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peachbuggy said:
joeorc said:
peachbuggy said:
joeorc said:
peachbuggy said:
Won't this attitude make the move peripheral be perceived even more like the Wii in that situation? Surely it will because, as already mentioned in this thread the games which specifically don't work/sell on the Wii are the hardcore type games. Surely Sony should be trying to differentiate their new control scheme from the Wii by it doing different(see, hardcore) types of games. By discouraging this type of thing on Move then surely 3rd parties will just bring out what they perceived to work on the Wii. Which means mini game compilations and so- called shovelware. It seems to me Sony are saying :- Don't bring games to our platform that won't sell. Not:- Don't bring bad games to our system. Unfortunately these are two different things.

and why would it be a bad thing if 3rd party developer's that already make game's for the Wii know that their game will work on the PS3. except for one key factor the PS3 has the EYETOY that can add abilities that the Wii does not get. so one it help's secure 3rd party developer's toward making multiplatform that would of been only on Wii to now that they could make the game also for the PS3.

with of course add function in the game not found on the Wii..Maybe some augmented reality function but still an added function that would not be on the Wii ver.

with DLC being done that way on game's anymore this would not be a suprise if this is going the same route.

 


First of all i don't necessarily think it would be a bad thing. I think it would be perceived as a bad thing though by quite a few of Sony's hardcore fan base if there was a bunch of me-too Wii type party games released for Move. Also, why do so many people seem to think Move will have functions the Wiimote doesn't have? As has been discussed to death in many threads here, they both offer 1.1 control and both work off cameras. Yet people who haven't even so much as played a Move game, insist it has all these functions the Wiimote doesn't.

look while i respect your outlook on it. I have to disagree with your take that the PS3's eyetoy will not provide extra function's to the experience that the Wii does not offer with it's software. Like for many that only see the software that Sony has shown so far as "just Wii clone's"

for one the software is not even finished.

and if anything EYEPET proves added function's inside software that sony is offering in Move that the Wii is not offering anyway.

yes it's only one case right now but , aswe know of sofar what less than 20 game's have been shown for Move.

even at that what they showed was very early build's and even than the software worked pretty d@mn good for such early build's.

Yet again, you say yourself the SW isn't finished but you are saying Move has extra functions. How could you know that just by watching a trailer on the net? I would be very surprised if Move had any features/functions the Wiimote doesn't.

it's not just the trailer. ever watch the tech demonstration's that sony's R&D team have showed, well there is a reason why they show those because those also go into the SDK for 1st 2nd and 3rd party developer's to be able to use for their software.

like i stated you do not have to guage what the software does right now . as this is what the system software is only capable of

To claim that is only what the system is able to do based off of incomplete software is foolish in my opinion because there are many seperate skill level's of developer's and experiences with each hardware system. thus is if everyone was just as proficient that would be one thing, but their not so that's not alway's going to be the case.

but what we do know the SDK tool's have function's in playstation move software has shown that the Wii does not currently employ. does that mean it cannot , no it just mean's we have not seen it and without a camera it the Wii may never have those function's.



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There are cameras in the sensor bar, as shown in at least 2 threads on this site that i can remember.



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Honestly I'd like to see some of the hardcore titles that came to Wii go to PS3, MH3 and DS: Extraction are on my to buy list, but I would much rather have that on the PS3, so hopefully they make MH3G and Dead Space Extraction using the move as I'd rather play those in HD.



@peachbuggy the Wiimote is not 1:1, that's a damn lie, and that is the problem "hardcores" have with it. No one is going to deny that some fun cant be had with WiiSports and such, the problem lies in the longer you play it the more the flaws of the tech become apparent. As for what Kotuka or whatever said, its mostly spot-on. All 3rd party devs. were giving WII in the beginning of its life cycle was ports with tacked on controls. Tombraider, Bully, RE4, Okami hell even TP. If Sony is going to try to avoid this and all the crappy party games im good with that. Id rather have a little games that are good than have a library full of crap. Having never played the Move I dont know if it is as good as they're saying. I remain skeptical



peachbuggy said:
There are cameras in the sensor bar, as shown in at least 2 threads on this site that i can remember.

are you sure about that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw

look at 1:12 to 1:13 sec's

an

of course not to be outdone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si0RT2p3pjM&feature=related



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d21lewis said:
scottie said:
Also, on topic

I love how people claim that the existance of bad games, rather than the lack of good games is what can kill a platform. Note how the consoles with the most shovelware are the PS2, Wii, DS? Which coincidently will be the 3 highest selling consoles by the time they're done. High sales breed shovelware. Shovelware does not in any way breed low sales

I'm going to say this without doing any research so you can probably prove me wrong:  The most popular system gets the shovelware because it's the most popular system.  The PS3 isn't near that level and the Move doesn't need a lot of unheard of bad games detracting from the unheard of good games.

 

That was pretty much my point :) 

 

I reckon down the line a Sony rep will point to the statement in the OP and claim that "there is no shovelware on the PS3 because we forebade it" When really, if you're going to make shovelware it's simply more profitable on the Wii



c0rd said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Sony got my respect for that. Knowing them they WILL work with third parties and their first party wont even be up for questioning. With the launch in July they should have some great E3 offerings. This is going to be a huge blow to the Wii crowd when the hardcore catches sight of Sony's offerings with the new peripheral.

It's kind of annoying constantly hearing you speak for this "Wii crowd," when you're not among them. I understand you don't like the system, but that obviously does not apply to all of us, especially those who prefer the Wii over HD consoles in the first place (which has more to do than just motion controls).

I personally have both HD consoles myself, yet so far I have no plans on getting this thing.

Just keep the excitement to yourself, and others who share your enthusiasm, rather than trying to turn this into a tool for fanboy wars.


On topic, I hope this works out for them. Making these kinds of games isn't as easy as it may seem...

You do know that the hardcore on the Wii is an extreme minority right? That discounts a lot of people in the Wii demographic. It makes sense if you think about it. The looks, marketing style and preliminary games are a clear indicator that this system will mainly be picked up by the hardcore. Seriously....do you believe casuals are going to fork out another $400 bucks to get a PS3/Move bundle? Please dude...spare me. This thing is made like it was created to go after the hardcore. Look at the butler commercials...it's so elitist and its hilarious. Just to let you know, there are hardcore gamers that only have Wii's and haven't made the jump to the  PS3 or 360's. This also goes for Wii60 owners and PS3 stand alone owners. If you have all 3 systems that great as well. If you don't want it thats your problem. Prove what I have to say wrong without bringing your personal feelings into it. I am looking at it from a marketing stand point.



LOL so much fighting over shovelwares.

For me Im just glad to hear PSmove won't be just another motion controller filled with hannamontana series.



Funny. Some people are still on the whole 'hardcore/casual' crap huh? LoL. That is sooo 2006



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S.T.A.G.E. said:
Sony got my respect for that. Knowing them they WILL work with third parties and their first party wont even be up for questioning. With the launch in July they should have some great E3 offerings. This is going to be a huge blow to the Wii crowd when the hardcore catches sight of Sony's offerings with the new peripheral.

there's no need for the preliminary attack on Nintendo fans, especially with the lack of evidence.



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