GT5 will finish lifetime around 7- 8million.

Halo Reach will lifetime sell around 12-14 million.

ODST was just an expansion for Halo 3 and will sell around 6 million lifetime.

There is absolutely no way GT5 will touch Reach sales.

MGS3 has various versions i.e substance.... However even if we look at those numbers we see in Japan MGS3 sold more then MGS4 and in others MGS3 sold equal with MGS4. The only place where it has had a big change is US and that is only by 800k.

By that logic you can say GT3 sold 14m and GT4 sold 10m. A big drop.

GT figures are anything but consistent.

What some of you people are saying is GT5 will basically sell more then the top 3 PS3 exclusive games combined...

Selling 10m units at the peak of a consoles life with no competition and 130m consoles to sell to is one thing. Selling 10m units while the console is far from that previous peak, with 2 other competitiors and 35m consoles to sell to is something totally different.

If that happens then i would be shocked.

just so ya'll know gt3 had around 12m consoles WW when it released not 120 not 136 but 12 million gt5 will have 3 times more user base when it releases not 3 times less ok, games get there majority of there sales whitin the fisrt yr or two of release ps2 had around 20m-40m user base in its first 2 yrs after gt3 released so saying gt3 had 130m user base is not really worth nothing

What has it got to do with time?!

The biggest selling GT game is GT3, it sold 14m units. On the PS2 which has/had 130m consoles sold. How is that wrong exactly?

The figures i showed are over the entire consoles/games lifetime. GT3 came out around the PS2's first birthday. GT4 came out 4 years after that.

GT5 will come out after the PS3 has entered it's 5th year on sale. That is a big change from lastime.

If there was no Wii/360 and GT5 was released around a year mark after the PS3 launched then maybe it would have a cance at those figures. But as said above it no longer has that free reign, it has 2 competitors of which BOTH have sold more consoles then it. If you honestly think that won't play a part in the sales this time round then as i also said i just find that laughable.

Over the course of the PS3's lifetime i expect GT5 to sell around 8m copies. Nearly double that of the current number 1 PS3 exclusive. Expectiong it to almost treble it is just wishful thinking.

I find people useing the ratio number arguments a bit misleading.  None of the gt games had the full console amounts when they launched plus after newer versions came out the ps2 still sold tens of millions but the game sales dried up more.  How many more consoles will have sold in the year after gt5 releases?  In 2?  How many in 3?  To assume that for it to sell more than 10 million would need a huge ratio misses the point that tens of millions of ps3s will sell after gt5 launches as well. 

How many 360s were out when Halo 3 launched?  A lot fewer than there were when it hit 11 million.

Halo Reach could outsell it, COULD. but it wont

If the game was called Halo 4, I still dont think it would.

I understand that many of you may be 16 year old shooter fans who roar with every thing that is halo. Loving your head sets and mountain dew halo parties, completely oblivious to anything else. You and all of your friends play only halo and COD, and that is fine.

but just know, when compared to GT fans WW, YOU are the minority.

Gran Turismo 5 will outsell any 1 Microsoft exclusive game ever, and become the largest selling HD console exclusive this gen in my opinion.

GT4 slowed gt3s sales.  Yet you don't say how many ps2s when the sales slowed you just say total sales.   GT4 had a bigger user base but for many people the difference between gt4 and gt3 might not have been enough to get a new game. 

Timing matters because you can't say something sold on a huge userbase and then only refer to the current userbase.  The current userbase fo ps3s is not comparable to the final base of the ps2 and should not be used as if it's the final base of what the ps3 will be.  The ps3 hasen't been out 4 years and it's over 35 million.  How many more ps3s will there be when gt5 stops selling?  So there will be a userbase big enough to support the gt5 selling very well by the time things are done.

The problem is we are now talking about how many consoles were out there when each game came out. Which is fair enough.

But if you want to work those %'s out then be my guest. The data is sadly incomplete so would just be guess work.

The competitors i mention are other consoles/formats. Back in the day most people had a PS2. That was the format of choice. It is no longer like that. Some people might now be the Mario Kart type on Wii, some might be the Forza type on 360, you could also say maybe now people have pc's good enough to play games too.

Point being the amount of people who buy games, in particular racing games will be spread out onto other formats while before they probably only had 1, which was the PS2. 

I will bet you my account access it doesn't. I will forfeit my account to you if GT5 sells more than Reach. Your dreaming alot here.

PS doesnt have the name in the US it needs to get close. ALL GT games sell 50% of the sales in US. Where 360 is killing it by over 10m consoles. 

GT5 selling more than Reach is fiction.

Prologue came out. GT5 will be the second GT.