...No More Heroes is about as niche as gameso f that kind can get. The fact that it's so steeped in punk subculture automatically makes it niche, its ultraviolence makes it niche, its swearing and eye-bleeding anime aesthetic make it nice.

Its sales prove it to be niche. Pretending that it is as mainstream as Monster Hunter Tri - a game that will have 400-500% of its sales - is dishonest.

Did you even take the time to take a look at this?

 Monster Hunter Series' sales Charts

Now see how all games perform outside of Japan.  Might be more popular in Japan, especially the PSP games, but I wouldn't call a Monster Hunter game the definition of mainstream in the west.  In fact, except for the PSP games, the series hasn't been selling all that much, considering the console install base behind them. ^_-

Getting straight to the point, how many 3rd party "gamer's" games have sold well on the Wii. Forget core, hardcore, casual, etc. What traditional games targeted towards the traditional gamer has sold well on the Wii? Not many? That's why they're avoiding the Wii.

You can try to play the niche card "MadWorld is niche. Little King's Story is niche. Dead Space Extraction is niche". Ok, if any of you try that excuse....isn't Castlevania niche? So why would Konami go for what is, based on trends, doomed to have low sales on that platform?

When it comes down to it, it's about the cost. While a third party can basicly used the same graphic/art on both HD consoles (as well as PC) yet often they have to totally redo the a lot of the art for the wii.  Most of today's PC games require at least 256mb of GPU ram which is  very compatiable with X360/PS3.

THat has nothing to do with whether or not No More Heroes is niche.

Did I ever say NMH wasn't a niche title?

"As serious as he is calling NMH a niche game. ¬_¬" implies exactly that, yes. So does saying that Monster Hunter Tri is the same as No More Heroes in terms of being niche (which is fallacious and ridiculous since there is an order of magnitude between their sales figures).

Basically, you're saying that because both games don't share the same sale figures, one is niche and the other isn't.

I didn't know Monster Hunter was the gauge to use to know if a game is niche or not.

And you got me wrong.  "As serious as he is calling NMH a niche game. ¬_¬"  Implied that I was being clear enough and that, like his claims were to be taken seriously, so were mine. ¬_¬

And yeah, I call Monster Hunter Tri a niche game.  I've explained myself well enough on that matter and provided numbers.  That you think it is important to put a meter on which to put every games to measure their amount of niche-ness is seriously not my problem.

Please, you've already talked yourself into some weird pseudo-conundrum refuted by sales figures, don't try to drag me into it.

In the first place, I never said Monster Hunter wasn't a niche title. You're the one who equated it with No More Heroes, not me. If anyone tried to use it as a bar, you did.

In the second place, the only comparison between them that I acknowledged was that No More Heroes is necessarily more niche than Monster Hunter Tri. Sales prove tis.

There are varying degrees of niche, in that they fill niches of different sizes.

You really like to argue over nothing, eh?

Here's a thought:  Different sizes of books don't make them into something other than books. ^_-