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Gamestop isn't going to suffer from this.

Let's say the game could have been sold back to Gamestop for $30. Now, you get $20. YOU foot the bill, not Gamestop.



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ssj12 said:
Kasz216 said:
ssj12 said:
strunge said:

ssj12 said:

Sorry, I support this and Sony's push for this. I really want GameStop to suffer some and force them to actually price their used games properly instead of buying them from someone for $5 then reselling it for $45. That used game should have been like $20 tops on resale. not $45.

 

if a used game sells for $20, how much do you think they will buy them back for?  they have to buy it for an amount that allows an acceptable profit margin that offsets the loss of money on games that are bought back and then don't sell.  that's basic business 101.  the lower the sales price, the lower the buy back price. 

now, I'm okay with that.  I don't sell games back so I don't care if you want to sell a game back for only $10 so I can buy it for $20, but I am sure thaht isn't what you had in mind, which makes you completely unqualified to comment on the used game market and its pricing.


i know business and GameStop truly sucks at it. I support the retailer Play`n`Trade because they dont screw their customers. They actually pay you a decent amount for games. GameStop offered me $3 for COD3, Play`n`Trade gave me $8. So who would have screwed me, a customer, there? And Play`n`Trade put it on their shelf for $15. GameStop had a copy on their shelf for $24. Also Play`n`Trade buys and sells classic games too. I could rebuy a Dreamcast from the and multiple titles. They even have a sealed copy of Chrono Cross, for $250, in their case.

So its all about who screws over the customer. Its very obvious GameStop does. So if their drives down their prices on used games so be it. They can actually compete with good used game retailers with proper pricing.


You do realize this move also screws Play' N Trade right...


not really siince if GameStop refuses to lower so they can continue screwing their customers like they always do with their used game pricing. Say we take something like a used copy of Madden 11 PSP needs an unlock code. Play`n`trade's price is $15 and GameStop's used price is $20. The unlock costs $10. So at GameStop purchasers still pay more meaning smarter shoppers go to Play`n`Trade to get the games that require online keys because they have the better deals.

Devs win by making money off the used game market, Play`n`Trade wins because they got a new customer, GameStop loses sales due to their piss poor used game model. I see nothing but win, win, win there.

Or... Play and Trade can't afford to sell the game for $15 anymore?  Or whatever they charged for it anyway?

Play and Trades prices will be just as effected by Gamestops.  I mean, you know how buisness pricing plans are made in the buisness right?  It's based soley on price/cost ratios.


Aside from which... previously Play and Trade would give you 8 dollars... gamestop would give you 3.

Now BOTH will give you 3 dollars.  Or Play and Trade will give you 3... and gamestop will give you 1.50.

How is this Win, Win, Win?

Sure your making a higher PERCENTAGE... but your only losing when it comes to REAL benefit your losing.



hmmm, i wonder where this online pass thing will be in a few years and what it might morph in to.



Playstation All-Stars is one of the best games I've played this gen, and is the most fun I've had in a game this gen.

Come one ! I can't understand why that people can support this idea. After the DLC, this ? And what after ?

We were gamer, then consumers. Now, we are sheeps.



Sorry, I'm with EA, Sony, and anyone else that does this.  It doesn't hurt the consumers, it only hurts the used game stores and probably the ma and pa ones at that.

 



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Killy_Vorkosigan said:

Come one ! I can't understand why that people can support this idea. After the DLC, this ? And what after ?

We were gamer, then consumers. Now, we are sheeps.


I in no way support DLC, but companies making money off of there product being sold I do.



twesterm said:

Sorry, I'm with EA, Sony, and anyone else that does this.  It doesn't hurt the consumers, it only hurts the used game stores and probably the ma and pa ones at that.

 


How does it not hurt people who sell the game.  You don't think used game stores are going to start offering less for games that use this voucher?

I'd guess most if not all of the money will come out of the person who sells it's pocket.



Games4Fun said:
Killy_Vorkosigan said:

Come one ! I can't understand why that people can support this idea. After the DLC, this ? And what after ?

We were gamer, then consumers. Now, we are sheeps.


I in no way support DLC, but companies making money off of there product being sold I do.


They did make money off the product they sold... the first time they sold it.  Think about it for a second... how do used copies make it onto the market?

People are unsatisfied with their purchase so they sell it back.

What you are supporting is a mechanism so that companys can double dip on games that are either shitty or have poor replay value.

If a game has a huge problem with used game sales... it probably shows the game isn't worth the money in the first place... since nobody wants to keep it and instead are selling it a rebuying it so fast.

 

Think about this... Game A and Game B sell the same.


Game A, is a game like LBP or TF2, countless new free content so you never get bored with it.so you keep it.

Game B is a generic shooter that's fun for a couple months and most people trade in.

 

Now game B makes more then game A.  You are actually giving companys an incentive to NOT put features in the game to make them last longer.



Kasz216 said:
twesterm said:

Sorry, I'm with EA, Sony, and anyone else that does this.  It doesn't hurt the consumers, it only hurts the used game stores and probably the ma and pa ones at that.

 


How does it not hurt people who sell the game.  You don't think used game stores are going to start offering less for games that use this voucher?

I'd guess most if not all of the money will come out of the person who sells it's pocket.

You might get less for the games but you'll also get used games for less.

If you sell games to buy new ones, then you might lose a small amount but when we're talking in the amounts of $5, it's nothing huge.

If you sell games to buy used ones, you're getting less but you're paying less too.  If you want the online pass that will cost you more, but just pretend it's DLC and it would cost more anyways.

I don't really see why people are bitching so much about this.  If you really don't like it, buy your game new for $59.99 instead of used for $54.99.

Also, I do find it funny that people are wanting to boycott EA for this, except they're the ones buying used EA games and EA doesn't care about them.



twesterm said:
Kasz216 said:
twesterm said:

Sorry, I'm with EA, Sony, and anyone else that does this.  It doesn't hurt the consumers, it only hurts the used game stores and probably the ma and pa ones at that.

 


How does it not hurt people who sell the game.  You don't think used game stores are going to start offering less for games that use this voucher?

I'd guess most if not all of the money will come out of the person who sells it's pocket.

You might get less for the games but you'll also get used games for less.

If you sell games to buy new ones, then you might lose a small amount but when we're talking in the amounts of $5, it's nothing huge.

If you sell games to buy used ones, you're getting less but you're paying less too.  If you want the online pass that will cost you more, but just pretend it's DLC and it would cost more anyways.

I don't really see why people are bitching so much about this.  If you really don't like it, buy your game new for $59.99 instead of used for $54.99.

Also, I do find it funny that people are wanting to boycott EA for this, except they're the ones buying used EA games and EA doesn't care about them.

A) Your math is off... it's WORSE If you buy games used.

I buy Madde 2010 New, for 60 dollars, and trade it in for 10 dollars instead of 15.  (or 5 dollars instead of 15 if gamestop decides to take no loss.)


I save up and buy Tiger Woods 2011 used... for 45 dollars instead of 55 dollars.  Now I pay 10 dollars for the used code. 

Total net to me?  -5.  (Or -10 if they decide to they don't want to absorb this loss.)

 

Also, once again... if there are a shit ton of games selling for 55 dollars used... what does that tell you about the game? 

It was bad enough that a shit ton of people who bought the game thought it sucked and traded it in.  It's not like that $55 pricepoint is around long.

Why am I supposed to feel bad that a game a bunch of people bought and thought wasn't worth the price was losing a bunch of money to used sales?

If I buy a shitty movie on DVD and don't like it should I feel bad if I give that movie away to someone who wants it?  I am afterall "Robbing the movie company of another sale" based on the same backwords logic.