You really belive that crap?  It's a camera!  It would be like saying Move is also a brand new platform when it's really just a glowing dildo.

I don't buy into all this Motion control stuff, I mean the Wii has some good software but Nintnedo always does, because of a few good staff members.  I very much doubt that a WiiHD machine will sell anything like the Wii, because there are millions of people that brought into a fad and will probably never buy another games machine again.  Motion control will probably stay around now, but in no way overtake traditional controllers.

How many people here that own a Wii and PS3/360 really play the Wii more than their other machine?  I bet it's not many.

Anyway if you ask me Natal will continue to be the bugged, laggy piece of crap that it looked like at the GDC ( http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&ved=0CBkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwii.ign.com%2Farticles%2F107%2F1076978p1.html&rct=j&q=natal+sucks%2C+ign&ei=aBb-S4XSFaj00gSizIHlDQ&usg=AFQjCNEvverNfYRQRG1nARWpMSvpu15isQ ), and Move will do about as much for Sony as Home did.

I agree both will not sell as well as wiimote, too many people are fighting over move vs natal and which will steal the wii crowd, i don't think either will, it will add a couple of new users sure, but realistically ps move has the better chance as it caters to a much wider audience and does not just rely on casual games

Most likely.

I don't personally think Sony expects a lot out of Move. 

They are doing it because they have to show they have the know-how but I don't think Move is really going to be the main driver behind PS3 sales...( and with the success they have had on the Wii I don't think third party are that excited about having to support Move and Natal...)

Both of them will fail, no sane person will let go of their own strong point (Halo Bungie) and go after another company's strong point (Wii waggle), tat why J Allard left

Its like Michael Jackson dye himself white and start singing country music.

I think the price and software will determine if "Natal" and PSMove will fail or be a success.

As much as I am not a big fan of the 360, I honestly hope at the very least Natal has some sort of success. Reason for this, is because that would push the big console makers to try new things and improve upon what currently exists with different peripherals. As for the Move, I remain skeptical, but I do know I will use it for my third and fourth Heavy Rain playthroughs. The Wii never appealed to me outside of the RE4 experience a few years back, so if RE5 supports Move, that will be loads of fun (If implemented properly, I would like to see KZ3 use it as well).

Natal will fail, the 360 is clearly on its last legs.
Move will be a huge success and combined with Gran Turismo 5 will see the PS3 overtake the 360 in total sales during December 2010.

^^ Agreed. Move has a chance since you can play FPS and heavy rain type games with it - If Sony brings out games that utilize move really well then it has a chance. I dont see Natal doing well cause I cant think of what type of game would benefit from it.... Microsoft could suprise me though. 

If Natal hits at its rumored price point, it is going to need one helluva killer app to get off the ground. It's not an impossible task, given that killer apps have moved expensive peripherals a lot this generation so far, but Natal's got an uphill battle to fight.

IMO neither PS Move or Kinect offer value for money at all. If you are into motion control the Wii is the system and has a bigger range of games that use Motion control.

Casual gaming belongs on the Wii. These new add-on peripherals to the HD consoles is a cash grab. The games library for both PS Move and Kinect will be very sma