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These genres were probably the quickest to bust out a game for.  Perhaps devs needed more time to make something.  Especially with hardware that has been under developmend, changed, and evolved as much as Kinect.

Having said that, the UI for Your Shape looks great.  I even put forth the idea of having menu items and buttons being relative to your body. 

Also, there was no mention of Fable 3 using Natal, wonder if that was dropped.



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I always said that while Natal/Kinect seems very promising at first sight, it will prove to only work well on three types of games:

  • sports games
  • fitness games
  • EyeToy-like Minigame collections

Okay, I didn't think of dance games at first, but apart from those I consider the collection of launch titles a complete confirmation.

Thing is: I expect Kinect to be successful in games where people see a real advantage in playing games like this. For example they are trying to produce Kinect racing games, but there's simply no advantage in playing Forza without buttons but with noticable lag. People will try it out, they'll think it's fun when racing their first track, they'll start to see the problems on their second track, and they'll be using the controller again on the third track.

It's just the same problem with the Wii. Everyone was fascinated at first, but time showed that there are simply not that many genres that really benefit from motion controls.

The other problem is that due to the controllerless nature, most Kinect games require lots of body movement, a lot more than any Wii game does. People will be exhausted within minutes, and they will only keep playing if they don't care or actually want to move their body that much.

If you keep these things in mind, there are 2-3 types of games that are just perfect for Kinect: In dance and fitness games, you definitely want to move your body a lot. Kinect is absolutely perfect for a game like "Your shape". You may also like the fitness aspect when playing sports games like this, or at least you'll be willing to accept it because sports are all about moving your body. It will feel way more realistic than playing with a controller, hence it can be considered an advantage.

If you wonder why there are no games from a certain other genre - maybe the thousands of developers around the globe really simply didn't think of the genre, but chances are they actually considered them but at some stage they realized that all in all Kinect would rather be a disadvantage.



So how much does a Wii and Wii Fit with the board cost? I think if you market the games and system correctly and the price is reasonable i.e. what a person was willing to pay for access to Wii Fit then I see no issues. The Ubisoft fitness game will make a lot of that market reach for its credit card.

I see no issue with this line up at launch I also see no issue that the core gamer is not catered for. I actually think the average core game on the 360 or PS3 for that matter is not really ready for these types of controls.



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Rainbird said:

Honestly, right now Child of Eden looks like the best game for Kinect for me, and that's a downloadable game!

According to Amazon, it's a $60 retail game (and it will be worth every penny!).

But yeah, Microsoft seems to be throwing stuff at a wall with Kinect. It's almost like the whole point of this project is to show all the Nintendo haters just how smart the Big N really is.



More games are going to be announced over the coming months IIRC.

 

The core games will come, it'll just take time compared to Move, where most devs have had practice on the wii to create similar control schemes for the.

As for the launch, the only thing I would change now is the release, it's 6 weeks between Move and Kinect, they need to whittle that down to 4.



 

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I agree on the launch window and the Sony pricing gave the impression it was cheap. Kinect cannot do that so it will have to be cheap and closer to the Move launch.



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Very much so. Kinect doesnt look like a copy. It looks like the next thing. It's a Wii upgrade. Kinect sports for example is body motion. Wii Bowling for instance can be won sat on the sofa. This is impossible with Kinect. Kinect gets 'you' involved by making your entire skeletal structure the controller for each part of the character onscreen.

You need no extra controllers. Instantly 4 player. No addons needed. 

A £199 ( $299 ) Kinect 360 250gb bundle with a game will sell out XMAS. 

It's my opinion. But Kinect is being viewed by mainstream public as the future. Not a wii copy. 

Regardless of what us Hardcore ever think.

When you look at the software line up, it does indeed look very much like a copy of what the Wii has already shown and what the Eye toy showed like seven year's ago. You also talk about how Kinect is an upgrade as if it is the only option available, the Move got a much more positive reception and it also offer's a HD upgrade. Your also downplaying the Wii as if it wouldn't be competitive any more in that market because Kinect is some how better, reports have shown that it isn't perfect. 

Microsoft also haven't announced a Kinect price, they also haven't given any hint leading toward's a $299 bundle, what your doing is randomly speculating what could happen. 

The mainstream media has been pretty bare on Kinect, from what I've seen a few outlet's have been positive and the overwhelming majority has been negative. The gaming press is also negative. 

The hardcore is what the 360 relies on at the moment, they gave us nothing new at E3 except for a decent Slim model and an interesting user interface. You can't expect that just because it's casual, the casual buyers will swarm on the product as if it is the second coming.

Your insulting the intelligence of casual buyer's by assuming they buy anything cute and shiny and don't also judge a product  based on it's performance and functionality.



Bet with Conegamer and AussieGecko that the PS3 will have more exclusives in 2011 than the Wii or 360... or something.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3879752

Doobie_wop said:

Very much so. Kinect doesnt look like a copy. It looks like the next thing. It's a Wii upgrade. Kinect sports for example is body motion. Wii Bowling for instance can be won sat on the sofa. This is impossible with Kinect. Kinect gets 'you' involved by making your entire skeletal structure the controller for each part of the character onscreen.

You need no extra controllers. Instantly 4 player. No addons needed. 

A £199 ( $299 ) Kinect 360 250gb bundle with a game will sell out XMAS. 

It's my opinion. But Kinect is being viewed by mainstream public as the future. Not a wii copy. 

Regardless of what us Hardcore ever think.

When you look at the software line up, it does indeed look very much like a copy of what the Wii has already shown and what the Eye toy showed like seven year's ago. You also talk about how Kinect is an upgrade as if it is the only option available, the Move got a much more positive reception and it also offer's a HD upgrade. Your also downplaying the Wii as if it wouldn't be competitive any more in that market because Kinect is some how better, reports have shown that it isn't perfect. 

Microsoft also haven't announced a Kinect price, they also haven't given any hint leading toward's a $299 bundle, what your doing is randomly speculating what could happen. 

The mainstream media has been pretty bare on Kinect, from what I've seen a few outlet's have been positive and the overwhelming majority has been negative. The gaming press is also negative. 

The hardcore is what the 360 relies on at the moment, they gave us nothing new at E3 except for a decent Slim model and an interesting user interface. You can't expect that just because it's casual, the casual buyers will swarm on the product as if it is the second coming.

Your insulting the intelligence of casual buyer's by assuming they buy anything cute and shiny and don't also judge a product  based on it's performance and functionality.

Move had a positive reception with the hardcore gamers. The gaming media.

I dont see Move on morning TV shows, with the casuals loving it do you?

It's best to leave it as our own opinions here. IMO Kinect will outsell Move 5:1 at least.

 

EDIt: The mainstream media are loving this. Dont twist it. It's in todays newspaper in UK to. With the headline, Wii all need to get Kinected this Xmas.



badgenome said:
Rainbird said:

Honestly, right now Child of Eden looks like the best game for Kinect for me, and that's a downloadable game!

According to Amazon, it's a $60 retail game (and it will be worth every penny!).

But yeah, Microsoft seems to be throwing stuff at a wall with Kinect. It's almost like the whole point of this project is to show all the Nintendo haters just how smart the Big N really is.

Sweet! I just thought it was downloadable game.

But yeah, they're really going after one audience mainly, and without more games that appeal to me, I'm really thinking hard about buying a 3DS instead of a 360.



selnor said:
Doobie_wop said:

Very much so. Kinect doesnt look like a copy. It looks like the next thing. It's a Wii upgrade. Kinect sports for example is body motion. Wii Bowling for instance can be won sat on the sofa. This is impossible with Kinect. Kinect gets 'you' involved by making your entire skeletal structure the controller for each part of the character onscreen.

You need no extra controllers. Instantly 4 player. No addons needed. 

A £199 ( $299 ) Kinect 360 250gb bundle with a game will sell out XMAS. 

It's my opinion. But Kinect is being viewed by mainstream public as the future. Not a wii copy. 

Regardless of what us Hardcore ever think.

When you look at the software line up, it does indeed look very much like a copy of what the Wii has already shown and what the Eye toy showed like seven year's ago. You also talk about how Kinect is an upgrade as if it is the only option available, the Move got a much more positive reception and it also offer's a HD upgrade. Your also downplaying the Wii as if it wouldn't be competitive any more in that market because Kinect is some how better, reports have shown that it isn't perfect. 

Microsoft also haven't announced a Kinect price, they also haven't given any hint leading toward's a $299 bundle, what your doing is randomly speculating what could happen. 

The mainstream media has been pretty bare on Kinect, from what I've seen a few outlet's have been positive and the overwhelming majority has been negative. The gaming press is also negative. 

The hardcore is what the 360 relies on at the moment, they gave us nothing new at E3 except for a decent Slim model and an interesting user interface. You can't expect that just because it's casual, the casual buyers will swarm on the product as if it is the second coming.

Your insulting the intelligence of casual buyer's by assuming they buy anything cute and shiny and don't also judge a product  based on it's performance and functionality.

Move had a positive reception with the hardcore gamers. The gaming media.

I dont see Move on morning TV shows, with the casuals loving it do you?

It's best to leave it as our own opinions here. IMO Kinect will outsell Move 5:1 at least.

 

EDIt: The mainstream media are loving this. Dont twist it. It's in todays newspaper in UK to. With the headline, Wii all need to get Kinected this Xmas.

The Seattle Times gave a negative review, The Age gave it a negative review and the Melbourne media has been pretty 'meh' on the whole thing, just saying that it isn't as overwhelmingly positive as your making it out. You also didn't reply to anything else I said, which I find kinda weird. 

I'm not going to argue any further though, you seem to have your mind set as you've been touring around the forums spitting Microsoft PR, which is ok, I just don't think Microsoft deserves such a enthusiastic fan as you after their conference.



Bet with Conegamer and AussieGecko that the PS3 will have more exclusives in 2011 than the Wii or 360... or something.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3879752