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Kamal said:
highwaystar101 said:
Kamal said:
@ highwaster101: Depicting any prophet through imagery is considered haram, so drawing the prophet could be conjointly be seen as being attacked, look most people will let this slide and continue what their doing but there are some who will feel that way.

@ Mr Khan: Extremists in every form are hard to boil down history has told us this, so slowly desensitizing it is the best way.

But I'm not part of a religion, why should any religious doctrines apply to me? If I draw Muhammad should it be considered haraam? Should it be forbidden for me to do so, even though I am not a Muslim?

And this is exactly what annoys me. There are those out there (granted they are a minority, but they still exist) who think that their religious doctrines should apply to me.

Let me rephrase it is considered haram for muslims, but it could be a sign of disrespect. That's why I believe there could of been a simpler more considerate way of looking at it, fine you want to take away extremists who doesn't? It will still annoy the normal muslim which I believe is wrong.

 

Look having Kantor, Mr Khan and Highwaster101 is a bit too much for me to handle.

I've just noticed you called me Highwaster in your last post, is that a joke or a mistake?

Anyway, even so, you may consider it disrespectful, as do many Muslims. But these extremists actually believe that I should be forbidden from drawing Muhammad, they believe their religious doctrines should apply to me. If it is considered Haraam only for Muslims, then it should not apply to me, yet some people think it should. You can see why I'm not happy.

I don't oppose Islam in any form, and I certainly don't want to cause offence and I'm sorry if I do. If you watch my video I've tried to make sure that it is aimed at the extremists who don't want me to draw Muhammad as opposed to the moderate Muslims.

And lot's of things cause offence, but that's the price you pay for freedom of speech. The BNP really offend me, but I will happily let them offend me because it is their right, I just expect that I get the same right in return. And I believe that occasionally being offended is a price worth paying for freedom of speech.

 



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I think it's disrespectful, but that's kind of the point. Why does religion demand respect, and why must we heed that demand? And with muslim extremists it's even worse than with most extremist religious groups that demand something they have no intention on paying to any other group. I can say politicians are stupid corrupt and self serving, and I can claim that america is greedy obese and ignorant, I can say the pope is an emperor palpatine look a like that is even more wicked. But to draw a stick figure of a particular guy and have that be worthy of condemnation and even death threats because it is disrepectful to a religion? It's farcical. Ones religion deserves no more respect than one's politics or other ideologies, and while some may see it as hateful, in truth it is just people standing up and saying "We will not be bullied by those demanding what is not deserved."



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highwaystar101 said:
Kamal said:
highwaystar101 said:
Kamal said:
@ highwaster101: Depicting any prophet through imagery is considered haram, so drawing the prophet could be conjointly be seen as being attacked, look most people will let this slide and continue what their doing but there are some who will feel that way.

@ Mr Khan: Extremists in every form are hard to boil down history has told us this, so slowly desensitizing it is the best way.

But I'm not part of a religion, why should any religious doctrines apply to me? If I draw Muhammad should it be considered haraam? Should it be forbidden for me to do so, even though I am not a Muslim?

And this is exactly what annoys me. There are those out there (granted they are a minority, but they still exist) who think that their religious doctrines should apply to me.

Let me rephrase it is considered haram for muslims, but it could be a sign of disrespect. That's why I believe there could of been a simpler more considerate way of looking at it, fine you want to take away extremists who doesn't? It will still annoy the normal muslim which I believe is wrong.

 

Look having Kantor, Mr Khan and Highwaster101 is a bit too much for me to handle.

I've just noticed you called me Highwaster in your last post, is that a joke or a mistake?

Anyway, even so, you may consider it disrespectful, as do many Muslims. But these extremists actually believe that I should be forbidden from drawing Muhammad, they believe their religious doctrines should apply to me. If it is considered Haraam only for Muslims, then it should not apply to me, yet some people think it should. You can see why I'm not happy.

I don't oppose Islam in any form, and I certainly don't want to cause offence and I'm sorry if I do. If you watch my video I've tried to make sure that it is aimed at the extremists who don't want me to draw Muhammad as opposed to the moderate Muslims.

And lot's of things cause offence, but that's the price you pay for freedom of speech. The BNP really offend me, but I will happily let them offend me because it is their right, I just expect that I get the same right in return. And I believe that occasionally being offended is a price worth paying for freedom of speech.

 

Trust me it was just a mistake, but after looking at it I found it kinda funny (;P)



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Dont see any problem with this.Yes people might get offended but theres always people being offended.Maybe when jesus was shown watching porn people got offended,but did they go into some frenzy of anger and violence and give death threats? NO. Quite frankly some people seem to think that freedom of speech if fine as long as it doesnt insult THEIR prophet.



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RockSmith372 said:
Kamal said:
@ highwaster101: Depicting any prophet through imagery is considered haram, so drawing the prophet could be conjointly be seen as being attacked, look most people will let this slide and continue what their doing but there are some who will feel that way.

@ Mr Khan: Extremists in every form are hard to boil down history has told us this, so slowly desensitizing it is the best way.

I assume you are a follower of Islam muslim. I have no disrespect for Islam for one of my best friends is a Muslim, and he is not concerned about the drawings. He views it as disgraceful, but in way is it an attack on the Islam faith. The main point of this is not to hurt Islam, but to show the extremists that people will not tolerate pointless death threats. I am an agnostic, but if I were to follow a religion, it would be Islam. I have a huge respect for the rational Muslims.

Strange because my friends who are not muslims think it's ignorant and disrespectful. They think there are better more mature ways to flush out these extremist ass-holes, instead of insulting a whole religious group. One of my friends is even athiest. She said "yes we are blessed with freedom of speech, but that doesn't mean being irresponsible."

I could give two fucks about extremist they can rot in hell but @ bolded: ironic, isn't this just going to create more death threats?



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Let's put this in a different light a bit. In Hindu religion the cow is sacred, thus lots of hindu do not eat beef. Yet, Hindus do not blow shit up because I go to McDonalds and get a cow burger and eat their sacred animal with a side of fries. If hindus started giving death threats to people all over the world and lost their shit every time they saw a burger king commercial people would be alot less sympathetic. If they did do that kind of crap how many people would go out on "get some beef day" and show some hindu extremists that their religion does not apply to everyone? Would it be a gross sign of disrespect to do so? Would such disrespect be warranted?

Alot of muslism could care less if other people draw muhammed, they just won't do it themselves. That is a far more sane and reasonable stance. Not trying to force your religion on everyone is a reasonable stance. Burning shit down because somebody does something that is taboo in your sacred book of choice is not a sane or reasonable stance. Sometimes disrespect is warrented.

And for those saying there is a better way than desensitization (which is disrespectful apparently) what way would you deal with religious extremists that are willing to strap bombs to themselves and blow up anybody who disagrees with their religious views? How do you propose we deal with that? What is the bright idea that will convince them that death threats and violence are not the proper response to anyone who is perceived as not giving due and demanded respect to their faith of choice? And isn't cultural uprising against such stances greatly preferable to violent physical uprising against individuals? This is a rather tame way to deal with a problem.



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hatmoza said:

I think, why are people trying to deliberately provoke muslims?

Nothing good will come out of this. 

Because muslims arent special, there just like any other relgion out there.


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"This was one Hell of a way to spend my Easter vacation."


Oh noes!! I better remove it or the angry Christians will come behead me!


Islam is suppoed to be the relgion of peace, yet they kill people. Bullshit.

 

(No disrespect to Muslim people)



So, about 60 people think that drawing mohammed is an acceptable way to protest extremist threats, and 2 disagree with it, oh and 1 doesn't care (packy)



An ignorant and disrespectful act from ignorant and disrespectful people

And anyone who think its okay to insult others beliefs is just as low as them



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nen-suer said:

An ignorant and disrespectful act from ignorant and disrespectful people

And anyone who think its okay to insult others beliefs is just as low as them

That's a tad almighty of you to say.

Pray tell, how is this insulting the beliefs of Islam?

The extremists are threatening to destroy anyone who draws Muhammad for no apparent reason since he is their holy prophet.

Their religion is not special as so their prophet is not allowed to be depicted in the media. Jesus is constantly depicted and their reason for drawing him is because they feel their own rights are being infringed upon, they're not insulting beliefs but flipping off the extremists.



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