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dtewi on 02 July 2010
Khuutra said:
dtewi said:

The Final Fantasy series has sold dam near 100 million copies. You think less than 11 million people bought that many?

FF has been a commercial success since the 80s. I don't WoW will be overtaking that any time soon. It's been so massive for such a long period of time I doubt WoW is more popular.

First, admit that popularity has nothing to do with the topic.


If more people know what FF is than WoW and play it more (what popularity is basically), would it not be what comes to someone's mind when RPG is said?



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Mad55 on 02 July 2010

Tales series lol



Khuutra on 02 July 2010
dtewi said:
Khuutra said:

First, admit that popularity has nothing to do with the topic.

If more people know what FF is than WoW and play it more (what popularity is basically), would it not be what comes to someone's mind when RPG is said?

No. This topic is about the individual replier. Trying to say that they are wrong is fallacious, counter-intuitive, and disingenuous.

Now admit that popularity has nothing to do with this topic or the OP's request for content.



dtewi on 02 July 2010
Khuutra said:
dtewi said:
Khuutra said:

First, admit that popularity has nothing to do with the topic.

If more people know what FF is than WoW and play it more (what popularity is basically), would it not be what comes to someone's mind when RPG is said?

No. This topic is about the individual replier. Trying to say that they are wrong is fallacious, counter-intuitive, and disingenuous.

Now admit that popularity has nothing to do with this topic or the OP's request for content.

I was responding to that previous argument. I never said they were wrong, did I ever say that FF should come to all minds?

Popularity does not deal with the topic. It deals with this argument.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

Weegee on 02 July 2010
dtewi said:
Khuutra said:

Popularity has nothing to do with this discussion. That was the point of my first paragraph two posts back.

We can determine which series is more popular according to your stated standard of "what leaps to mind for the most people". It's going to be WoW. WoW has been played by more people than most games can ever aspire to. 11 million was the active subscriptions at the time, not counting those that had been dropped in the previous four years. For the time period from 2004-2010, WoW has destroyed Final Fantasy and every other RPG that isn't Pokemon (and maybe also Pokemon).

The Final Fantasy series has sold dam near 100 million copies. You think less than 11 million people bought that many?

FF has been a commercial success since the 80s. I don't WoW will be overtaking that any time soon. It's been so massive for such a long period of time I doubt WoW is more popular.

The Pokemon series has sold dam near 200 million copies. You think less than 100 million people bought that many?

Pokemon has been a commercial success since the 90s. I don't FF will be overtaking that any time soon. It's been so massive for such a long period of time I doubt FF is more popular.





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dtewi on 02 July 2010
Weegee said:

The Pokemon series has sold dam near 200 million copies. You think less than 100 million people bought that many?

Pokemon has been a commercial success since the 90s. I don't FF will be overtaking that any time soon. It's been so massive for such a long period of time I doubt FF is more popular.

Hmmm. I think it's possible less than 100 million people bought that many. 

And Pokemon is not commonly considered to be an RPG. Many people don't know that is one.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

Lurker on 02 July 2010
IvorEvilen said:

As much as I love Dragon Quest, it isn't the first thing to come to my mind when I hear "RPG".  In fact, my hatred of WRPGs is the first thing to cross my mind.  Not that I feel they are bad games (I really like some), but they are taking the RPG genre in what I feel is the wrong direction (Mass Effect anyone?).

Then Dragon Quest crosses my mind and it makes me happy again :D!


WRPGs are the true RPGs, where you actually play a role. The Japanese didn't quite understand D&D, and only took the number part of it back in the day.



Khuutra on 02 July 2010
dtewi said:

I was responding to that previous argument. I never said they were wrong, did I ever say that FF should come to all minds?

Popularity does not deal with the topic. It deals with this argument.

Close enough.

Popularity is understood, in this context, to be a function of sales within a given timeframe. Your question asks "what do peopel think of when they think RPG", which extends to "what is the more popular game", which means "what is the more popular game right now"

Questions of popularity are necessarily assumed to be questions of current popularity, not as a sales aggregate collected over the course of nearly 30 years. Final Fantasy has not had as many players as WoW during any 6-year period in the franchise's entire history, period. Right now, WoW holds FF down and beats it to death, bashing its head in and rubbing its butt on FF's face. That is a fact of current popularity, which is what is understood by popularity in the first place.

Trying to frame popularity as a product of lifetime franchise sales is ridiculous. Pilgrim's Progress has sold God knows how many copies - probably in the order of a couple of hundred million, bare minimum. Does that make it more popular than The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo? No! Of course it doesn't. PIlgrim's Progress sold much less in the past year, much less the past week, than TGwtDT. The current state of things is that TGwtDT is much more popular than Pilgrim's Progress in spite of selling fewer copies because it has more current readers. That's what popularity means!



dtewi on 02 July 2010
Khuutra said:

Close enough.

Popularity is understood, in this context, to be a function of sales within a given timeframe. Your question asks "what do peopel think of when they think RPG", which extends to "what is the more popular game", which means "what is the more popular game right now"

Questions of popularity are necessarily assumed to be questions of current popularity, not as a sales aggregate collected over the course of nearly 30 years. Final Fantasy has not had as many players as WoW during any 6-year period in the franchise's entire history, period. Right now, WoW holds FF down and beats it to death, bashing its head in and rubbing its butt on FF's face. That is a fact of current popularity, which is what is understood by popularity in the first place.

Trying to frame popularity as a product of lifetime franchise sales is ridiculous. Pilgrim's Progress has sold God knows how many copies - probably in the order of a couple of hundred million, bare minimum. Does that make it more popular than The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo? No! Of course it doesn't. PIlgrim's Progress sold much less in the past year, much less the past week, than TGwtDT. The current state of things is that TGwtDT is much more popular than Pilgrim's Progress in spite of selling fewer copies because it has more current readers. That's what popularity means!

OK. I concede. WoW is more popular than FF.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

I_hate_Itagaki on 02 July 2010
Weegee said:
dtewi said:
Khuutra said:

Popularity has nothing to do with this discussion. That was the point of my first paragraph two posts back.

We can determine which series is more popular according to your stated standard of "what leaps to mind for the most people". It's going to be WoW. WoW has been played by more people than most games can ever aspire to. 11 million was the active subscriptions at the time, not counting those that had been dropped in the previous four years. For the time period from 2004-2010, WoW has destroyed Final Fantasy and every other RPG that isn't Pokemon (and maybe also Pokemon).

The Final Fantasy series has sold dam near 100 million copies. You think less than 11 million people bought that many?

FF has been a commercial success since the 80s. I don't WoW will be overtaking that any time soon. It's been so massive for such a long period of time I doubt WoW is more popular.

The Pokemon series has sold dam near 200 million copies. You think less than 100 million people bought that many?

Pokemon has been a commercial success since the 90s. I don't FF will be overtaking that any time soon. It's been so massive for such a long period of time I doubt FF is more popular.