be in the same place and PS3 would still have been last  if PS3 was priced $249....................lmao

First of all, the terms "hardcore" and "casual" are stupid useless branding created by the industry to attempt to explain the Wii's success and make nerds feel cool for playing games so much.

no its not.hardcore are serious gamers which follow gaming contunously and casuals that just jop on to enjoy when something popular and COOL comes in

don't you even know english.do you feel insecure that you might not be a hardcore but a casual gamer.

Nintendo "getting hardcore." What does that even mean??

it means Nintendo catering and making games for hardcore gamers

Second, the Wii got its success because it appealed to new and oldschool gamers,

only because PS3 sold expensive.if PS3 would have released at $249 the new and casual gamers wouldn't have even got on-board as Wii would have been overshadowed like the Gamecube.

PS2 had many casuals on-borad

what the hell do you mean by oldschool gamers?

something Sony and MS do not know how to do,which is why their console have less sales,

do you even know what influences the sales?

even now when their prices are so close to the Wii. You can now buy an Xbox 360 for LESS than a Wii, yet still the Wii outsells it.. Why is this?

PS3 is nowhere near close to Wii price and now PS brand has been damaged

for XBOX,it never had a big brand so why would it sell more.

do you even know what you're talking about means?

Because most old people, little girls, and soccer moms would probably rather play Wii Sports or Wii Fit

most of those people wouldn't even know Wii if it didn't get attention and wasn't popular

PS3 being expensive brought attention to the Wii

Wii was the thing to get and COOL which the people you mentioned above run behind

than MGS, COD, or Heavy Rain.The expanded audience, including oldschool and non gamers, do not want to play over the top violent games with endless cutscenes and complex controls.

PS3 if lower price would have gotten causal games like PS2

If price is such a big factor, Gamecube would have been been the market leader,as it was cheaper than the competition.

YEAH but Nintendo didn't have the brand name which PLAYSTATION did when PS3 launched

If all Sony had to do to remain market leader was release their console at $249, why didn't they just DO that??

cause they wanted to push blu-ray which will bring royalties to them

are you a baby that you don't understand these things,do you even follow gaming?its like you know nothing.you are asking question that are common knowledge

Price has little to do with the Wii success.

so the biggest brand PLAYSTATION would have just gone down even at $249..............lol

Blue Ocean strategy and Disruption have EVERYTHING to do with its success, which you clearly have not heard of, or refuse to believe it.

that strategy doesn't work when you don't have a good brand name  and the other competitor is no loser



Solid_Snake4RD said:

Metallicube said:

Solid_Snake4RD said:
you really think they won this gen because of not going hardcore? - no they didn't,as they would have been again overshadowed had the PS3 been $249.the PS3's expensive price let Wii get the attention and now having a bigger brand they can go back to hardcores

 

You can't possibily believe that..

so you think Wii would be in the same place and PS3 would still have been last  if PS3 was priced $249....................lmao

Yes, I honestly do. PS3 simply does not have many games that appeal to a wide audience. You could price the PS3 for $50, but if the games don't appeal to many people, it simply will not do well.

First of all, the terms "hardcore" and "casual" are stupid useless branding created by the industry to attempt to explain the Wii's success and make nerds feel cool for playing games so much.

no its not.hardcore are serious gamers which follow gaming contunously and casuals that just jop on to enjoy when something popular and COOL comes in

don't you even know english.do you feel insecure that you might not be a hardcore but a casual gamer.

Lol ok pal, I have been gaming since probably before you were even concieved. I bet you weren't even alive for the NES days. Keep believing the BS propaganda the industry spews out.

Hardcore and casual terms are bs because they are vague terms and the meaning of them constantly changes. Madden and GTA, Mario Bros, Zelda, and Tetris were all once considered "casual." I personally think if there is any type of game that could be considered "casual", it's those extremely linear games that focus more on cut scenes than gameplay, like FFXIII, Uncharted, MGS, Heavy Rain, etc..

Nintendo "getting hardcore." What does that even mean??

it means Nintendo catering and making games for hardcore gamers

And they haven't been doing that now? What do you call Mario Galaxy, Monster Hunter Tri, Zelda TP, Metroid Prime 3, Smash Bros Brawl, Donkey Kong Country, Kirby, Goldeneye, Fire Emblem, NSMB Wii, RE4, Mario Kart Wii, Wario Land, and a slew of others?

Second, the Wii got its success because it appealed to new and oldschool gamers,

only because PS3 sold expensive.if PS3 would have released at $249 the new and casual gamers wouldn't have even got on-board as Wii would have been overshadowed like the Gamecube.

PS2 had many casuals on-borad 

Again, you're just wrong, and I'm quite frankly dumbfounded that you actually believe this. PS3 may have gotten a bit more sales with a $249 price tag, but it's GAMES that sell consoles, and PS3 simply does not have games that appeal to the expanded audience, just an ever shrinking niche of core gamers.

what the hell do you mean by oldschool gamers?

What do you think I mean? Gamers who use to game but no longer do, because modern games do not appeal to them. And believe me, there are tons of them out there. This is what a game like NSMB Wii appeals to. Where do you think the 15 million sales are coming from for this game? Casual gamers? I have beaten the game and it can get EXTREMELY hard, way too hard for many "casual" gamers.

something Sony and MS do not know how to do,which is why their console have less sales,

do you even know what influences the sales?

Yes I do, but clearly you don't. Price and brand name are very minor factors, yet you somehow think they are the MAJOR factors..

even now when their prices are so close to the Wii. You can now buy an Xbox 360 for LESS than a Wii, yet still the Wii outsells it.. Why is this?

PS3 is nowhere near close to Wii price and now PS brand has been damaged

for XBOX,it never had a big brand so why would it sell more.

do you even know what you're talking about means?

PS3's price IS close to Wii. And regardless as to whether or not Xbox had a bring brand name, it is still very similar to the PS3, so my point stands.

Because most old people, little girls, and soccer moms would probably rather play Wii Sports or Wii Fit

most of those people wouldn't even know Wii if it didn't get attention and wasn't popular

PS3 being expensive brought attention to the Wii

Wii was the thing to get and COOL which the people you mentioned above run behind

So which is it? Is it because the Wii is the "cool" thing to get, or because it is cheaper than PS3? Your lack of consistancy is throwing me off.. Nobody just runs out and spends $200-$250 just because something is "cool." There are obviously games on it that appeal to those people, games the PS3 does not have.

than MGS, COD, or Heavy Rain.The expanded audience, including oldschool and non gamers, do not want to play over the top violent games with endless cutscenes and complex controls.

PS3 if lower price would have gotten causal games like PS2

Yeah, because every soccer mom was clamoring to play MGS, Uncharted, GTA4, COD, and Heavy Rain.. but once they found the Wii cheaper, they decided to go for that instead... Do you hear yourself?

 If price is such a big factor, Gamecube would have been been the market leader,as it was cheaper than the competition.

YEAH but Nintendo didn't have the brand name which PLAYSTATION did when PS3 launched

Again, brand name means very little in the grand scheme of things. I think consoles like the N64, PS3, and Wii prove that.

If all Sony had to do to remain market leader was release their console at $249, why didn't they just DO that??

cause they wanted to push blu-ray which will bring royalties to them

are you a baby that you don't understand these things,do you even follow gaming?its like you know nothing.you are asking question that are common knowledge

Ok, so basically you're saying that Sony PURPOSELY conceded 1st place just to push blu ray? Lol ok... You really have no idea what you are talking about.. What are you, 8 years old? Price has VERY LITTLE to do with Wii's success. Anyone who even remotely knows their gaming history knows this. It is clear to me now, if you aren't 8 years old, you are simply in denial.

Price has little to do with the Wii success.

so the biggest brand PLAYSTATION would have just gone down even at $249..............lol

Things change, buddy.. Gaming tastes change. Even the mighty Roman Empire eventually fell. Sony became too focused on cutting edge technology and cinematic gameplay, which is why their sales dwindled. They were overshooting the market, and losing fans. If brand name was so important, the Playstation brand never would have become market leader, because Nintendo was already leading with SNES.

Blue Ocean strategy and Disruption have EVERYTHING to do with its success, which you clearly have not heard of, or refuse to believe it.

that strategy doesn't work when you don't have a good brand name  and the other competitor is no loser

Again, you have no idea what your talking about, so this doesn't deserve any more of a response. Brand name has NOTHING to do with it.