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scat398 on 30 June 2010

One step closer to being able to tell Directv to suck it. 



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Squilliam on 30 June 2010
makingmusic476 said:
Squilliam said:

I guess I was right. So now:

  • Cross game chat? PSN
  • Clan support? PSN
  • PSN party support? PSN
  • Hulu? PSN
  • Anything new and exciting? PSN
  • New Home areas? Maybe PSN

????

It looks like its going to PSN all the way. If anyone doesn't like this, they had better vote with their wallet and not get PSN . Otherwise Sony is just going to roll out every single improvement to PSN onto the PSN subscription.

As likely as it's looking, cross game voice chat has yet to be confirmed for PS Plus. 

Given that it was removed last minute from the initial PS Plus package, I get the feeling Sony is gauging early PS Plus demand before deciding whether they need to make a basic OS feature like that PS Plus exclusive to increase demand, or whether they can make it free for all (as it should be) while still getting a decent subscriber base for the new service.

Also, new features are still being provided for non-Plus members, like the recent video editing/uploading software and the new photo gallery.

As it stands now, all new OS features announced since PS Plus was announced (sans auto downloads) have been added free for all (as they cost nothing to support once implemented on a firmware level), while all content and services (Hulu, PS Store discounts, the inevitable cloud storage, etc.) have been added under PS Plus (as they *do* cost money to maintain and support).

The idea that anything "new and exciting" is going to be charged for is incorrect based on what we've seen so far.


Cross game chat falls under the network feature rather than OS feature category. That makes it more a likely PSN feature than regular PSN feature. It requires servers to run the service, just as it does on Xbox Live and the precedent has already been set with Hulu . Furthermore since the PS3 already does the basic OS features more than adequately its likely most new and exciting features will be network related so therefore its quite likely they will also be PSN only.



Tease.

makingmusic476 on 01 July 2010
Squilliam said:
makingmusic476 said:
Squilliam said:

I guess I was right. So now:

  • Cross game chat? PSN
  • Clan support? PSN
  • PSN party support? PSN
  • Hulu? PSN
  • Anything new and exciting? PSN
  • New Home areas? Maybe PSN

????

It looks like its going to PSN all the way. If anyone doesn't like this, they had better vote with their wallet and not get PSN . Otherwise Sony is just going to roll out every single improvement to PSN onto the PSN subscription.

As likely as it's looking, cross game voice chat has yet to be confirmed for PS Plus. 

Given that it was removed last minute from the initial PS Plus package, I get the feeling Sony is gauging early PS Plus demand before deciding whether they need to make a basic OS feature like that PS Plus exclusive to increase demand, or whether they can make it free for all (as it should be) while still getting a decent subscriber base for the new service.

Also, new features are still being provided for non-Plus members, like the recent video editing/uploading software and the new photo gallery.

As it stands now, all new OS features announced since PS Plus was announced (sans auto downloads) have been added free for all (as they cost nothing to support once implemented on a firmware level), while all content and services (Hulu, PS Store discounts, the inevitable cloud storage, etc.) have been added under PS Plus (as they *do* cost money to maintain and support).

The idea that anything "new and exciting" is going to be charged for is incorrect based on what we've seen so far.


Cross game chat falls under the network feature rather than OS feature category. That makes it more a likely PSN feature than regular PSN feature. It requires servers to run the service, just as it does on Xbox Live and the precedent has already been set with Hulu . Furthermore since the PS3 already does the basic OS features more than adequately its likely most new and exciting features will be network related so therefore its quite likely they will also be PSN only.

Why would cross game voice chat require servers?  A person's profile information most certainly would, but you'd think connecting to another player to chat would be purely P2P.



Jereel Hunter on 01 July 2010
BMaker11 said:
Jereel Hunter said:
BMaker11 said:

Why should you pay $10 period? I could go to Hulu right now, and watch all those things (current seasons and past seasons) right now for free. 

Only thing for Hulu should be an internet connection, like it is now (thus making it stupid to block it on the PS3). I don't mind a 15 second advert every 10 minutes


Because television shows are very expensive to make? Hulu plus is going to add more content for paid subscribers than the free site... and honestly, the site is amazing, it should cost money. Do I like it being free? Of course. But there's a reason a couple of my favorite shows died even though lots of people watched it on Hulu. Hulu generates almost no revenue compared to other sources - not enough to help keep the shows you watch on the air, anyway. It's business model requires some kind of payment. On demand viewing with a fraction of the commercials of a TV broadcast? There will be a price, it's unavoidable.

Dude....commercials.

#end

Dude, you get cable free due to commercials? A few of the biggest networks are available over the air, for the most part, people pay for TV AND are exposed to commercials totaling 1/4 of total viewing time. Hulu is currently free, but it's not enough. A fraction of the cost of cable and 1/2 the commercials sounds like a deal to me. Is free better? clearly. But a few commercials per show isn't enough.



Jereel Hunter on 01 July 2010
Ryudo said:
Jereel Hunter said:
BMaker11 said:

Why should you pay $10 period? I could go to Hulu right now, and watch all those things (current seasons and past seasons) right now for free. 

Only thing for Hulu should be an internet connection, like it is now (thus making it stupid to block it on the PS3). I don't mind a 15 second advert every 10 minutes


Because television shows are very expensive to make? Hulu plus is going to add more content for paid subscribers than the free site... and honestly, the site is amazing, it should cost money. Do I like it being free? Of course. But there's a reason a couple of my favorite shows died even though lots of people watched it on Hulu. Hulu generates almost no revenue compared to other sources - not enough to help keep the shows you watch on the air, anyway. It's business model requires some kind of payment. On demand viewing with a fraction of the commercials of a TV broadcast? There will be a price, it's unavoidable

Ever heard of Advertisments? Keeps things free. You can check bigger Podcast networks like twit.tv or Revision3 as proof. Also before cable network tv ran for decades on ads.

Keeps things free, but most ad based things online are relatively low budget. They aren't providing an economical backbone to tens billions of dollars in programming. You have to look at the big picture. Hulu is growing by leaps and bounds, and is canibalizing viewers from the TV viewership. So it's taking viewers from an episode which plays 4-6 commercials per break and giving them just 1-2. And it's taking viewers from a service (cable/direct tv, etc) that costs viewers a big chunk of change, and giving it to them for free. (Or $10/month)  The fact is, less adds and no cable fees mean that as Hulu gains traction, this is just massive amounts of revenue lost. It needs to be regained somewhere.

Now, there's a problem with ads nowadays. People hate and avoid ads. It takes so many ads nowadays to pay for shows that people either have time to get up and do things around the house and not watch them, or, many people (like me) would RATHER pay a piddling sum like $10/month to not waste time on commercials. (even with my cable, I watch nothing live... I pay for DVR so I can fast forward commercials)

Do I want to take 60 minutes to watch every 43 minute episode on Hulu? Or do I want to take 47? I guess it depends on how valuable your time is, and how much TV you watch, but if I can save 13 minutes (over 20%) of my time per episode, it's worth the money to me.



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Ryudo on 01 July 2010
scat398 said:

One step closer to being able to tell Directv to suck it. 


That is the original reason they dropped TV support on media boxes and kept it PC only. Now they are going back to Media boxes. Watch as they will eventually flip back to PC only.



Squilliam on 01 July 2010
makingmusic476 said:
Squilliam said:


Cross game chat falls under the network feature rather than OS feature category. That makes it more a likely PSN feature than regular PSN feature. It requires servers to run the service, just as it does on Xbox Live and the precedent has already been set with Hulu . Furthermore since the PS3 already does the basic OS features more than adequately its likely most new and exciting features will be network related so therefore its quite likely they will also be PSN only.

Why would cross game voice chat require servers?  A person's profile information most certainly would, but you'd think connecting to another player to chat would be purely P2P.

Because its the most practical, best and easiest way to implement the technology. Rather than establish connections to between one to seven individual people they establish a single connection to a server which handles all of the routing. It lowers the overhead on the client side and ensures a more consistant experience.



Tease.