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MARCUSDJACKSON on 23 June 2010
Hynad said:

Simple maths are irrelevent.

When people talk about the attach rate, it should be taken into consideration based on when the actual game was still selling itself, and there are other factors that can be brought into the argument as well..  GT4 didn't sell as well as GT3 and there are many potential and reasonable reasons for that.  For one, many could have seen it as not big enough a step up to warrant the purchase of it, having spent the countless hours of gameplay on the first outing of the console already, and not willing to do it all over again (the game still sold over 10 milion copies anyway).  It could also be that the franchise had become a bit stale in the mind of gamers and they lost interest (it still sold over 10 milion copies). It could also mean that because the PS2's install base is so huge, so is the diversity of gamers preferences going to be huge. Or, it could be all the above combined or any other speculative reasons I didn't brought up here. 

GT5 is gonna share more in common with GT3 than with GT4.  The main point being that GT5 is, like GT3, the first main entry in the series on the system.  GT3 sole more than GT4 on an intsall base way smaller than what the PS2 is right now...

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yo_john117 on 23 June 2010
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Funtime said:

Simple math would dictate that Halo Reach will outsell GT 5 by a fairly large margin barring GT5 getting bundled at some point.

Halo 2 sold 8 million on an install base of 25 million. GT4 sold 14 or so million on an install base of 130 million (roughly).

Halo 3 sold almost 11 million and it launched to an install base of around 18-20 million.

With the current hardware numbers for Sony and MS I don't see how GT has any shot at beating Halo this gen....unless of course it gets bundled.


no not simple math. more like speculation on numbers of a console that dominated.

lets stick to simple facts. GT4 sold 14m. Halo sold 11m (round it off)

most sequals sell beter then there predecessors. so to blow the argument out of the water

GT5 20m GT5 is th onlyone that will move consoles

Halo Reach 15m

it can't be argued cause my mind is made up.

You think GT5 is gonna sell 20 million and Reach is gonna sell 15M o_0



Hus on 24 June 2010
Funtime said:

Simple math would dictate that Halo Reach will outsell GT 5 by a fairly large margin barring GT5 getting bundled at some point.

Halo 2 sold 8 million on an install base of 25 million. GT4 sold 14 or so million on an install base of 130 million (roughly).

Halo 3 sold almost 11 million and it launched to an install base of around 18-20 million.

With the current hardware numbers for Sony and MS I don't see how GT has any shot at beating Halo this gen....unless of course it gets bundled.

Problem with simple math is there is no such thing.   And even if there is people lack the ability to do it, becasue at the end of the day its far to complex for them.

Then there are facts that they  dont know or even if they do they dont understand.

For example, GT3s succesor was out about the time PS2 was hitting 80 million.  So GT3 sales were pretty much stoped by Sony by them becasue its replacement was coming.  The whole GT3 sold to a 130m user base is pure bs. 

 

 

 



Hus on 24 June 2010
yo_john117 said:

You think GT5 is gonna sell 20 million and Reach is gonna sell 15M o_0


As nuts as that sounds, it could happen. 

 



thismeintiel on 24 June 2010
Funtime said:

Simple math would dictate that Halo Reach will outsell GT 5 by a fairly large margin barring GT5 getting bundled at some point.

Halo 2 sold 8 million on an install base of 25 million. GT4 sold 14 or so million on an install base of 130 million (roughly).

Halo 3 sold almost 11 million and it launched to an install base of around 18-20 million.

With the current hardware numbers for Sony and MS I don't see how GT has any shot at beating Halo this gen....unless of course it gets bundled.

Or I could use simple math to prove GT5 will sell incredibly.  These are all shipped numbers, BTW.  GT4P sold 1.35 mil units.  Of course, it didn't release here in America.  But, if we add the 1.12 mil that GT5P sold in America that ends up being 2.47 mil GT4P may have sold.  That's only 51% of GT5P's 4.84 mil sold.  So if we apply this calculation to GT4's final sales, 11.05 mil, we can see that GT5 should sell 21.67 mil.  Of course this is just playing with numbers to get a positive result.  Just like some play with the numbers to get a negative result.  And I don't think GT5 will sell even 20 mil.  Most likely 11-14 mil.

For people arguing based on install bases, has this gen (or even last gen) taught you anything?  Install base really means little other than setting a maxium sale barrier, one that is never reached.  I mean if install base alone meant more sales, than no game on the Wii should have a problem hitting 1-2 mil units sold.



 

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Hynad on 24 June 2010
thismeintiel said:
Funtime said:

Simple math would dictate that Halo Reach will outsell GT 5 by a fairly large margin barring GT5 getting bundled at some point.

Halo 2 sold 8 million on an install base of 25 million. GT4 sold 14 or so million on an install base of 130 million (roughly).

Halo 3 sold almost 11 million and it launched to an install base of around 18-20 million.

With the current hardware numbers for Sony and MS I don't see how GT has any shot at beating Halo this gen....unless of course it gets bundled.

For people arguing based on install bases, has this gen (or even last gen) taught you anything?  Install base really means little other than setting a maxium sale barrier, one that is never reached.  I mean if install base alone meant more sales, than no game on the Wii should have a problem hitting 1-2 mil units sold.

 

Attach ratio means nothing.  The bigger the install base, the more diverse the gamer demographic.



yo_john117 on 24 June 2010
Hus said:
yo_john117 said:
 

You think GT5 is gonna sell 20 million and Reach is gonna sell 15M o_0


As nuts as that sounds, it could happen. 

 

Yeah like .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance at best



gustave154 on 24 June 2010
yo_john117 said:
Hus said:
yo_john117 said:
 

You think GT5 is gonna sell 20 million and Reach is gonna sell 15M o_0


As nuts as that sounds, it could happen. 

 

Yeah like .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance at best

theres still a chance LOL



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mornelithe on 24 June 2010

Yeah, my vote is GT5.  It's got a much much longer history and pedigree than the Halo series, and I'm betting there are a large number of people who'll be purchasing a PS3 in order to play GT5.  To say nothing of those who already own PS3's.  I know quite a few people who've been waiting, just for GT5.  So, who knows.

I think though, more importantly, is that the GT series can appeal to pretty much everyone from the hardcore, down to someone who just wants to play around with the car they own in real life, whereas, Halo's following well, let's be honest, it kinda caters to FPS hogs (Nothing wrong with that!). 

Even though I think GT will take it, I think they'll both sell like mad for certain.  Oh and by the way, it's difficult to ascertain the actual sales #'s of GT5:Prologue, as it's also been available for purchase/DL via PSN, since launch day.  Just an FYI.

 



thismeintiel on 24 June 2010
yo_john117 said:
Hus said:
yo_john117 said:
 

You think GT5 is gonna sell 20 million and Reach is gonna sell 15M o_0


As nuts as that sounds, it could happen. 

 

Yeah like .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance at best

Reported for using too manny 0's.