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shio said:
MrBubbles said:
i was just reading an AP article that was saying the two pistols the terror activists had were taken off the viciously attacked israeli commandos. its good that the israelis only boarded with paintball guns and pistols....had they brought their assault rifles many more people might have ended up being killed.

its just too bad that these terror activists had been on this vessel rather than more peaceful activists and causing these deaths.

Too bad the israeli soldiers decided to bring the real guns and kill 19 activists.


yeah...i bet you would rather be having a conversation about how israelis were beaten and stabbed to death then hung over the side of the boat, eh?

well thats just too bad for you.



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MrBubbles said:
those individuals were as much civilians as the taliban are.


How exactly? They didn't bring any actual weapons, everything was what you would typically find in a mob and taken from items on the ship. No guns, no explosives. They attacked armed soldiers who had questionably boarded their ship. For all we know these civillians had good reason to fear for their lives when they attacked the soldiers with make-shift weapons. I very much doubt the taliban would bother taking ships with humanitarian aid to Palestine even.



RageBot said:

There is no Palestinian state, that's a fact.

The Israeli attack on the Gaza strip was a retaliation, after the city of Sderot was bombarded with rockets for months, if not years, show me any other country in the world that is as capable as Israel, and would kill less than 1,000 innocents (if not far more than that) in a dense urban zones, after being bombarded for so long.

If Hamas would stop firing rockets on Israel, and agree to the terms that Israel offers, for establishing a Palestinian state (recognising Israel's right to exist, and recognising it as an existing state), Israel could remove all of the blockades, and never lay a single finger on the Palestinians.

But, you do know the fact that Hamas' goal is destroying Israel (and probably all Jews), right? They stated is several times, and they get military support (via smuggled weapons and ammunition) from Iran and Hezbolla, right?


Not fact. Debatable. From Wiki (with a decent number of references):

States recognising the State of Palestine

The exact number of countries recognizing the State of Palestine is unknown, due to the equivocal nature of many official statements of acknowledgment.[130]. Many countries have a standing policy against making formal declarations that recognize new governments instead indicating their recognition of a state by doing business with its government.[82] Francis Boyle, legal advisor to the PLO, assisted the organization in drafting the 1988 Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Palestine. At that time, the United States was using its Foreign Assistance Act and other measures to discourage other countries and international organizations from extending recognition.[131] According to one author, by 1988, more than 100 countries had recognized Palestine.[132] Boyle reported in 1990 that the number was 114 states.[72] In 2005, Anat Kurz reported that 117 United Nations member states had formally recognised the state of Palestine as a sovereign state.[133] In 2010, the PA Prime Minister, Salam Fayyad, estimated the number at several dozens.[134]

After the election victory of Hamas, some governments took steps to oppose countries that supported the new Palestinian authorities, and once again imposed

EDIT: Crap, Table didn't copy. Here's the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine#Gaza_Strip



FootballFan said:
shio said:

Israeli government is, right now, the biggest terrorist organization in the world.

Seriously?

You really are a joker, also your



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FootballFan said:
shio said:

Israeli government is, right now, the biggest terrorist organization in the world.

Seriously?

You really are a joker, also your



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So, Israelic soldiers are getting on the ship, 5 of the 6 ships were peaceful and there were no conflicts

but ton the ship with the IHH that have connections to terroristic groups, had dozens of weapons and beat the isrealic soldiers, while they were shouting "dont shoot!" at each other

10 of the israelic soldiers were injured seriously and they HAD to shoot the terroists and now, who are the bad in the media?

the terrorists who sung "oh jude, the army of mohammed will come back" before they left cyprus or the soldiers of the only democratic state in the middle east, who just defended themself and they had too

please, just this time, be clever and informate

i will give you some links you will never see on tv

The soldier who was throwed of the boat before the soldiers begun to defend themselves

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3897486,00.html

youtube:

PLEASE SOMEONE EMBBEN THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk&feature=player_embedded

you call that "peaceful activists"? that are jude hater who provocate and want them all to DIE

OPEN YOUR EYES

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU12KW-XyZE&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRnVIEBvmkE&feature=player_embedded#!

 

now, after watching the videos, tell me how peaceful these activist were

i need a smoke...



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Scoobes said:
MrBubbles said:
those individuals were as much civilians as the taliban are.


How exactly? They didn't bring any actual weapons, everything was what you would typically find in a mob and taken from items on the ship. No guns, no explosives. They attacked armed soldiers who had questionably boarded their ship. For all we know these civillians had good reason to fear for their lives when they attacked the soldiers with make-shift weapons. I very much doubt the taliban would bother taking ships with humanitarian aid to Palestine even.

They had as much reason to fear as the peace activists on the other five boats - none.
Also, pay attention that the only boat with any sort of harm done to the activists, is the one in which the atcivists lynched the lightly armed soldiers, without giving them a second to say anything.

I also think that this is the only boat with Muslims on it, but I didn't check out this deep enough so i'll leave it like that.

Also - with all the fear in the world, what peace activist will stab a soldier of a country who's blockade he's trying to breach, are you kidding me?

About the Palestinian state - I'll have to read more about the world state of recognising one, thanks for opening my eyes about it.



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shio said:
noname2200 said:
shio said:
noname2200 said:
According to the Yahoo! article, there seems to be tape showing that the Israelis didn't open fire immediately as the flotilla members claimed.

 Israel attacked innocent people, and the civilians only tried to protect themselves.

I should probably have cited to the article so that you could read the description.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100531/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians

Footage, or self-interested testimony?  Of course, the footage may well be incomplete.

It is irrelevant, the israeli soldiers attacked and boarded in international waters, which is pretty much the same as pirates. They then killed almost 20 civilians and seized all the aid that was for the palestinians.

Actually, under international law any nation can board vessels in international waters if those vessels make it clear they intend to run a blockade.

And lets not pretend for a moment this was about actually getting aid to the Palestinians.  If that was the case, the activists would have taken up the offer Israel repeatedely made to take the aid through the land border...



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Yeah, read this yesterday. I knew it was going to happen though as Israel wasn't about to let them through or others would come. Of course its sad Israel immediately turned to violence on an unarmed vessel.



superchunk said:

Yeah, read this yesterday. I knew it was going to happen though as Israel wasn't about to let them through or others would come. Of course its sad Israel immediately turned to violence on an unarmed vessel.


If by "immediately" you mean "after their lightly armed soldiers were attacked by metal rods, bats, chairs, knifes etc etc" (Which is a fact, look at videos) you are completely, utterly right.

There's a reason why there's not a single harmed man on any of the other ships, guess what that reason is.



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