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Mr Khan on 25 May 2010
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mr Khan said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Sony got my respect for that. Knowing them they WILL work with third parties and their first party wont even be up for questioning. With the launch in July they should have some great E3 offerings. This is going to be a huge blow to the Wii crowd when the hardcore catches sight of Sony's offerings with the new peripheral.

there's no need for the preliminary attack on Nintendo fans, especially with the lack of evidence.

When I state that it will be a huge blow to the Wii crowd, again...I am talking about the minority whom care or even know what E3 is all about. No one can rule out that the Move gets more positives as the days go by. Love it or hate it, it's picking up steam and a release date has already been set. E3 will basically be the week of reckoning that will make or break the rest of this gen.

I would dispute that. There is still nothing there that is especially compelling that would drag users away from the Wii. Not yet. E3 could very well show some kind of killer app, but we cannot know that.



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patjuan32 on 25 May 2010
joeorc said:
patjuan32 said:
joeorc said:
patjuan32 said:
joeorc said:
patjuan32 said:
joeorc said:
patjuan32 said:
joeorc said:
Naum said:
So they will do what Nintendo did during the Snes/N64 era... look what that did.

yup make some awsome game's and guess what the fact that Sony is already in 3rd . so why the hell does it matter now anyway. Quality is a good thing if you ask me. it's not about catching the Wii, Sony's going for quality. why worry about placement in a console war when your already 3rd!

If Sony was not worried about their placement in the console war then they'd focus on developing games for the audience that they are competing for. Instead they want to introduce the move to attract the mainstream audience to the PS3 to improve sales and thus change the Placement of the PS3 in the console wars.

o'l come on now just because the market leader has something unique does not mean that one of the other's would not add it if they could, now would you have not seen their technology added if the Wii did not take off?

the fact that Sony waited because they got burned in the past with motion control's they put out the Eyetoy and 3rd party's did not support it like they said they would.

so what if they added it later, atleat they combined it's use with the EYETOY to give it more function's.

Many consumer's are very happy with motion control's for gaming, now Sony has added that option to the PS3.

unless Only Nintendo can have that technology?

 

Sony and Microsoft jump on the motion control band wagon after the Wii became successful. They both came out against motion controls in interviews and look now. This has nothing to do with copying the Uniquess of the market leader and everything to do with sales. I could go on but some of your comments make you sound like a bitter Fanboy.

bitter fanboy..lol

AND ONCE AGAIN SO WHAT IF THEY DID!

and PR matter's why?

just because some PR speak is put out does not mean what they stated was every thing they may plan on doing!

alot of PR is just trying to hurt on the other's sale's. the fact that.

calling someone a bitter fanboy it just seem's to me if anyone is bitter it's the people who try to make out PR as some sort of past truth to keep bring up when they want to keep trying to discourage or downplay any an all thing's about another system because of some slight toward a system they have a preference for

sort of like some PR.. speak we have heard before. so in effect your doing exactly the same thing you are mad about!

"unless Only Nintendo can have that technology?" confirms that you sound like a bitter fanboy. That comment had no place in the discussion what so ever.

"AND ONCE AGAIN SO WHAT IF THEY DID!" You are the one defending their every move and that quote makes your arguments pointless.

Good day sir.

 

lol. how am i defending it there is nothing to defend it does not even have to be defended. just so you can say "what we were first with it everyone else is a copy cat"?

so what if everyone is a percieved copycat.

please/

if anything it seem's no one can be happy unless other's feel upset over it as much as that person feel's.

I am not happy so you can't be happy...

 

If you read my post you would realize that I could care less who did what first. Please read my post. I responded to your statement " why worry about placement in a console war when your already 3rd!" by saying that they are worried and that is why Sony introduced the move. Your latest post just makes no sense to me and is not germane to our argument.

Thanks for your time.

How does it make them worried?

" by saying that they are worried and that is why Sony introduced the move."

an i say again so what if their 3rd.

you do not have to be #1 to be successful. when there is more stiff competition this generation. one only has to look @ all the game platform's on the sales market to see that.

 

 

 

 

 

"you do not have to be #1 to be successful."

Yes you do in console wars because their are advantages to having a larger install base. Just look at the portable market and Nintendo's line of portable systems. Yet you are right that a company does not have to have the largest fanbase to be successful. Sony dominated the console war for two generations but Nintendo beat them in making the most profit.

 

"So what if (Sony) is 3rd"

It means that Sony has lost market share, mind share, and more importantly fans. Just like what happened to Nintendo in the 90's and last gen. All of which are very hard to get back.



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Seven89 on 25 May 2010
Galaki said:
2 bucks that the people hating WiiSports are suddenly in love with Move"sports"

only 2? btw sucks you got banned for something like that.



nitekrawler1285 on 25 May 2010
jarrod said:
nitekrawler1285 said:
If you are only stealing the good stuff I hope I get all three trauma games on BD for 60.

Move's pointer isn't stable/fast enough for direct ports due to how it's handled (triangulation based on camera/ball + tilt).  They'd need to reconfigure heavily, to the point where I'd say Atlus R&D1 would be better served just doing a ground up Move Trauma game.

This holds true for gun games like HotD or RE Chronicles too.  Though the Chronicles games are slow enough to where Move could probably handle them okay.

That's sad to hear.   I was hoping it would be a quick painless and profitable endeavor.



joeorc on 26 May 2010
patjuan32 said:
joeorc said:
patjuan32 said:
joeorc said:
patjuan32 said:
joeorc said:
patjuan32 said:
joeorc said:
patjuan32 said:
joeorc said:
Naum said:
So they will do what Nintendo did during the Snes/N64 era... look what that did.

yup make some awsome game's and guess what the fact that Sony is already in 3rd . so why the hell does it matter now anyway. Quality is a good thing if you ask me. it's not about catching the Wii, Sony's going for quality. why worry about placement in a console war when your already 3rd!

If Sony was not worried about their placement in the console war then they'd focus on developing games for the audience that they are competing for. Instead they want to introduce the move to attract the mainstream audience to the PS3 to improve sales and thus change the Placement of the PS3 in the console wars.

o'l come on now just because the market leader has something unique does not mean that one of the other's would not add it if they could, now would you have not seen their technology added if the Wii did not take off?

the fact that Sony waited because they got burned in the past with motion control's they put out the Eyetoy and 3rd party's did not support it like they said they would.

so what if they added it later, atleat they combined it's use with the EYETOY to give it more function's.

Many consumer's are very happy with motion control's for gaming, now Sony has added that option to the PS3.

unless Only Nintendo can have that technology?

 

Sony and Microsoft jump on the motion control band wagon after the Wii became successful. They both came out against motion controls in interviews and look now. This has nothing to do with copying the Uniquess of the market leader and everything to do with sales. I could go on but some of your comments make you sound like a bitter Fanboy.

bitter fanboy..lol

AND ONCE AGAIN SO WHAT IF THEY DID!

and PR matter's why?

just because some PR speak is put out does not mean what they stated was every thing they may plan on doing!

alot of PR is just trying to hurt on the other's sale's. the fact that.

calling someone a bitter fanboy it just seem's to me if anyone is bitter it's the people who try to make out PR as some sort of past truth to keep bring up when they want to keep trying to discourage or downplay any an all thing's about another system because of some slight toward a system they have a preference for

sort of like some PR.. speak we have heard before. so in effect your doing exactly the same thing you are mad about!

"unless Only Nintendo can have that technology?" confirms that you sound like a bitter fanboy. That comment had no place in the discussion what so ever.

"AND ONCE AGAIN SO WHAT IF THEY DID!" You are the one defending their every move and that quote makes your arguments pointless.

Good day sir.

 

lol. how am i defending it there is nothing to defend it does not even have to be defended. just so you can say "what we were first with it everyone else is a copy cat"?

so what if everyone is a percieved copycat.

please/

if anything it seem's no one can be happy unless other's feel upset over it as much as that person feel's.

I am not happy so you can't be happy...

 

If you read my post you would realize that I could care less who did what first. Please read my post. I responded to your statement " why worry about placement in a console war when your already 3rd!" by saying that they are worried and that is why Sony introduced the move. Your latest post just makes no sense to me and is not germane to our argument.

Thanks for your time.

How does it make them worried?

" by saying that they are worried and that is why Sony introduced the move."

an i say again so what if their 3rd.

you do not have to be #1 to be successful. when there is more stiff competition this generation. one only has to look @ all the game platform's on the sales market to see that.

 

 

 

 

 

"you do not have to be #1 to be successful."

Yes you do in console wars because their are advantages to having a larger install base. Just look at the portable market and Nintendo's line of portable systems. Yet you are right that a company does not have to have the largest fanbase to be successful. Sony dominated the console war for two generations but Nintendo beat them in making the most profit.

 

"So what if (Sony) is 3rd"

It means that Sony has lost market share, mind share, and more importantly fans. Just like what happened to Nintendo in the 90's and last gen. All of which are very hard to get back.

and as you can see their still arround!

the same can be stated for Sony!

people on even this site stated Sony would right off the PS3 like some are saying that sony would best be served to right off the PSP!

their saying that mainly because of the lead that Nintendo has, but once again just because Nintendo has that lead does not mean just because you not #1 mean that you just up an quit!

if that was that idea lincon town car would have been removed long agao. both the PSP and the PS3 are not #1 in the market and they still sold very well.

again So what if their 3RD they know that so why worry about it.

as for loosing fan's you could say that about any of the three.

sony launched at a price of $500.00 and $600.00 you do not think they knew that the PS3's base was not going to be slow going?. aside from PR speak which we know is just that.

I doubt anyone could expect even Sony knew that the PS3 would not be anywhere near the lead at launching at that price or anythime soon. but also they also most likely never expected to be able to sell as many as they did at that pricepoint.

that's the real shocker!

that would be like Lincon expecting the town car to outsell a mid size car on price and speed on sales of a mid size car , that most likely would never happen. it would be a rare site indeed.

so you do not think sony would be working to lower the price as quick as they could?

adding more function's to you system's capability is not being worried it's being very smart. they all do it even Nintendo even Microsoft, google you name it they all do it. it's just smart to do it .

 



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gamelover2000 on 26 May 2010
Cheebee said:

Sure, that's why they're coming out with that sports minigame compilation?

I'm pretty sure Wii Sports worked on Wii :P



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Cheebee on 26 May 2010
gamelover2000 said:
Cheebee said:

Sure, that's why they're coming out with that sports minigame compilation?

I'm pretty sure Wii Sports worked on Wii :P

Yeah, and I said it before in this thread, I'll say it again: Wii Sports (and Resort to a lesser extent) was new, fresh and compelling, 4 years ago. It was novel back then, so it worked, people loved it (and a lot still do). It's the original, the one that was revolutionary and set the bar. Then, a vast sea of clones and ripoffs followed, and the more were released, the less they sold. It's been done to death.

I'm just skeptical as to how Sony plan to make a game that in essence offers pretty much the same experience as WS/WSR into a success. I mean, the Move game even features the same kinds of sports, like archery, swordfighting and tabletennis. The prettier graphics are a moot point, imo, because if this gen has proven anything, it's that casuals don't care about graphics, in the least. (And these elusive casuals are the exact audience Sony wants to lure in with Move. It's not for their existing hardcore base, these people already bought PS3's, they want to expand their market and capture the Wii audience, they even said so themselves in interviews.)



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Alby_da_Wolf on 26 May 2010
dtewi said:
Translation: If it sucks, we're not stealing it

Looks pragmatic enough to me .   

 



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patjuan32 on 26 May 2010
joeorc said:
patjuan32 said:
joeorc said:
patjuan32 said:
joeorc said:
patjuan32 said:
joeorc said:
patjuan32 said:
joeorc said:
patjuan32 said:
joeorc said:
Naum said:
So they will do what Nintendo did during the Snes/N64 era... look what that did.

yup make some awsome game's and guess what the fact that Sony is already in 3rd . so why the hell does it matter now anyway. Quality is a good thing if you ask me. it's not about catching the Wii, Sony's going for quality. why worry about placement in a console war when your already 3rd!

If Sony was not worried about their placement in the console war then they'd focus on developing games for the audience that they are competing for. Instead they want to introduce the move to attract the mainstream audience to the PS3 to improve sales and thus change the Placement of the PS3 in the console wars.

o'l come on now just because the market leader has something unique does not mean that one of the other's would not add it if they could, now would you have not seen their technology added if the Wii did not take off?

the fact that Sony waited because they got burned in the past with motion control's they put out the Eyetoy and 3rd party's did not support it like they said they would.

so what if they added it later, atleat they combined it's use with the EYETOY to give it more function's.

Many consumer's are very happy with motion control's for gaming, now Sony has added that option to the PS3.

unless Only Nintendo can have that technology?

 

Sony and Microsoft jump on the motion control band wagon after the Wii became successful. They both came out against motion controls in interviews and look now. This has nothing to do with copying the Uniquess of the market leader and everything to do with sales. I could go on but some of your comments make you sound like a bitter Fanboy.

bitter fanboy..lol

AND ONCE AGAIN SO WHAT IF THEY DID!

and PR matter's why?

just because some PR speak is put out does not mean what they stated was every thing they may plan on doing!

alot of PR is just trying to hurt on the other's sale's. the fact that.

calling someone a bitter fanboy it just seem's to me if anyone is bitter it's the people who try to make out PR as some sort of past truth to keep bring up when they want to keep trying to discourage or downplay any an all thing's about another system because of some slight toward a system they have a preference for

sort of like some PR.. speak we have heard before. so in effect your doing exactly the same thing you are mad about!

"unless Only Nintendo can have that technology?" confirms that you sound like a bitter fanboy. That comment had no place in the discussion what so ever.

"AND ONCE AGAIN SO WHAT IF THEY DID!" You are the one defending their every move and that quote makes your arguments pointless.

Good day sir.

 

lol. how am i defending it there is nothing to defend it does not even have to be defended. just so you can say "what we were first with it everyone else is a copy cat"?

so what if everyone is a percieved copycat.

please/

if anything it seem's no one can be happy unless other's feel upset over it as much as that person feel's.

I am not happy so you can't be happy...

 

If you read my post you would realize that I could care less who did what first. Please read my post. I responded to your statement " why worry about placement in a console war when your already 3rd!" by saying that they are worried and that is why Sony introduced the move. Your latest post just makes no sense to me and is not germane to our argument.

Thanks for your time.

How does it make them worried?

" by saying that they are worried and that is why Sony introduced the move."

an i say again so what if their 3rd.

you do not have to be #1 to be successful. when there is more stiff competition this generation. one only has to look @ all the game platform's on the sales market to see that.

 

 

 

 

 

"you do not have to be #1 to be successful."

Yes you do in console wars because their are advantages to having a larger install base. Just look at the portable market and Nintendo's line of portable systems. Yet you are right that a company does not have to have the largest fanbase to be successful. Sony dominated the console war for two generations but Nintendo beat them in making the most profit.

 

"So what if (Sony) is 3rd"

It means that Sony has lost market share, mind share, and more importantly fans. Just like what happened to Nintendo in the 90's and last gen. All of which are very hard to get back.

and as you can see their still arround!

the same can be stated for Sony!

people on even this site stated Sony would right off the PS3 like some are saying that sony would best be served to right off the PSP!

their saying that mainly because of the lead that Nintendo has, but once again just because Nintendo has that lead does not mean just because you not #1 mean that you just up an quit!

if that was that idea lincon town car would have been removed long agao. both the PSP and the PS3 are not #1 in the market and they still sold very well.

again So what if their 3RD they know that so why worry about it.

as for loosing fan's you could say that about any of the three.

sony launched at a price of $500.00 and $600.00 you do not think they knew that the PS3's base was not going to be slow going?. aside from PR speak which we know is just that.

I doubt anyone could expect even Sony knew that the PS3 would not be anywhere near the lead at launching at that price or anythime soon. but also they also most likely never expected to be able to sell as many as they did at that pricepoint.

that's the real shocker!

that would be like Lincon expecting the town car to outsell a mid size car on price and speed on sales of a mid size car , that most likely would never happen. it would be a rare site indeed.

so you do not think sony would be working to lower the price as quick as they could?

adding more function's to you system's capability is not being worried it's being very smart. they all do it even Nintendo even Microsoft, google you name it they all do it. it's just smart to do it .

 

I read your recent post and your stating that they are still around! What point is that? I never said that they were bankrupt or any thing like that. Furthermore, I never stated that Sony would quit promoting, developing games, or adding features to the PS3. I no longer understand what you are arguing. I've already answered the question " So what if they are third' in my previous post. Since there is nothing left to argue. I will see you around vgchartz in some other thread. I've moved on.



If Nintendo is successful at the moment, it’s because they are good, and I cannot blame them for that. What we should do is try to be just as good.----Laurent Benadiba

 

Bladeforce on 27 May 2010

I was going to say are you surprised coming from the kings of copying (Sony) but that mantle is deservedly held by Microsoft



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