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epicurean on 23 May 2010
Smashchu2 said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
Smashchu2 said:
Ravage27 said:
Sony won't ship more old 2000 models than the 'estimated' demand because they are losing money for each sold.

This news basically confirms that shortages in Q1 prevented the PS3 from outselling the 360 by a comfortable margin. A real pity, because Sony could have sold unholy numbers during the month of March.

It didn't. The sales overall have been very low, so we have no idea if they would have sold more or not. Most likely, they would not of.

This shortage is being very over played. This was a shortage from Gamestop. I just checked Amazon and they have PS3s in stock. Target does too. Walmart and Bestbuy are out of the cheaper models, but not of more expensive ones. This is misconception number 2. There have never been an increase in demand that was not seasonal (i.e. Christmas). There has only been an increase in Quanity Demanded. What's the difference? Changes in demand mean that consumers will buy more units at the same price. If Peanut butter is proven to be good for young children, peanut butter sales will go up. When "Supersize Me," came out, demand for McDonalds went down. Quanity Demanded is what we demand at a set price level. When prices goes up, we demand less and when price goes down, we demand more. What is happening to the PS3 is actually very bad. They are not increase in demand like Nintendo is. They only sell more units when the price falls. PS3s are not totally out of stock, just the ones that are cheap. If consumers really had to have PS3s, the refurbished ones and the higher priced ones would be out of stock, but they are not.

In conclusion, the PS3 would have not beated the 360. There is not a huge demand for PS3s, and the sales it would be seeing are from price drops.

in conclusion, no matter what your just one of those people that wuill never admit it. your just jealous of ps3's success and thats all there is to it.

Yes, I'm jealous of a system that has lost a company billions.

Or maybe people need to see the light. PS3 is a failure and there is nothing more too it.


Oh...i Didn't realize you were such an out of touch fanboy, or I wouldn't have bothered ersponding.  Still, it was fun showing how completely untrue all of your "facts" were...



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epicurean on 23 May 2010
Smashchu2 said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
Smashchu2 said:
Ravage27 said:
Sony won't ship more old 2000 models than the 'estimated' demand because they are losing money for each sold.

This news basically confirms that shortages in Q1 prevented the PS3 from outselling the 360 by a comfortable margin. A real pity, because Sony could have sold unholy numbers during the month of March.

It didn't. The sales overall have been very low, so we have no idea if they would have sold more or not. Most likely, they would not of.

This shortage is being very over played. This was a shortage from Gamestop. I just checked Amazon and they have PS3s in stock. Target does too. Walmart and Bestbuy are out of the cheaper models, but not of more expensive ones. This is misconception number 2. There have never been an increase in demand that was not seasonal (i.e. Christmas). There has only been an increase in Quanity Demanded. What's the difference? Changes in demand mean that consumers will buy more units at the same price. If Peanut butter is proven to be good for young children, peanut butter sales will go up. When "Supersize Me," came out, demand for McDonalds went down. Quanity Demanded is what we demand at a set price level. When prices goes up, we demand less and when price goes down, we demand more. What is happening to the PS3 is actually very bad. They are not increase in demand like Nintendo is. They only sell more units when the price falls. PS3s are not totally out of stock, just the ones that are cheap. If consumers really had to have PS3s, the refurbished ones and the higher priced ones would be out of stock, but they are not.

In conclusion, the PS3 would have not beated the 360. There is not a huge demand for PS3s, and the sales it would be seeing are from price drops.

in conclusion, no matter what your just one of those people that wuill never admit it. your just jealous of ps3's success and thats all there is to it.

Yes, I'm jealous of a system that has lost a company billions.

Or maybe people need to see the light. PS3 is a failure and there is nothing more too it.


Oh...i Didn't realize you were such an out of touch fanboy, or I wouldn't have bothered ersponding.  Still, it was fun showing how completely untrue all of your "facts" were...



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thismeintiel on 23 May 2010
Smashchu2 said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
Smashchu2 said:
Ravage27 said:
Sony won't ship more old 2000 models than the 'estimated' demand because they are losing money for each sold.

This news basically confirms that shortages in Q1 prevented the PS3 from outselling the 360 by a comfortable margin. A real pity, because Sony could have sold unholy numbers during the month of March.

It didn't. The sales overall have been very low, so we have no idea if they would have sold more or not. Most likely, they would not of.

This shortage is being very over played. This was a shortage from Gamestop. I just checked Amazon and they have PS3s in stock. Target does too. Walmart and Bestbuy are out of the cheaper models, but not of more expensive ones. This is misconception number 2. There have never been an increase in demand that was not seasonal (i.e. Christmas). There has only been an increase in Quanity Demanded. What's the difference? Changes in demand mean that consumers will buy more units at the same price. If Peanut butter is proven to be good for young children, peanut butter sales will go up. When "Supersize Me," came out, demand for McDonalds went down. Quanity Demanded is what we demand at a set price level. When prices goes up, we demand less and when price goes down, we demand more. What is happening to the PS3 is actually very bad. They are not increase in demand like Nintendo is. They only sell more units when the price falls. PS3s are not totally out of stock, just the ones that are cheap. If consumers really had to have PS3s, the refurbished ones and the higher priced ones would be out of stock, but they are not.

In conclusion, the PS3 would have not beated the 360. There is not a huge demand for PS3s, and the sales it would be seeing are from price drops.

in conclusion, no matter what your just one of those people that wuill never admit it. your just jealous of ps3's success and thats all there is to it.

Yes, I'm jealous of a system that has lost a company billions.

Or maybe people need to see the light. PS3 is a failure and there is nothing more too it.

Well, for your sake, I hope you are backing Nintendo, because the 360 has lost MS billions.  And so far, MS still has lost far more from the X-Box brand than it has made.  And your analysis is very poor.  So they are out of stock just about everywhere, and yet demand isn't up?  You do realize stores usually try not to run out of stock on items that actually sell, right?  I mean your logic is that the people who want a PS3 already bought one, but Sony just hasn't got the stores new ones.  New ones that no one will buy.  Sure.  Then how do you explain about a month or so ago when Amazon finally got a shipment of PS3's it shot up to #1 on their video game chart, only to be sold out shortly after?

BTW, Target is the one who has the PS3's on Amazon, not Amazon themselves.  And WWD, who Amazon used to link you to, is now selling them for $400 with shipping.  And you might want to check Wal-mart.com again, as they are completely out of PS3's.  Though, you are right about Best Buy having the more expensive model, however that's not the one that's in high demand.



 

Smashchu2 on 24 May 2010
thismeintiel said:
Smashchu2 said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
Smashchu2 said:
Ravage27 said:
Sony won't ship more old 2000 models than the 'estimated' demand because they are losing money for each sold.

This news basically confirms that shortages in Q1 prevented the PS3 from outselling the 360 by a comfortable margin. A real pity, because Sony could have sold unholy numbers during the month of March.

It didn't. The sales overall have been very low, so we have no idea if they would have sold more or not. Most likely, they would not of.

This shortage is being very over played. This was a shortage from Gamestop. I just checked Amazon and they have PS3s in stock. Target does too. Walmart and Bestbuy are out of the cheaper models, but not of more expensive ones. This is misconception number 2. There have never been an increase in demand that was not seasonal (i.e. Christmas). There has only been an increase in Quanity Demanded. What's the difference? Changes in demand mean that consumers will buy more units at the same price. If Peanut butter is proven to be good for young children, peanut butter sales will go up. When "Supersize Me," came out, demand for McDonalds went down. Quanity Demanded is what we demand at a set price level. When prices goes up, we demand less and when price goes down, we demand more. What is happening to the PS3 is actually very bad. They are not increase in demand like Nintendo is. They only sell more units when the price falls. PS3s are not totally out of stock, just the ones that are cheap. If consumers really had to have PS3s, the refurbished ones and the higher priced ones would be out of stock, but they are not.

In conclusion, the PS3 would have not beated the 360. There is not a huge demand for PS3s, and the sales it would be seeing are from price drops.

in conclusion, no matter what your just one of those people that wuill never admit it. your just jealous of ps3's success and thats all there is to it.

Yes, I'm jealous of a system that has lost a company billions.

Or maybe people need to see the light. PS3 is a failure and there is nothing more too it.

Well, for your sake, I hope you are backing Nintendo, because the 360 has lost MS billions.  And so far, MS still has lost far more from the X-Box brand than it has made.  And your analysis is very poor.  So they are out of stock just about everywhere, and yet demand isn't up?  You do realize stores usually try not to run out of stock on items that actually sell, right?  I mean your logic is that the people who want a PS3 already bought one, but Sony just hasn't got the stores new ones.  New ones that no one will buy.  Sure.  Then how do you explain about a month or so ago when Amazon finally got a shipment of PS3's it shot up to #1 on their video game chart, only to be sold out shortly after?

BTW, Target is the one who has the PS3's on Amazon, not Amazon themselves.  And WWD, who Amazon used to link you to, is now selling them for $400 with shipping.  And you might want to check Wal-mart.com again, as they are completely out of PS3's.  Though, you are right about Best Buy having the more expensive model, however that's not the one that's in high demand.

Lot of misconceptions here.

  • The 360's goal is not to make money, it's to keep Sony from disrupting computers with the Playstation line. Either way, I am not talking about the 360. I'm talking about the PS3. There is no reason to mention it (which, they have done very little this generation besides selling more than Sony)
  • Demand=/=Quanity Demanded. They are two totally different things. Demand is not up for the PS3. Quanity demanded it greater though
  • You are implying a lot of thing, and are implying wrong. Use quotes to back up what you are saying. You might have a clue what is going on.
  • Most of what you said at the end is wrong. If we say there is a shortage, why are sales still low. Nintendo's shortage had the system still outpreforming the 360 and PS3. Why is the PS3 so far behind despite there is a shotage. If you say that "They are not shipping enough," then the numbers they are sending out are far too low for anyone. Most likely there is stratigic shipping going on. Supply and Demand is the one concept everyone gets wrong. Shortages are used by demand exceeding supply. Shotages can be caused by demand going up or supply going down. 

The PS3 is out on a lot of sites, but not all of them. I have just added a PS3 to my cart on Amazon for $300. It does not redirect me or anything.



Kenology on 24 May 2010

I think this is BS, really.



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thismeintiel on 24 May 2010
Smashchu2 said:
thismeintiel said:
Smashchu2 said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
Smashchu2 said:
Ravage27 said:
Sony won't ship more old 2000 models than the 'estimated' demand because they are losing money for each sold.

This news basically confirms that shortages in Q1 prevented the PS3 from outselling the 360 by a comfortable margin. A real pity, because Sony could have sold unholy numbers during the month of March.

It didn't. The sales overall have been very low, so we have no idea if they would have sold more or not. Most likely, they would not of.

This shortage is being very over played. This was a shortage from Gamestop. I just checked Amazon and they have PS3s in stock. Target does too. Walmart and Bestbuy are out of the cheaper models, but not of more expensive ones. This is misconception number 2. There have never been an increase in demand that was not seasonal (i.e. Christmas). There has only been an increase in Quanity Demanded. What's the difference? Changes in demand mean that consumers will buy more units at the same price. If Peanut butter is proven to be good for young children, peanut butter sales will go up. When "Supersize Me," came out, demand for McDonalds went down. Quanity Demanded is what we demand at a set price level. When prices goes up, we demand less and when price goes down, we demand more. What is happening to the PS3 is actually very bad. They are not increase in demand like Nintendo is. They only sell more units when the price falls. PS3s are not totally out of stock, just the ones that are cheap. If consumers really had to have PS3s, the refurbished ones and the higher priced ones would be out of stock, but they are not.

In conclusion, the PS3 would have not beated the 360. There is not a huge demand for PS3s, and the sales it would be seeing are from price drops.

in conclusion, no matter what your just one of those people that wuill never admit it. your just jealous of ps3's success and thats all there is to it.

Yes, I'm jealous of a system that has lost a company billions.

Or maybe people need to see the light. PS3 is a failure and there is nothing more too it.

Well, for your sake, I hope you are backing Nintendo, because the 360 has lost MS billions.  And so far, MS still has lost far more from the X-Box brand than it has made.  And your analysis is very poor.  So they are out of stock just about everywhere, and yet demand isn't up?  You do realize stores usually try not to run out of stock on items that actually sell, right?  I mean your logic is that the people who want a PS3 already bought one, but Sony just hasn't got the stores new ones.  New ones that no one will buy.  Sure.  Then how do you explain about a month or so ago when Amazon finally got a shipment of PS3's it shot up to #1 on their video game chart, only to be sold out shortly after?

BTW, Target is the one who has the PS3's on Amazon, not Amazon themselves.  And WWD, who Amazon used to link you to, is now selling them for $400 with shipping.  And you might want to check Wal-mart.com again, as they are completely out of PS3's.  Though, you are right about Best Buy having the more expensive model, however that's not the one that's in high demand.

Lot of misconceptions here.

  • The 360's goal is not to make money, it's to keep Sony from disrupting computers with the Playstation line. Either way, I am not talking about the 360. I'm talking about the PS3. There is no reason to mention it (which, they have done very little this generation besides selling more than Sony)
  • Demand=/=Quanity Demanded. They are two totally different things. Demand is not up for the PS3. Quanity demanded it greater though
  • You are implying a lot of thing, and are implying wrong. Use quotes to back up what you are saying. You might have a clue what is going on.
  • Most of what you said at the end is wrong. If we say there is a shortage, why are sales still low. Nintendo's shortage had the system still outpreforming the 360 and PS3. Why is the PS3 so far behind despite there is a shotage. If you say that "They are not shipping enough," then the numbers they are sending out are far too low for anyone. Most likely there is stratigic shipping going on. Supply and Demand is the one concept everyone gets wrong. Shortages are used by demand exceeding supply. Shotages can be caused by demand going up or supply going down. 

The PS3 is out on a lot of sites, but not all of them. I have just added a PS3 to my cart on Amazon for $300. It does not redirect me or anything.

Do you really believe the things that exit your mouth (or fingers in this case)?  I mean that genuinely.  Because it really sounds just ridiculous.  But, I will show how you are completely wrong.  Of course, I know you won't except what I have to say, so I'll just humor myself.

The 360's goal isn't to make money for MS.  I just have to laugh at that one.  If Sony wanted the PS to take over computers and disrupt MS sales, which they don't, why in the hell would they release their own laptops with Windows installed?  They wouldn't.  They would make the PS a full computer and have have their own OS similar to Windows.  That is never going to happen, since the PS consoles will always be focused on gaming first.  The reason MS got into the console market is because they thought they could rise to the top and make the kind of money Sony was making off the PS 1&2.  It didn't happen.  And there is a reason to bring up the 360, since your basis for the PS3 being a failure was its losses for Sony.  Just wanted to point out how hypocritical you were being.  Also, wait till the end of next year and we'll see if MS has still sold more consoles.

Demand does not equal quantity demanded.  Really?  Here is a little Supply & Demand 101.  If there is no demand for a product then a product does not sell.  If a product does not sell then there is no reason stores will run out of supply so quickly (Amazon ran out of stock just weeks after getting a new shipment).  Besides, just looking at the fact PS3 has been up YOY consistantly proves their is higher demand for it.

If there is a shortage, why are sales so low?  First, they aren't that low.  Sony has been outselling MS every week WW since the Slim was launched.  Was outselling Nintendo, as well, until the Wii price drop.  However, I have no doubt that the PS3's sales would be slightly higher if they could meet demand.  Now, Wii did have shortages, which I think have been dealt with.  But at the time of the shortages, Nintendo was probably either just making demand or only falling slightly behind.  And for people to even suggest that Nintendo or Sony created false demand but shipping less is just stupid.  Nintendo already made profit off the Wii, so it would be in their best interest to sell more consoles, and in turn more software and controllers.  Sony was said to be losing ~$20 for each PS3 sold.  They could have easily recouped that loss with the purchase of an extra contoller and/or game, and then gone on to make even more profit with more software purchases.  It's in the companies' best interest to get as many consoles out there as possible.  Even VGC had this stated on a list for dumb gaming rumors.

As for Amazon, if you look up a PS3 it will show you one.  But, if you look at where it shows who's selling it to you, you will see it is Target.  Not Amazon.  Now, this is how it has been for the past few weeks.  I did just check it today and apparently Amazon FINALLY got a shipment.  Actually, it seems Wal-mart finally has them, too.  It appears Sony may be finally pumping out the Slims with the new chipsets.  Though, Best Buy is still out online.  Of course, this doesn't change the fact that both Sony and Nintendo had shortages, with Sony having more severe ones.



 

Smashchu2 on 24 May 2010

Get ready to read a lot of articles

The 360's goal isn't to make money for MS.  I just have to laugh at that one.  If Sony wanted the PS to take over computers and disrupt MS sales, which they don't, why in the hell would they release their own laptops with Windows installed?  They wouldn't.  They would make the PS a full computer and have have their own OS similar to Windows.  That is never going to happen, since the PS consoles will always be focused on gaming first.  The reason MS got into the console market is because they thought they could rise to the top and make the kind of money Sony was making off the PS 1&2.  It didn't happen.  And there is a reason to bring up the 360, since your basis for the PS3 being a failure was its losses for Sony.  Just wanted to point out how hypocritical you were being.  Also, wait till the end of next year and we'll see if MS has still sold more consoles.

Alas, Microsoft

Still, he explained his uncertainty. “Remember that Microsoft partly entered the game console business for defensive reasons,” Rosoff said. “The company was concerned that a PlayStation successor would become the default gateway to networked entertainment in the home—Ken Kutaragi promised as much—and cut into consumer PC sales.”

Demand does not equal quantity demanded.  Really?  Here is a little Supply & Demand 101.  If there is no demand for a product then a product does not sell.  If a product does not sell then there is no reason stores will run out of supply so quickly (Amazon ran out of stock just weeks after getting a new shipment).  Besides, just looking at the fact PS3 has been up YOY consistantly proves their is higher demand for it.

From Wikipedia

The basic demand relationship is between the price of a good and the quantity supplied. Generally the relationship is negative or inverse meaning that an increase in price will induce a decrease in the quantity demanded.

The demand curve is a two dimensional depiction of the relationship between price and quantity demanded. Movements along the curve occur only if there is a change in quantity demanded caused by a change in the goods own price. A shift in the demand curve, referred to as a change in demand, occurs only if a non-price determinant of demand changes.

If there is a shortage, why are sales so low?  First, they aren't that low.  Sony has been outselling MS every week WW since the Slim was launched.  Was outselling Nintendo, as well, until the Wii price drop.  However, I have no doubt that the PS3's sales would be slightly higher if they could meet demand.  Now, Wii did have shortages, which I think have been dealt with.  But at the time of the shortages, Nintendo was probably either just making demand or only falling slightly behind.  And for people to even suggest that Nintendo or Sony created false demand but shipping less is just stupid.  Nintendo already made profit off the Wii, so it would be in their best interest to sell more consoles, and in turn more software and controllers.  Sony was said to be losing ~$20 for each PS3 sold.  They could have easily recouped that loss with the purchase of an extra contoller and/or game, and then gone on to make even more profit with more software purchases.  It's in the companies' best interest to get as many consoles out there as possible.  Even VGC had this stated on a list for dumb gaming rumors.

As I've mentioned before, people aren't rushing to stores to buy them and shipments seem to stick around for a while. So, I doubt it's being held back a lot. Remember, Nintendo was still beating the competition silly when they had a shortage. Sony is still under Nintendo. They were only up for 5 weeks last year before Wii sales jumped. Seeing as how low the sales are with a shortage, it is likely a forced shortage. Sales are higher, but by about 50,000 so either they never shipped very much or they are shipping less. I think it is the later.

I was wrong though in that I thought the PS3 was still last. It has been beating the 360 though most of this year.

As for Amazon, if you look up a PS3 it will show you one.  But, if you look at where it shows who's selling it to you, you will see it is Target.  Not Amazon.  Now, this is how it has been for the past few weeks.  I did just check it today and apparently Amazon FINALLY got a shipment.  Actually, it seems Wal-mart finally has them, too.  It appears Sony may be finally pumping out the Slims with the new chipsets.  Though, Best Buy is still out online.  Of course, this doesn't change the fact that both Sony and Nintendo had shortages, with Sony having more severe ones.

Stock has been in for a few days. I was saying this a while back. So, I doubt the shortage is that severe.



yo_john117 on 24 May 2010
epicurean said:
Smashchu2 said:
Ravage27 said:
Sony won't ship more old 2000 models than the 'estimated' demand because they are losing money for each sold.

This news basically confirms that shortages in Q1 prevented the PS3 from outselling the 360 by a comfortable margin. A real pity, because Sony could have sold unholy numbers during the month of March.

It didn't. The sales overall have been very low, so we have no idea if they would have sold more or not. Most likely, they would not of.

This shortage is being very over played. This was a shortage from Gamestop. I just checked Amazon and they have PS3s in stock. Target does too. Walmart and Bestbuy are out of the cheaper models, but not of more expensive ones. This is misconception number 2. There have never been an increase in demand that was not seasonal (i.e. Christmas). There has only been an increase in Quanity Demanded. What's the difference? Changes in demand mean that consumers will buy more units at the same price. If Peanut butter is proven to be good for young children, peanut butter sales will go up. When "Supersize Me," came out, demand for McDonalds went down. Quanity Demanded is what we demand at a set price level. When prices goes up, we demand less and when price goes down, we demand more. What is happening to the PS3 is actually very bad. They are not increase in demand like Nintendo is. They only sell more units when the price falls. PS3s are not totally out of stock, just the ones that are cheap. If consumers really had to have PS3s, the refurbished ones and the higher priced ones would be out of stock, but they are not.

In conclusion, the PS3 would have not beated the 360. There is not a huge demand for PS3s, and the sales it would be seeing are from price drops.

Ugh...why are there so many ignorant people.  The PS3 IS sold out on amazon.  It has been for months.  If you go there and try and buy one, they will REDIRECT you to another company that is selling them for 70 DOLLARS OVER THE MSRP (I know, from your logic, if the PS3 was any good, people would happily fork this over anyway.  That logic is dumb).  It has been like this for months, yet people that want to bash on the ps3 keep claiming it is in stock there.  IT IS NOT.

The 120 GB has been sold out for months on both Best Buy and Gamestop's websites.  The larger hard drive comes and goes, as there is less demand, however, on a normal day they are tough to come by as well (all of my local best buys are currently out of stock of the 250GB).  Target's website says it will be weeks before they are in stock, but you can still order them now (but you wont be getting your PS3 probably for a good month).

I personally couldnt' care less about how much more it would have sold if it hadn't been supply constrained, I just know they are (and have been) tough to get.  It's pretty obvious from your post, however, that you just want to say the XBox is better, and the PS3 is a crappy product no one wants.  Your opinion is noted.

lol no its not.

http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-3-120-GB/dp/B002I0J4VQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1274757092&sr=8-1



NoCtiS_NoX on 25 May 2010
Kenology said:
I think this is BS, really.

Care to explain? Why would gamestop lie about the PS3 out of stock 80% of time?

So you still refuse to accept that there is/was a shortages of PS3?

 

 



epicurean on 25 May 2010
yo_john117 said:
epicurean said:
Smashchu2 said:
Ravage27 said:
Sony won't ship more old 2000 models than the 'estimated' demand because they are losing money for each sold.

This news basically confirms that shortages in Q1 prevented the PS3 from outselling the 360 by a comfortable margin. A real pity, because Sony could have sold unholy numbers during the month of March.

It didn't. The sales overall have been very low, so we have no idea if they would have sold more or not. Most likely, they would not of.

This shortage is being very over played. This was a shortage from Gamestop. I just checked Amazon and they have PS3s in stock. Target does too. Walmart and Bestbuy are out of the cheaper models, but not of more expensive ones. This is misconception number 2. There have never been an increase in demand that was not seasonal (i.e. Christmas). There has only been an increase in Quanity Demanded. What's the difference? Changes in demand mean that consumers will buy more units at the same price. If Peanut butter is proven to be good for young children, peanut butter sales will go up. When "Supersize Me," came out, demand for McDonalds went down. Quanity Demanded is what we demand at a set price level. When prices goes up, we demand less and when price goes down, we demand more. What is happening to the PS3 is actually very bad. They are not increase in demand like Nintendo is. They only sell more units when the price falls. PS3s are not totally out of stock, just the ones that are cheap. If consumers really had to have PS3s, the refurbished ones and the higher priced ones would be out of stock, but they are not.

In conclusion, the PS3 would have not beated the 360. There is not a huge demand for PS3s, and the sales it would be seeing are from price drops.

Ugh...why are there so many ignorant people.  The PS3 IS sold out on amazon.  It has been for months.  If you go there and try and buy one, they will REDIRECT you to another company that is selling them for 70 DOLLARS OVER THE MSRP (I know, from your logic, if the PS3 was any good, people would happily fork this over anyway.  That logic is dumb).  It has been like this for months, yet people that want to bash on the ps3 keep claiming it is in stock there.  IT IS NOT.

The 120 GB has been sold out for months on both Best Buy and Gamestop's websites.  The larger hard drive comes and goes, as there is less demand, however, on a normal day they are tough to come by as well (all of my local best buys are currently out of stock of the 250GB).  Target's website says it will be weeks before they are in stock, but you can still order them now (but you wont be getting your PS3 probably for a good month).

I personally couldnt' care less about how much more it would have sold if it hadn't been supply constrained, I just know they are (and have been) tough to get.  It's pretty obvious from your post, however, that you just want to say the XBox is better, and the PS3 is a crappy product no one wants.  Your opinion is noted.

lol no its not.

http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-3-120-GB/dp/B002I0J4VQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1274757092&sr=8-1


Youre right...NOW.  As of two days ago my quote was correct.  Even yesterday it still said "usually ships in 1-2 weeks".  It also has a new "Newest Version" icon at the top.  My guess would be that they FINALLY got the new 40nm shipment out and have it in stock.  I'm all for it.



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