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megaman79 said:

The thing that upsets me about this is that it will be completely ignored by the mainstream media.

Well, if its not fixed, and it really does sell 3 million before Christmas MS are going to have ANOTHER major PR disaster clearly.

If it makes you feel better, Kinect gets a lot of coverage on BBC radio 1, anything Kinect related gets reported on, they are practically billing it as the 2nd coming of gaming.



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NJ5 said:
I asked one of the two members of Forza development studio Turn 10 if I could play their demo sitting down. They said I could not, that it was "optimized for standing."

How are you supposed to accelerate and brake then?

Voice recognition.


Accellerate by going "VRRRRRM VVRRRRRRRMMMM VVVRRRRRRMMMMM"

Brake by screeching in staccato.



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Sometimes I wonder if Kinect is a little too ahead of it's time. Best of luck to them.



 

 

AlkamistStar said:

I don't see why Microsoft would encourage players to sit down to showcase their games at E3 when the point is to get them to be active, and engage themselves with Kinect.

I agree, IF they are showing them a casual game that is obviously designed for a person in a standing position. Now, if the demo was for a person persuing the movie selections on Live, wouldn't it make PERFECT sense to have the person doing the demo, seated in a nice comfy sofa seat? Kind of sells that part of the functionality as opposed to standing up. Yes, we can say voice recognition is "optimised" for persuing a movie selection but don't go doing this "Minority Report" style functionality if is it's not perfect. I want to be seated to do this.

Forza...same thing, in real life i walk around a car to look at it, i don't sit down and magically float around the sides to check out the fenders, and tires.

Already mentioned, but once you get into the car, is it natural to stand when driving? In fact, is it natural to not even have the tactile feel of a wheel and the resistance of the pedals? For optimised driving, you would want a wheel and pedal for the obvious emulation that this has with real life. This same rule applies to any motion control setup. Just don't use it. Did I see Halo3 with Kinect?

To go as far as saying Kinect will ONLY support games that you stand while playing is ridiculous, especially since that's not confirmed, it's more of a rumor as it stands (see what i did there).

Nobody is really saying this. It appears we are all just looking for a definitive answer which has been strangly missing from any official source and yet the speculation continues. The "specualtion" is far from debunked.

In any case some games will require you to stand because "depending on the game or experience" it's warranted. I wouldn't play Wii Fit sitting down, so why would i for Fitness Evolved?

This is obvious, but at the same time, there are many fitness positions that start and are performed in a sitting style position. It will be interesting to see how this works.

Obviously Kinect will shine with applications/games that a motion control of it's style is suited to. I just don't think it or any full motion body tracking controller is suited to ALL styles and genre's of game. Kinect clearly seems to be aimed at the casual game market. I doubt any Halo game would utilise it seriously.

The traditional game controller is probably here to stay. WiiMote and Move are simply an "inbetween" paradigm between a traditional hand controller and Kinect. In that respect, WiiMote and Move probably have more versatility however Kinect probably has more specific and more radical applications which can be a great thing.

One thing I know, If I was playing any Forza or GT game, give me a wheel and pedal any day. Move aside Move and Kinect. Both are just gimmicks for a car game. But, by all means use the camera tracking for something practical like head direction tracking when in a cockpit view.



Oh boy, if you really can't sit to play this thing, it is going to be a flop of epic proportions. Nobody is going to be able to play games on it for long periods of time. Imagine every game being like Wii Fit. It just won't work.



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Yeah but I seriously don't think that will be the case. I think you will be able to sit. If you can't sit? Well that's quite an oversight because it will add a limitation to what Kinect can be used for.



I noticed last years E3 conference showed video's of people sitting so the fact that they still can't do software with people sitting shows the product just is not ready for the market. With several glitches pointed out at this E3 I have serious doubts as to the products ability to deliver on many promises.

I think Microsoft should delay Kinect until all the bugs are worked out. If that takes another 2-3 years so be it. If Kinect gets to market buggy and unable to be played sitting down, Microsoft will loose a ton of potential consumers. They may be developing software for recognition sitting down that they hope to patch on after release but seriously consumers are not going to like it if Microsoft fails to deliver on promises.

I thought when I saw the video's at last E3 that sitting was already working. I thought the product was finished but if sitting is not working right now it likely won't be in four months, and if the other glitches are also unresolved by then Microsoft better cut its losses and delay the thing.

Nintendo sometimes delays games like up to 5 years, Microsoft should take note. If Kinect isn't 100% then don't launch the thing!



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So SP1 for Kinect 3 months after release? :)



The problem could be in the fact that normal people put their armchairs and sofas not too close to the TV, unless they are shortsighted, and Kinect's relatively low resolution could make difficult to properly detect the actions of a sitting person at its longest working distances.

 

Edit @Homeroids:

You are an unhealable optimist! No MS product ever worked before SP3!!!      



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The Kotaku article has been updated with a statement from a Micosoft spokesperson confirming that gesture control for the dashboard does not work while seated as of this time:

UPDATE: A Microsoft spokesperson told me after the publication of this article that the company is certain that Kinect gesture control will work for movies, ESPN and other "entertainment" features before the sensor is launched. As I originally reported, that is not an implemented feature yet. The spokesperson was not able to provide any update on the Kinect's tolerance of a person who sits while playing games.