By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Microsoft - Greenberg: Milo is a tech demo, not planned for release

Solid_Snake4RD said:
Farmageddon said:

Ha, some people were just missinformed and expected much more than what Milo was stated to be even by Molyneux himself. Of course the thing didn't understand what you were saying. Of course it couldn't really make completely new, non-programmed answers on the fly. It was all about "smoke and mirrors" (he used the term himself), as basically all AI trying to resemble a human is. It would simply take a few things (like tone of voice, maybe basic facial expressions, and keywords) and try to interpret that, and of course use scripted answers, and this was pointed out by the developers themselves, so people acting like it was supposed to be anything more are simply wrong.

Also, even this looks like a big project on AI, and it must be remembered Lionhead has plenty of experience in that field, and they allegedly had been working on a project that became Milo a long time before Natal came around.

even if they had experience the thing that they showed at E3 and promised were too high to be done

Scientist themselves haven't understood how different people react and these peopl can and with government funding the scientists couldn't how could MS

 

just resembling a human is not what they promised but having a human fully interact with you is what they promised


Look, Molyneux himself said it was obviously just "smoke and mirrors", made to make people believe it was more than that. To give them that feeling. So yeah, job well done, because that's what you believed. There's nothing to argue here.



Around the Network
Farmageddon said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Farmageddon said:

Ha, some people were just missinformed and expected much more than what Milo was stated to be even by Molyneux himself. Of course the thing didn't understand what you were saying. Of course it couldn't really make completely new, non-programmed answers on the fly. It was all about "smoke and mirrors" (he used the term himself), as basically all AI trying to resemble a human is. It would simply take a few things (like tone of voice, maybe basic facial expressions, and keywords) and try to interpret that, and of course use scripted answers, and this was pointed out by the developers themselves, so people acting like it was supposed to be anything more are simply wrong.

Also, even this looks like a big project on AI, and it must be remembered Lionhead has plenty of experience in that field, and they allegedly had been working on a project that became Milo a long time before Natal came around.

even if they had experience the thing that they showed at E3 and promised were too high to be done

Scientist themselves haven't understood how different people react and these peopl can and with government funding the scientists couldn't how could MS

 

just resembling a human is not what they promised but having a human fully interact with you is what they promised


Look, Molyneux himself said it was obviously just "smoke and mirrors", made to make people believe it was more than that. To give them that feeling. So yeah, job well done, because that's what you believed. There's nothing to argue here.

just because he said it doesn't mean they meant that last E3 too

mostly they promised too much and couldn't celiver and tried to convey it like a joke

 

i didn't believe they wouldn't be able to do it but i would have love to see the product come out unfiished with them promising alot and falling flat on their arse



Solid_Snake4RD said:
Farmageddon said:


Look, Molyneux himself said it was obviously just "smoke and mirrors", made to make people believe it was more than that. To give them that feeling. So yeah, job well done, because that's what you believed. There's nothing to argue here.

just because he said it doesn't mean they meant that last E3 too

mostly they promised too much and couldn't celiver and tried to convey it like a joke

 

i didn't believe they wouldn't be able to do it but i would have love to see the product come out unfiished with them promising alot and falling flat on their arse

No, these comments are from the same time the thing was unveiled, so no, it's not like they promised something and later on thought "oh, crap" and then made something up.

Also, besides going directly against what was officialy stated, it's also just naive to think they actually expected to build what you're saying they did and just later on realized they couldn't.

Also, your last sentence shows your true colors here: you simply want to see them fail. Doesn't matter if what you're trying to argue makes no sense and goes against facts. You simply hate them, for some reason. At least that's the vibe I get from your posts.



Farmageddon said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Farmageddon said:


Look, Molyneux himself said it was obviously just "smoke and mirrors", made to make people believe it was more than that. To give them that feeling. So yeah, job well done, because that's what you believed. There's nothing to argue here.

just because he said it doesn't mean they meant that last E3 too

mostly they promised too much and couldn't celiver and tried to convey it like a joke

 

i didn't believe they wouldn't be able to do it but i would have love to see the product come out unfiished with them promising alot and falling flat on their arse

Also, besides going directly against what was officialy stated, it's also just naive to think they actually expected to build what you're saying they did and just later on realized they couldn't.

hoe to think that they actually wanted to make something like it,why would they even show it at E3.

it was just useless

Also, your last sentence shows your true colors here: you simply want to see them fail. Doesn't matter if what you're trying to argue makes no sense and goes against facts. You simply hate them, for some reason. At least that's the vibe I get from your posts.

i wanted them to fail as they offered too tooo toooo MUCH


KINECT was another thing

 

but the scaning the SKATEBOARD and talking to MILO as another person is way toooooooooo far-fetched


if that was possible,MS would first sell it to government to make trillions out of it not billions





Solid_Snake4RD said:
Farmageddon said:

Also, besides going directly against what was officialy stated, it's also just naive to think they actually expected to build what you're saying they did and just later on realized they couldn't.

hoe to think that they actually wanted to make something like it,why would they even show it at E3.

it was just useless

Also, your last sentence shows your true colors here: you simply want to see them fail. Doesn't matter if what you're trying to argue makes no sense and goes against facts. You simply hate them, for some reason. At least that's the vibe I get from your posts.

i wanted them to fail as they offered too tooo toooo MUCH


KINECT was another thing

 

but the scaning the SKATEBOARD and talking to MILO as another person is way toooooooooo far-fetched


if that was possible,MS would first sell it to government to make trillions out of it not billions



You asked me in another thread to not answer inside your quotbox and now you just did it :) Not that I care, just found it funny :P

Anyway, they showed at E3 what to look forward, but even back then, when demonstrating the game to press and talking about it, they made sure to make it clear that the thing was jsut "smoke and mirrors". Not that they had to, as it would be naive to expect otherwise.

Anwyay, their objective is to have something that can give a player the ILLUSION of a conversation, not an actual, usefull conversation. Kind of like those chatterbots, but a little bit more fleshed out. Have you ever tried any of those? If you do, try to keep your spelling and grammatic correct and simple or they won't understand squat.

So, again, there's a simple reason why they didn't sell it to the government. It's simply not something the government would be interested in. It's not, and is not supposed to be, either, the kind of thing you keep saying it is, but a product that can give users the illusion that it is something like that.



Around the Network
Farmageddon said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Farmageddon said:

Also, besides going directly against what was officialy stated, it's also just naive to think they actually expected to build what you're saying they did and just later on realized they couldn't.

hoe to think that they actually wanted to make something like it,why would they even show it at E3.

it was just useless

Also, your last sentence shows your true colors here: you simply want to see them fail. Doesn't matter if what you're trying to argue makes no sense and goes against facts. You simply hate them, for some reason. At least that's the vibe I get from your posts.

i wanted them to fail as they offered too tooo toooo MUCH


KINECT was another thing

 

but the scaning the SKATEBOARD and talking to MILO as another person is way toooooooooo far-fetched


if that was possible,MS would first sell it to government to make trillions out of it not billions



You asked me in another thread to not answer inside your quotbox and now you just did it :) Not that I care, just found it funny :P

Anyway, they showed at E3 what to look forward, but even back then, when demonstrating the game to press and talkinga bout it, they made sure to make it clear that the thing was jsut "smoke and mirrors". Not that they had to, as it would be naive to expect otherwise.

Anwyay, their objective is to have something that can give a player the ILLUSION of a conversation, not an actual, usefull conversation. Kind of like those chatterbots, but a little bit more fleshed out. Have you ever tried any of those? If you do, try to keep your spelling and grammatic correct or they won't understand squat.

So, again, there's a simplke reason why they didn't sell it to the government. It's simply not something the government would be interested in. It's not, and is not supposed to be, either, the kind of thing you keep saying it is, but a product that can give users the illusion that it is. I hope you understand.

in another post you didn't under my comments and bolded them.you didn't do any of it.you just posted your commnets just like that which made if difficult to separate which is why i told you to stop

really did they say smoke and mirror,don't remember it.also even if they said it why do it if it doesn't prove useful.and how would t be naive if they showcased it at E3 and talk of it as an upcoming thing

the illusion of the conversation was not it when they showcased it last E3 but much much much more and much bigger than chatterbots.illusion a  very different word from what they did there



Solid_Snake4RD said:

in another post you didn't under my comments and bolded them.you didn't do any of it.you just posted your commnets just like that which made if difficult to separate which is why i told you to stop

really did they say smoke and mirror,don't remember it.also even if they said it why do it if it doesn't prove useful.and how would t be naive if they showcased it at E3 and talk of it as an upcoming thing

the illusion of the conversation was not it when they showcased it last E3 but much much much more and much bigger than chatterbots.illusion a  very different word from what they did there

I'm pretty sure I did bold it, but it doesn't matter.

Yup, he said that, in those words, at BAFTA:

""Right, can we dare to create a character which anybody interacting with that character would truly believe was alive?" and we took that challenge and I admit to you now that a lot of it is smoke and mirrors and tricks, but that doesn't matter."

What do you mean by proving usefull? They believe it can make for a nice experience and a nice game, and so they're doing it. It's just not the kind of thing you (and aparently many others) seem to assume it is, the kind of thing you'd have scientists reasearching with government funds. What it is is a prduct that tries to look like that. And that's what they shown, and that's what's coming.

And this is Molyneux, of course he'll use as many hyperboles as are known to man when talking about a new project.



Farmageddon said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:

in another post you didn't under my comments and bolded them.you didn't do any of it.you just posted your commnets just like that which made if difficult to separate which is why i told you to stop

really did they say smoke and mirror,don't remember it.also even if they said it why do it if it doesn't prove useful.and how would t be naive if they showcased it at E3 and talk of it as an upcoming thing

the illusion of the conversation was not it when they showcased it last E3 but much much much more and much bigger than chatterbots.illusion a  very different word from what they did there

I'm pretty sure I did bold it, but it doesn't matter.

Yup, he said that, in those words, at BAFTA:

""Right, can we dare to create a character which anybody interacting with that character would truly believe was alive?" and we took that challenge and I admit to you now that a lot of it is smoke and mirrors and tricks, but that doesn't matter."

What do you mean by proving usefull? They believe it can make for a nice experience and a nice game, and so they're doing it. It's just not the kind of thing you (and aparently many others) seem to assume it is, the kind of thing you'd have scientists reasearching with government funds. What it is is a prduct that tries to look like that. And that's what they shown, and that's what's coming.

And this is Molyneux, of course he'll use as many hyperboles as are known to man when talking about a new project.

so now you made it BAFTA after E3 claims

 

if they belive it can make it useful then how does wating time over MILO help or make it useful????-thats the main  question is,why the hell waste time over it?



Solid_Snake4RD said:
Farmageddon said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:

in another post you didn't under my comments and bolded them.you didn't do any of it.you just posted your commnets just like that which made if difficult to separate which is why i told you to stop

really did they say smoke and mirror,don't remember it.also even if they said it why do it if it doesn't prove useful.and how would t be naive if they showcased it at E3 and talk of it as an upcoming thing

the illusion of the conversation was not it when they showcased it last E3 but much much much more and much bigger than chatterbots.illusion a  very different word from what they did there

I'm pretty sure I did bold it, but it doesn't matter.

Yup, he said that, in those words, at BAFTA:

""Right, can we dare to create a character which anybody interacting with that character would truly believe was alive?" and we took that challenge and I admit to you now that a lot of it is smoke and mirrors and tricks, but that doesn't matter."

What do you mean by proving usefull? They believe it can make for a nice experience and a nice game, and so they're doing it. It's just not the kind of thing you (and aparently many others) seem to assume it is, the kind of thing you'd have scientists reasearching with government funds. What it is is a prduct that tries to look like that. And that's what they shown, and that's what's coming.

And this is Molyneux, of course he'll use as many hyperboles as are known to man when talking about a new project.

so now you made it BAFTA after E3 claims

 

if they belive it can make it useful then how does wating time over MILO help or make it useful????-thats the main  question is,why the hell waste time over it?

Those specifc words come from BAFTA, but Molyneux also told members of the press who were demoed Milo at E3 similar things.

And I'm sorry, but I simply don't understand your second paragraph.



Farmageddon said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Farmageddon said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:

in another post you didn't under my comments and bolded them.you didn't do any of it.you just posted your commnets just like that which made if difficult to separate which is why i told you to stop

really did they say smoke and mirror,don't remember it.also even if they said it why do it if it doesn't prove useful.and how would t be naive if they showcased it at E3 and talk of it as an upcoming thing

the illusion of the conversation was not it when they showcased it last E3 but much much much more and much bigger than chatterbots.illusion a  very different word from what they did there

I'm pretty sure I did bold it, but it doesn't matter.

Yup, he said that, in those words, at BAFTA:

""Right, can we dare to create a character which anybody interacting with that character would truly believe was alive?" and we took that challenge and I admit to you now that a lot of it is smoke and mirrors and tricks, but that doesn't matter."

What do you mean by proving usefull? They believe it can make for a nice experience and a nice game, and so they're doing it. It's just not the kind of thing you (and aparently many others) seem to assume it is, the kind of thing you'd have scientists reasearching with government funds. What it is is a prduct that tries to look like that. And that's what they shown, and that's what's coming.

And this is Molyneux, of course he'll use as many hyperboles as are known to man when talking about a new project.

so now you made it BAFTA after E3 claims

 

if they belive it can make it useful then how does wating time over MILO help or make it useful????-thats the main  question is,why the hell waste time over it?

Those specifc words come from BAFTA, but Molyneux also told members of the press who were demoed Milo at E3 similar things.

And I'm sorry, but I simply don't understand your second paragraph.


my second para was questioning why they even made it and most of all wasted time at E3?

whatever peter said to the E3 demoees last year but everyone wo got the demo was bahing NATAL and MILO

 

IGN said that it was all not true AND that tech didn't work according neither was MILO but MS told them it will develop over time