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Hus said:

So i have skimmed many posts and looks like ignorance towards GT is as strong as ever on here.  Prologue is nearing 5 million, and some are predicting that for the full GT release... haha hahah hahahahahhahaha.

Lets just think.  Yamagichi has managed to partner GT5 up with these little known brands.

WRC
Nascar
Redbull F1
Top Gear



The problem with Prologue is that it was never a full price title and was included with most consoles for a large period of time. Mine came with it.

If ODST was released at £17.99 like Prologue then ODST's sales would be a lot higher.

The question is how many of those people will pay the £39.99 for the full game?

We will see.

 



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Hynad said:

Solid_Snake4RD, maybe a little research on the meaning of "attach ratio" would do you good.


oh i know the meaning of it but people saying HALO has the highest attach ratio is also because XBOX and  XBOX 360 were never that diverse and highelling consoles and that contributes to the high attach ratio of HALO



Of course its a possibility, its a possibilty that it wont as well.  Anyone who denies that is just being a fanboy.   And it looks like they are already here in bunches. 

I personally believe the GT5 will outsell Halo Reach.  Oddly enough for the same reason most in here are saying it wont sell well.  The userbase.  I believe GT5 will sell a minimum of 10M,  looking to end closer to 13M,  can Halo Reach beat that?   Sure it can.



Oh My God!!! A lot of joking about Gran Turismo in this thread.

Forza??? LOL.

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue sold near 5 million (VGC track only physical sales... no digital)... just a Demo.

First Week without digital download: 654,944
LTD  without digital download: 3,756,777
LTD digital  download (estimate): over 1 million

All of Win!!!



Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
mangoman10 said:

maybe COD BO will be outselling both on X360 and PS3 respectively.

 

CoD MW2 is the highest selling game of X360(in few months it will outsell Halo3) and

 

PS3..[(CoD MW2 sales)>(god of war3 killzone 2 uncharted 3)sales]

Black ops is exclusive to 360 this year. Was announced at E3.

only DLC and map packs like MW2


Well yeah, but a COD fan will know this.



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Hyruken said:
Hus said:

So i have skimmed many posts and looks like ignorance towards GT is as strong as ever on here.  Prologue is nearing 5 million, and some are predicting that for the full GT release... haha hahah hahahahahhahaha.

Lets just think.  Yamagichi has managed to partner GT5 up with these little known brands.

WRC
Nascar
Redbull F1
Top Gear



The problem with Prologue is that it was never a full price title and was included with most consoles for a large period of time. Mine came with it.

If ODST was released at £17.99 like Prologue then ODST's sales would be a lot higher.

The question is how many of those people will pay the £39.99 for the full game?

We will see.

 

Mr Hus.

GT5 will contain 'NO' F1 cars. Redbull cannot choose whether to allow Sony to have their car. The decision for any F1 car to appear in anything other than broadcast is Bernie Ecclestones decision. Not Redbull. 

And Codemasters own the exclusive rights to F1 right now. You do know Red Bull are in Rallying and other forms of Motorsport right?

WRC, Nascar are not what will sell GT5. Poor implementations of 1 or 2 tracks with no Career or official season is a bad idea. The game will feel unfinished in these areas becasue of this. If I play GT5 it will be to play GT5, not the 1 track addons of fully fledge actual sports. 

WRC is on it's way. A rally fan will buy that over GT5 any day of the week. F1 2010 is on it's way. That is more important to me. And there are plenty of full season Nascar games out there. 

The people who are looking forward to GT5 are the sames GT fans. Not Rally or Nascar fans. No fan will get excited for a single track in their beloved sport. They will buy the licensed game.



selnor said:
The people who are looking forward to GT5 are the sames GT fans. Not Rally or Nascar fans. No fan will get excited for a single track in their beloved sport. They will buy the licensed game.

Agree... just over 10 million GT fans.



selnor said:
Hyruken said:
Hus said:

So i have skimmed many posts and looks like ignorance towards GT is as strong as ever on here.  Prologue is nearing 5 million, and some are predicting that for the full GT release... haha hahah hahahahahhahaha.

Lets just think.  Yamagichi has managed to partner GT5 up with these little known brands.

WRC
Nascar
Redbull F1
Top Gear



The problem with Prologue is that it was never a full price title and was included with most consoles for a large period of time. Mine came with it.

If ODST was released at £17.99 like Prologue then ODST's sales would be a lot higher.

The question is how many of those people will pay the £39.99 for the full game?

We will see.

 

Mr Hus.

GT5 will contain 'NO' F1 cars. Redbull cannot choose whether to allow Sony to have their car. The decision for any F1 car to appear in anything other than broadcast is Bernie Ecclestones decision. Not Redbull. 

As you're aware, F1 cars have already appeared on a Gran Turismo title.

GT5p had the Ferrari F2007 car, just as Gran Turismo PSP had it as well. 

And since GT5 and GT PSP will have direct data transfer for the garage cars, you can transfer the Ferrari F1 F2007 car to GT5. 

Even if no other F1 cars are added to GT5, GT5 will always have at least one F1 car.

Also, here's a link to the official RBR site: http://www.redbull.com/cs/Satellite/en_INT/Article/Gran-Turismo-5---Fuelled-By-Red-Bull-Racing-021242863182148

Take particular attention to this paragraph, which doesn't confirm a RBR F1 car in GT5, true, but it hints heavily to it: "For months the F1 team has been working with Polyphony, the company behind the game after Red Bull was asked to become part of the latest chapter: GT5 – The Real Driving Simulator."



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Seriously, the amount of arrogance and bullshitting is through the roof in here.

 

People are stating their opinion as if they were facts, with nothing (read: nothing) to back their claims.  It's pitiful actually.  It looks (read: looks) like a fanboy war all over again.   Halo or Gran Turismo will do better because it will do better is basically the only argument I've read here.  Stating the attach rate is ludicrous.  I could do my own spin and state that when Gran Turismo 3 came out, the install base was nowhere near what it is right now.  GT3 came out in 2001.  A game usually sells the better of its number during its first 2 years.  At this point in time, the PS2 install base was at roughly 46.5 milion yet GT3 still sold over 14 milion. You could debate that the game sold a lot even passed it's first 2 years, But anyone following the sales Chartz will notice a game barely have any legs passed the 2 years - 2 1/2 years mark (there are few rare exceptions). 

Now, the PS3's current install base ir roughly 10 milion below what the PS2 was 2 years after the release of GT3.  But an other factor comes into play. Hype.  From my observation, the hype for GT5 is at least similar if not above the one surrounding Halo: Reach.  Similar because both are the most popular and lucrative first party franchises for each respective console, yet different because in GT 5's case, it is the first main entry in the series on the console and the amount of new features and polish in that game compared to its predecessors completely dwarfs Halo: Reach's. 

Now, when people talk about the attach rate, it should be taken into consideration based on when the actual game was still selling itself.  GT4 didn't sell as well as GT3 and there are many potential and reasonable reasons for that.  For one, many could have seen it as not big enough a step up to warrant the purchase of it, having spent the countless hours of gameplay on the first outing of the console already, and not willing to do it all over again (the game still sold over 10 milion copies anyway).  It could also be that the franchise had become a bit stale in the mind of gamers and they lost interest (it still sold over 10 milion copies). It could also mean that because the PS2's install base is so huge, so is the diversity of gamers preferences going to be huge. Or, it could be all the above combined or any other speculative reasons I didn't brought up here. 

You can  play with numbers and speculate all you want just like I just did.  But to state that one is definitely going to sell better than the other is nothing but pure speculations.  When you say your opinion is right, or state it in a manner that points in a similar direction, when talking about something that has yet to be proven right or wrong is completely arrogant, and immensely childish. 

 

@Selnor: Just like you to pretend to know every single persons who buy the Gran Turismo games.  ¬_¬



lestatdark said:
selnor said:
Hyruken said:
Hus said:

So i have skimmed many posts and looks like ignorance towards GT is as strong as ever on here.  Prologue is nearing 5 million, and some are predicting that for the full GT release... haha hahah hahahahahhahaha.

Lets just think.  Yamagichi has managed to partner GT5 up with these little known brands.

WRC
Nascar
Redbull F1
Top Gear



The problem with Prologue is that it was never a full price title and was included with most consoles for a large period of time. Mine came with it.

If ODST was released at £17.99 like Prologue then ODST's sales would be a lot higher.

The question is how many of those people will pay the £39.99 for the full game?

We will see.

 

Mr Hus.

GT5 will contain 'NO' F1 cars. Redbull cannot choose whether to allow Sony to have their car. The decision for any F1 car to appear in anything other than broadcast is Bernie Ecclestones decision. Not Redbull. 

As you're aware, F1 cars have already appeared on a Gran Turismo title.

GT5p had the Ferrari F2007 car, just as Gran Turismo PSP had it as well. 

And since GT5 and GT PSP will have direct data transfer for the garage cars, you can transfer the Ferrari F1 F2007 car to GT5. 

Even if no other F1 cars are added to GT5, GT5 will always have at least one F1 car.

Also, here's a link to the official RBR site: http://www.redbull.com/cs/Satellite/en_INT/Article/Gran-Turismo-5---Fuelled-By-Red-Bull-Racing-021242863182148

Take particular attention to this paragraph, which doesn't confirm a RBR F1 car in GT5, true, but it hints heavily to it: "For months the F1 team has been working with Polyphony, the company behind the game after Red Bull was asked to become part of the latest chapter: GT5 – The Real Driving Simulator."

Arent you supposed to be able to do the same as with GT5P as well?   Which also has the Ferrari F1 car in it.