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mirgro on 02 June 2010
drakesfortune said:

Oh God, I can hardly handle the left wing anti-semitism in this thread.  The Muslims have been strapping bombs to mentally retarded people, to women, to kids, to blow up Israeli children, and yet everyone on the left is just SO ready to pounce on Israel and blame them for EVERYTHING under the sun.

Clearly Israel is willing to allow aid in.  They offered these very people to take it in.  These people did NOT want to get aid in.  They'd go through proper channels if they did.  Instead, they want the embargo over.  Period.  Why?  Not to get humanitarian aid in.  That can, and does, already get in.  Instead, they want the embargo over, so they can get Iranian missiles into Hamas.  A terrorist organization bent on the death and destruction of Israel, and the US after that.

The self destructive, self loathing left, is out of control.  You are reflexively bigoted.  You are wrong.  Your ends, will result in a massive world war.  It is coming thanks to the moral equivalency of the left.  We are doomed thanks to morons, who fail to inform themselves, and deny the obvious. 


I'd liek tot ake this post to point out that conservatives and right wingers are also anti-semetic. Jews and arabs are both of the semitic race.



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Kasz216 on 03 June 2010
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Kasz216 said:

It's sad how shoddy the BBC reporting on this has been too.

They've treated eyewitness accounts as valuable as actual footage.

Mundane eyewitness accounts are shoddy.

Let alone eyewitness accounts during times of stress...

or Eyewitness accounts during times of stress when you have an intense bias.

Not to mention all of the connections found to terrorist groups...

It's pretty clear what has happened or at least which way the facts point to.


Do you believe that perhaps one intent of the floatilla's provocation was to create just such an incident, with the intention to make Israel look bad to the international community?

Yes and No.

I don't believe it was the intent of the floatilla... but I think it was the intent of the 100 or so people tied to the terrorists groups intentions.

Hence why the event only happened on 1 floatilla.  It's a pretty common tactic...

put a few plants in a normal crowd... instigate and shit happens.

For example... the Boston Massacre.  Mostly normal and angry people... but not about to start a fight... but then Sam Adams and his group were dicks and started the whole thing forcing the crowd into action.

Those people who infiltrated likely did to cause trouble.  Other such floatilla's have been aloud to land, so something probably tipped off Mossad or whoever to the connections... and when they boarded they fell into those peoples trap.

The majority of the people I'm sure had nothing but good intentions... however the instegators... likely got EXACTLY what they wanted.



SciFiBoy on 03 June 2010

updated thoughts: (taking into account all the details that have come out)

what I think Israel did wrong:

- boarding the ship whilst it was in International Waters.

- using lethal force, possibly, there seems to be alot of conflicting stuff about what happenened, if they could have avoided killing people, I think they should have done so.

- the blockade itself is still something that I regard as being highly dubious and should almost certainly end.

what some of the people on the floatila did wrong:

- attacking the soldiers (if it was done in anything other than self defence)

- if they have links to terrorist groups, thats obviously bad anyway, but they must have known that Israel wouldnt let them through the blockade.

@ Kasz216 - the BBC Newsnight program was alot more balanced than there website on this, they showed the video footage and they had people from the floatila and the Israeli government on talking about it.



shio on 03 June 2010

Israeli soldiers killed U.S. citizen in flotilla massacre: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/03/AR2010060301931.html

Reports in the Turkish press identified the American as Furkan Dogan, 19, who was born in the United States before returning to Turkey with his family as a young child. The Cihan news agency reported that Mr. Dogan had one bullet in the chest and four bullets fired into his head from close range.

 

Holy hell! The israeli soldiers executed an american civilian!!!!



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mrstickball on 03 June 2010
shio said:

Israeli soldiers killed U.S. citizen in flotilla massacre: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/03/AR2010060301931.html

Reports in the Turkish press identified the American as Furkan Dogan, 19, who was born in the United States before returning to Turkey with his family as a young child. The Cihan news agency reported that Mr. Dogan had one bullet in the chest and four bullets fired into his head from close range.

 

Holy hell! The israeli soldiers executed an american civilian!!!!

So where in that article does it say he was executed?



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mirgro on 03 June 2010
mrstickball said:
 

So where in that article does it say he was executed?


I guess the better word would be murdered, while an illegal act was being committed. Correct me if I am wrong, but murder during a home invasion gets you in some serious shit in the US.

I also want to know why armed commandos were sent in instead of riot police with rubber bullets, batons, and riot shields. It's kind of embarassing seeing commandos get their asses kicked by a lowly civilian mob, and the riot police would have also been perfectly capable in handling the situation with far less "shit hitting the fan."



shio on 03 June 2010
mrstickball said:
shio said:

Israeli soldiers killed U.S. citizen in flotilla massacre: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/03/AR2010060301931.html

Reports in the Turkish press identified the American as Furkan Dogan, 19, who was born in the United States before returning to Turkey with his family as a young child. The Cihan news agency reported that Mr. Dogan had one bullet in the chest and four bullets fired into his head from close range.

 

Holy hell! The israeli soldiers executed an american civilian!!!!

So where in that article does it say he was executed?

With so many rumors and testemonies of israeli soldiers having executed some people in the flotilla massacre, you gotta wonder!!

4 shots in the head and 1 in the heart, in close range. Execution style definitely.

EDIT: But hey, you can change the word "execution" with "murder" if you want, but it's not gonna make it better.



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famousringo on 03 June 2010
shio said:
mrstickball said:
shio said:

Israeli soldiers killed U.S. citizen in flotilla massacre: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/03/AR2010060301931.html

Reports in the Turkish press identified the American as Furkan Dogan, 19, who was born in the United States before returning to Turkey with his family as a young child. The Cihan news agency reported that Mr. Dogan had one bullet in the chest and four bullets fired into his head from close range.

 

Holy hell! The israeli soldiers executed an american civilian!!!!

So where in that article does it say he was executed?

With so many rumors and testemonies of israeli soldiers having executed some people in the flotilla massacre, you gotta wonder!!

4 shots in the head and 1 in the heart, in close range. Execution style definitely.


How about we just just stick to 'shot and killed' while details of this incident are still being sorted.

That being said, it doesn't jibe with the earlier report I read that the soldiers were aiming at the legs of their assailants. Not too surprising, since both soldiers and police are trained to shoot to kill if they're going to be shooting at all.

Other activists reported the use of tear gas, tasers and plastic bullets, so I'd like to know why these non-lethal weapons were so incapable of controlling this one group.



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NNN2004 on 03 June 2010

 alot of things happend to me because of israel .. as a palestinian that dont have passport i cant enter any country except syria ( which gave me palestinian/ syrian documents so i can travel to some limited countries ) but i cant enter israel !!? and now here in UAE i stuck with my job because iam palestenian which have documents and not passport so the new country rules tell that people with documents cant work here anymore except for the people that already working but you cant change your job !? my uncle found a new job and when he want to transfer his visa they didnt allow him and canceled his visa. and for my cousin ( which he have a palestinian passport ) he didnt see his wife because he stuck for 2 weeks in the borders with other paleastenians between egypt and israel and then they told them that they cant enter gaza .. so thank you israel for ruining my life and my family life.



mrstickball on 03 June 2010
mirgro said:
mrstickball said:
 

So where in that article does it say he was executed?


I guess the better word would be murdered, while an illegal act was being committed. Correct me if I am wrong, but murder during a home invasion gets you in some serious shit in the US.

I also want to know why armed commandos were sent in instead of riot police with rubber bullets, batons, and riot shields. It's kind of embarassing seeing commandos get their asses kicked by a lowly civilian mob, and the riot police would have also been perfectly capable in handling the situation with far less "shit hitting the fan."

..So when was the last time you saw riot police being deployed to a boat?



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