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AaronSOLDIER on 10 June 2010

Last I checked I'm pretty sure Sony were 1 billion in the black (before PS3 they were around 7 billion but lost 6 billion IIRC).



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stika on 10 June 2010
haxxiy said:
stika said:
haxxiy said:

Why the numbers doesn't match company annoucements? Is this just about only the gaming divisions?

If so, what about the years? Are they considering the fiscal year itself or just the year the announcement is out?

So many things unclear in this one.


Fiscal year.

 

And just the gaming divisions

Then why the 2010 numbers? Fiscal year will be out in some eleven months.

sony's 2010 ends in March 31 2010, it's weird, but that's what I keep seeing all over the internet

but I could be wrong...



superchunk on 10 June 2010

Yeah, I think theSource showed a chart like this not too long ago that also included Nintendo.

I keep saying this gen will be over in 2012 and I still think I have a 98% chance of that happening. However, this chart above and the fact that Nintendo will wait for MS/Sony to make their move first, I could be wrong and it may last a couple more years as MS/Sony are now being profitable and might want to leave the status quo just to keep the profits coming in.

However, for especially MS, I see the expected ROI on pushing out a better designed new hardware in 2012 and being first to market again will outweigh their desire to sit on the current technology.



masschamber on 10 June 2010
mike_intellivision said:

It would be interesting -- for the sake of comparison -- to see Nintendo's profit numbers over the same period.  Everyone always decries every decision Nintendo makes, but it never seems to lose (much if any) money.

Also, both of these current numbers could be of concern to investors as each company is about to launch motion control add-ons, which may or may not make money. Also, another set of price cuts is being speculated, which could also impact profits unless it is associated with a corresponding cut in manufacturing or other costs.

Mike from Morgantown

pfft, if that happens you'll also need make it prints money giffs for every nintendo console, and then how is nintendo supposed to be doomed when they've been in the black for the past quarter of a century?



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De85 on 10 June 2010
Wagram said:

DAMN, look how much Microsoft lost. No wonder there shareholders are pissed.


Those numbers have nothing at all to do with why MS' shareholders are unhappy.  They're upset because the ROI of MS' windows operation is something like 7 times higher than that of Entertainment and Devices and they think the money could be better invested elsewhere.

Investors never look at accumulated gains/losses from years past as a measure of how well the company is doing now, in the present.



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DirtyP2002 on 10 June 2010
De85 said:
Wagram said:

DAMN, look how much Microsoft lost. No wonder there shareholders are pissed.


Those numbers have nothing at all to do with why MS' shareholders are unhappy.  They're upset because the ROI of MS' windows operation is something like 7 times higher than that of Entertainment and Devices and they think the money could be better invested elsewhere.

Investors never look at accumulated gains/losses from years past as a measure of how well the company is doing now, in the present.


95% true. But Investors are not checking how the company is doing now, they are betting on the future. Nobody cares what happened last year.

And there is something you have to think about:

  1. EDD is not Xbox only. Zune, WinMobile, Surface, etc
  2. Both built two very powerful brands. The Playstation brand is big. Sony spent a lot of time and resources for creating a new big brand. Xbox brand keeps getting bigger every day. Brand value is hard to quantify and not included in any way.

 

Nokia used to make rubber boots and nobody cares. True story btw.

 



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