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disolitude on 11 June 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
disolitude said:

Reason Ms is silent is because they have no money to make off 3D.

The best dividens they could hope for by introducing 3D is to boost sales of the console slightly. However to do that, they have to make it a lot more user friendly than PS3.

There are 6 million existing 3D TV owners who can't use the PS3, not because their TV is not capable of showing 3D which PS3 is outputting...but because PS3 will not even turn 3D on unless your TV has HDMI 1.4.

There are also many millions of 120 hz monitor owners, CRT owners and projector users who can do 3D gaming but are left out in the cold for with the PS3 since it requires HDMI 1.4.

If 360 is able to introduce 3D which works for these users, it will easily make a bigger impact than PS3, which requires you to buy a brand new TV.


PS3 is HDMI 1.3

 

and HDMI 1.4 is backward compatible

 

PS3 will work with HDMI 1.3 3D TV's just that almost all new 3DTV's are HDMI 1.4


No it wont. Sony is blocking 1.3 devices.  People have confirmed it that it needs HDMI 1.4 Go look around on forums...



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Solid_Snake4RD on 11 June 2010
twesterm said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
twesterm said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
twesterm said:
disolitude said:

Reason Ms is silent is because they have no money to make off 3D.

The best dividens they could hope for by introducing 3D is to boost sales of the console slightly. However to do that, they have to make it a lot more user friendly than PS3.

There are 6 million existing 3D TV owners who can't use the PS3, not because their TV is not capable of showing 3D which PS3 is outputting...but because PS3 will not even turn 3D on unless your TV has HDMI 1.4.

There are also many millions of 120 hz monitor owners, CRT owners and projector users who can do 3D gaming but are left out in the cold for with the PS3 since it requires HDMI 1.4.

If 360 is able to introduce 3D which works for these users, it will easily make a bigger impact than PS3, which requires you to buy a brand new TV.

Actually, I think the biggest hinderence to 3D gaming is simply the glasses, that's where Nintendo got things right.


on a big TV without glass the 3Dimage will only be available if you sit stright infront of the screen.not so much on a small screen


Right, that's why the glasses suck-- you pretty much have to have them and it just plain sucks having to have them.  They get smudged easily, they're annoying to wear because they're those terrible unisex glasses, and you have to have a pair for every possible person that might watch. 

When I'm watching TV by myself, I'm actually usually slightly left, when I'm watching TV with my wife, I'm always on the left and she's on the right.  The only time I'm ever in the middle of my couch is when I'm playing a game and even that's not 100%.

I've had as many as eight people crammed into my living rooms to watch movies, does that mean I need eight pairs of glasses?

Again, that's where Nintendo is doing things right-- you don't need the glasses.  Ever.


yeah but NINTENDO isn't giving you action on a 70' screen but a tiny one

 


It's like you're saying consoles are automatically better than handhelds because they're on a bigger screen which is just...wrong.

Yes, consoles work on larger screens but that's kind of a moot point.  When the draw is 3D and that draw is just plain inconvenient, it's a fail.

no i didn't say handheld are worse than consoles

 

just that for the bigger action we will have to wait

 

 

but i also think that cause being a hardcore gamer we like as much bigger screen and details and everything so if could transport my home around with a big screen i would

 

but you caan't so handheld help you out

 

not that they are not good



twesterm on 11 June 2010
DukeOfLuxembourg said:

@ twesterm
i was talking about 3D-TV where you don't need glasses. i saw that few weeks ago on a TV show where they test all kind of technical stuff. the best 3D TVs were the one where you need active shutter glasses.


Ah, I see.

If they can get 3D TV's working where you don't need glasses and you don't need to be directly in front, then I think we're actually ready for 3D at home.  Until then, there's just too much ranging from cost to the glasses that is going to keep it from being the next big thing.

Right now it's too much money and too much of a hassle with the glasses to make it actually worthwhile.  When the TV's can actually become affordable and you don't need the glasses, then I think more people will be open to it.



 

Solid_Snake4RD on 11 June 2010
disolitude said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:

SO then next GEN will be a 3D FULL HD 1080p GENERATION

PC 3D was at 1080p tech in 2009. Now the PC cutting edge is 3 screen surround at 1080p each...

So I don't know what console "next gen" will be doing...but they surely won't be cutting edge if they do 1080p 3D. :)


can you mplease stop talking about PC

 

most of the entertainment and 3D sles are for TV's

 

don't really care about PC

 

and PC gaming doesn't really matter with their huge strides as they don't really are efficient.



kitler53 on 11 June 2010
twesterm said:
DukeOfLuxembourg said:

@ twesterm
i was talking about 3D-TV where you don't need glasses. i saw that few weeks ago on a TV show where they test all kind of technical stuff. the best 3D TVs were the one where you need active shutter glasses.


Ah, I see.

If they can get 3D TV's working where you don't need glasses and you don't need to be directly in front, then I think we're actually ready for 3D at home.  Until then, there's just too much ranging from cost to the glasses that is going to keep it from being the next big thing.

Right now it's too much money and too much of a hassle with the glasses to make it actually worthwhile.  When the TV's can actually become affordable and you don't need the glasses, then I think more people will be open to it.

glassesless 3D tvs do exist, they just cost...a lot...a lot more then even buying 10 pairs of glasses.

by all means, i'd prefer glassesless options for the home but right now it just isn't feasible.  and if what i read is true the assumed tech in the 3DS, the 3DS won't support multiple users looking at the same screen which is not too big of a deal for what the 3DS is but still not exactly ideal...in an at home tv it would be complete fail.



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disolitude on 11 June 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
disolitude said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:

SO then next GEN will be a 3D FULL HD 1080p GENERATION

PC 3D was at 1080p tech in 2009. Now the PC cutting edge is 3 screen surround at 1080p each...

So I don't know what console "next gen" will be doing...but they surely won't be cutting edge if they do 1080p 3D. :)


can you mplease stop talking about PC

 

most of the entertainment and 3D sles are for TV's

 

don't really care about PC

 

and PC gaming doesn't really matter with their huge strides as they don't really are efficient.

lol, do you realize how silly you sound with this statement? I could prove every line you posted wrong but why bother? Rarely do you post anything accuratly about 3D gaming...



Solid_Snake4RD on 11 June 2010
disolitude said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
disolitude said:

Reason Ms is silent is because they have no money to make off 3D.

The best dividens they could hope for by introducing 3D is to boost sales of the console slightly. However to do that, they have to make it a lot more user friendly than PS3.

There are 6 million existing 3D TV owners who can't use the PS3, not because their TV is not capable of showing 3D which PS3 is outputting...but because PS3 will not even turn 3D on unless your TV has HDMI 1.4.

There are also many millions of 120 hz monitor owners, CRT owners and projector users who can do 3D gaming but are left out in the cold for with the PS3 since it requires HDMI 1.4.

If 360 is able to introduce 3D which works for these users, it will easily make a bigger impact than PS3, which requires you to buy a brand new TV.


PS3 is HDMI 1.3

 

and HDMI 1.4 is backward compatible

 

PS3 will work with HDMI 1.3 3D TV's just that almost all new 3DTV's are HDMI 1.4


No it wont. Sony is blocking 1.3 devices.  People have confirmed it that it needs HDMI 1.4 Go look around on forums...


searched a bit

it isn't that clear but some people are saying it is

 

anyways i found out why it is that

 

as HDMI 1.4 doesn't really have much upgrades.the biggest is Ethernet data channel and 2K HD bandwidth

this is not required for PS3 3D 1080p but they require the software part of HDMI 1.4 specs where it defines how 3D DATA should be carried out

So they essentially made the 3D part or HDMI 1.3 PS3 to HDMI 1.4 just without the ethernet channel and 2K HD support which is not needed

so now they can essentially send uncompressed 3D signals through PS3

 

 

but there is also a way they can output it on HDMI 1.3 if they don't ban it than they can make PS3 uncode the 3D DATA for transfer through HDMI 1.3

 

 

 

This from a SONY executive and HDMI 1.4 consortium.

 

Don't really know if HDMI 1.3 has been locked out as it can be used

 

 

 

anyways how is MS doing it as  SONY can still send 720p 3D than 360 without converting the software part of HDMI 1.3 to HDMI 1.4



Solid_Snake4RD on 11 June 2010
disolitude said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
disolitude said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:

SO then next GEN will be a 3D FULL HD 1080p GENERATION

PC 3D was at 1080p tech in 2009. Now the PC cutting edge is 3 screen surround at 1080p each...

So I don't know what console "next gen" will be doing...but they surely won't be cutting edge if they do 1080p 3D. :)


can you mplease stop talking about PC

 

most of the entertainment and 3D sles are for TV's

 

don't really care about PC

 

and PC gaming doesn't really matter with their huge strides as they don't really are efficient.

lol, do you realize how silly you sound with this statement? I could prove every line you posted wrong but why bother? Rarely do you post anything accuratly about 3D gaming...


I KNOW I SOUND SILLY AS I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT PC gaming

 

i know PC can do alot of stuff but does it really matter as most people game on consoles here and we are basically talking about how the low power consoles DO 3d

 

everytime u take on the topic,of fuck this fuck that PC did that 1000 years ago



Solid_Snake4RD on 11 June 2010
zero129 said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
disolitude said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
disolitude said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:

SO then next GEN will be a 3D FULL HD 1080p GENERATION

PC 3D was at 1080p tech in 2009. Now the PC cutting edge is 3 screen surround at 1080p each...

So I don't know what console "next gen" will be doing...but they surely won't be cutting edge if they do 1080p 3D. :)


can you mplease stop talking about PC

 

most of the entertainment and 3D sles are for TV's

 

don't really care about PC

 

and PC gaming doesn't really matter with their huge strides as they don't really are efficient.

lol, do you realize how silly you sound with this statement? I could prove every line you posted wrong but why bother? Rarely do you post anything accuratly about 3D gaming...


I KNOW I SOUND SILLY AS I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT PC gaming

 

i know PC can do alot of stuff but does it really matter as most people game on consoles here and we are basically talking about how the low power consoles DO 3d

 

everytime u take on the topic,of fuck this fuck that PC did that 1000 years ago

disolitude likes his PC, dont hate on him cos he likes playing his Wii games in 1080P 3D, and likes spending mega bucks to do that. after all he only posts when he needs to about how good his pc is and how he loves 3D gaming ya know...

i really don't intend to but everytime we talk about consoles doing  stuff he brings in the PC thing and consoles have limitations then why even compare



disolitude on 11 June 2010
zero129 said:
 
 

disolitude likes his PC, dont hate on him cos he likes playing his Wii games in 1080P 3D, and likes spending mega bucks to do that. after all he only posts when he needs to about how good his pc is and how he loves 3D gaming ya know...

Why don't you go post in one of darths Final Fantasy threads and let grown men talk about 3D?

@SolidSnake

Talking about 3D gaming and not menitoning the PC is like ignoring the elephant in the room. Or like ignoring Wii console sales.

Making statements like "Next gen is the 1080p 3D gen" is just downright false. Gaming on the PC is a huge market, is doing 1080p, and while you may choose to ignore it, isn't going anywhere. Especially when it comes to 3D...

And its not too expensive. You can get a PC rig and surround yourself with 3 24 inch 3D monitors or get 80 inch DLP projector screen set up, play all the latest games in mindblowing 3D, watch 3D blurays...for less than 3000 dollars. Most new 3D TV's start at 2000 dollars and up so I don't see why you choose to ignore 3D PC cost wise...

Also, to go back to our previous topic, its been confirmed on AVSforums, Nvidia forums and sony forums that PS3 requires HDMI 1.4 handshake to show 3D for the 4 games. It does not work on HDMI 1.3. PS3 does not need or have HDMI 1.4, but it requires the TV to have it. You can make the conclusion to why...

But the good news is that people already have workarounds using HDMI detective tools in fooling the PS3, Direct TV and all other HDMI 1.4 devices...