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Grunt06 said:

Sony still believes in supporting people who make hardcore games. Microsoft has put the hardcore on hold to try to capture the casuals. Sony didn't spend near as much time talking about Move as Microsoft spent talking Kinect! I think Sony showed off more games to and had more bomb shells like Twisted Metal. Microsoft is hurting their self by trying to capture the casuals without keeping their hardcore fans satisfied!


And that "Sorcery" game alone beat all those Kinect games to a pulp IMO.



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Porcupine_I said:
Grunt06 said:

Sony still believes in supporting people who make hardcore games. Microsoft has put the hardcore on hold to try to capture the casuals. Sony didn't spend near as much time talking about Move as Microsoft spent talking Kinect! I think Sony showed off more games to and had more bomb shells like Twisted Metal. Microsoft is hurting their self by trying to capture the casuals without keeping their hardcore fans satisfied!


And that "Sorcery" game alone beat all those Kinect games to a pulp IMO.


I agree man, I agree! The sad part is the game didn't even interest me but tech wise works better than anything for Kinect.



Grunt06 said:
red_dragon said:
Grunt06 said:

Sony still believes in supporting people who make hardcore games. Microsoft has put the hardcore on hold to try to capture the casuals. Sony didn't spend near as much time talking about Move as Microsoft spent talking Kinect! I think Sony showed off more games to and had more bomb shells like Twisted Metal. Microsoft is hurting their self by trying to capture the casuals without keeping their hardcore fans satisfied!


Totally agree but Sony is allowing developers to play around with the system. Look at Unreal Tournament it got Mod support for the PS3 only. Look at FF14, it was developed first for the 360 but problems with Microsoft allowed Sony to jump in and get exclusivity. Valve will now favor the PS3 over the 360 because they can integrate Steam stuff with it.

Yeah Sony is letting developers do everything that they can't to with the 360. It was crazy this year, every multiplatform game was demonstrated on PS3. I think Sony is slowly turning into the Sony power house they once were! I'm happy to see developers not looked scared to come out on Sony's stage and present their games!

Um no. The reason the 3rd party multiplat games were shown on Sony's conference was due to M$ not having anywhere near time. They had to much Kinect stuff to show the world. 

M$ conference was 20 mins longer than Sony's. And still they couldnt barely fit all the Kinect lauch stuff.

They both focused on different audiences. And yet M$ still showed only 1 less core exclusive than Sony. 



@ OP.

The stuff your on about onyl caters for a small gamer audience who are on PC anyway. Why would they buy a PS3 to use the same they do on PC.

The general audience for console gamers wont know what Steam even is. It's PC gamers who want this.

Sony are hurting themsleves. No charge for online. Uncontrolled Modding allowed. ( Where again they lose money ).

You may say M$ is greedy. But in business site, it's provides a more stable and feature filled online service. Live is phenominal becasue of how much money is thrown there way. 

Check the sales on Dec. M$ will be in a great position with huge increases.



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JaggedSac said:
red_dragon said:
JaggedSac said:

What does Steam bring to PS3?


It's the Steam Cloud. If I am reading it right Sony and the PC can share save games. Like I can play it on the PC and use my PC save on the PS3.

Thats pretty neat.  Is it buy once, play on both?

Steam for PS3 could very well mean buy once and own on PC, Mac (as of a few weeks ago), and PS3.  Which would be incredible.  While not as enraging to fanboys as the FFXIII announcement, the ramifications of this one could really be mind-bogglingly huge...  it's kind of scary to think about.



 

Alic0004 said:
JaggedSac said:
red_dragon said:
JaggedSac said:

What does Steam bring to PS3?


It's the Steam Cloud. If I am reading it right Sony and the PC can share save games. Like I can play it on the PC and use my PC save on the PS3.

Thats pretty neat.  Is it buy once, play on both?

Steam for PS3 could very well mean buy once and own on PC, Mac (as of a few weeks ago), and PS3.  Which would be incredible.  While not as enraging to fanboys as the FFXIII announcement, the ramifications of this one could really be mind-bogglingly huge...  it's kind of scary to think about.

If that happens it will just be for Valve games.  Video game companies like ea, activision etc are too greedy to do something like that.  They want to sale the console and pc versions of the same game separate.  They would lose too much money if they said you can buy one version and carry it over to a different game platform for free.



Microsoft is going for a new audience. I think the hardcore one is tapped out for the Xbox.  

Sony will follow next.



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lostintheodyssey said:
Alic0004 said:
JaggedSac said:
red_dragon said:
JaggedSac said:

What does Steam bring to PS3?


It's the Steam Cloud. If I am reading it right Sony and the PC can share save games. Like I can play it on the PC and use my PC save on the PS3.

Thats pretty neat.  Is it buy once, play on both?

Steam for PS3 could very well mean buy once and own on PC, Mac (as of a few weeks ago), and PS3.  Which would be incredible.  While not as enraging to fanboys as the FFXIII announcement, the ramifications of this one could really be mind-bogglingly huge...  it's kind of scary to think about.

If that happens it will just be for Valve games.  Video game companies like ea, activision etc are too greedy to do something like that.  They want to sale the console and pc versions of the same game separate.  They would lose too much money if they said you can buy one version and carry it over to a different game platform for free.

Yes, it will definitely just be for Valve games.  Even more significant than buying once for multiple platforms is the possibility that Valve could make their awesome modding community's work accesible to players on the PS3, expanding the audience for their user made mods signicantly.  Valve games and Steam could become like another LBP on PSN.  I could be wrong, but I suspect this is part of the draw of the PSN community, as we know microsoft won't allow stuff to be integrated like that on Live at this point.



 

Alic0004 said:
lostintheodyssey said:
Alic0004 said:
JaggedSac said:
red_dragon said:
JaggedSac said:

What does Steam bring to PS3?


It's the Steam Cloud. If I am reading it right Sony and the PC can share save games. Like I can play it on the PC and use my PC save on the PS3.

Thats pretty neat.  Is it buy once, play on both?

Steam for PS3 could very well mean buy once and own on PC, Mac (as of a few weeks ago), and PS3.  Which would be incredible.  While not as enraging to fanboys as the FFXIII announcement, the ramifications of this one could really be mind-bogglingly huge...  it's kind of scary to think about.

If that happens it will just be for Valve games.  Video game companies like ea, activision etc are too greedy to do something like that.  They want to sale the console and pc versions of the same game separate.  They would lose too much money if they said you can buy one version and carry it over to a different game platform for free.

Yes, it will definitely just be for Valve games.  Even more significant than buying once for multiple platforms is the possibility that Valve could make their awesome modding community's work accesible to players on the PS3, expanding the audience for their user made mods signicantly.  Valve games and Steam could become like another LBP on PSN.  I could be wrong, but I suspect this is part of the draw of the PSN community, as we know microsoft won't allow stuff to be integrated like that on Live at this point.

If it happens it seems like it will be a good thing for ps3 owners.