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Smashchu2 said:
Mummelmann said:
Smashchu2 said:
5 of the top 10 are Nintendo, with most of the non-Nintendo stuff is week one sales. I am waiting for the time in which Nintendo games are the only ones in the top 10.

NSMBWii was pushed to 12 due to week 1 games (and a 3). Just dance doing well in Others. Surprised that Ubisoft actually wants to reduce Wii support after this title.

Maybe, artistically speaking, they want to make games that aren't about dancing as well. Crazy thought.

Except that that dancing title is still selling and may do better then ever game they released this generation.

Business is about making money. If a silly dancing game is what makes you money, you make a silly dancing game. Just Dance will prove that the Wii is where their primary resources need to be. Esscially as Ubisoft and most 3rd party developers are underpreforming, if not losing money.

So, they should only make Just Dance 2, 3, World Tour, Lady GaGa version, 5 etc?

You make perfect sense!

Or more like - You don't get it.



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The Xbox Man said:
A203D said:
Xen said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Wow FF13 has outsold FF9 by 2:1 (EU sales) & FF12 (EU sales) handily within 10 weeks of its launch in EU.

It deserves it!

Well i'm not sure it deserves it, but i'm gald its doing well. the combined PS360 sales numbers are close to 2 mil. it will most likely top FF8 & FF10, but the big milestone is whether it can top FF7, 2.70, less than 1 mil to go. and for once it looks like the sales could top US. absolutly amazing. hopefully with subsequent price cuts, word of mouth etc, it can top FF7 here in EU. it must have been the Leonia Lewis effect, lol... not!

Really its done that well compared to past ones?

I can say the Leona Lewis effect has hurt the game though, most of my friends (who like me are new to FF) got the game because of the amazing CGI cut scenes shown in the trailer, not the shitty song. You have no idea, Leona Lewis is very unpopular among males here. We did all love the game however & we questioned why the song was even in the trailer because the game itself has really epic music that could have been used which could have possibly increased sales, nor did the song give the feel the game gives you. Leona Lewis did nothing but cheapen the commercials.

Lol, yeah i actully didnt mind the Leonia Lewis song, it didnt bother me that much and they only played it once at the end. i can tell you Leonia is popular here in the UK, but my friends didnt agree with her song in the game.

but i mean i'm refferring to combined PS3 & 360 sales which are about 1.8 mil i think. so i think combined they can eaisly get to about 2.30, which is more than FF10, but it will be a challenge getting to 2.70 mil. i heard that M$ paid for Sqaures advertising, that and good word of mouth seem to have been very strong here. i think M$ even paid for that Leonia commercial, lol!



A203D said:
The Xbox Man said:
A203D said:
Xen said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Wow FF13 has outsold FF9 by 2:1 (EU sales) & FF12 (EU sales) handily within 10 weeks of its launch in EU.

It deserves it!

Well i'm not sure it deserves it, but i'm gald its doing well. the combined PS360 sales numbers are close to 2 mil. it will most likely top FF8 & FF10, but the big milestone is whether it can top FF7, 2.70, less than 1 mil to go. and for once it looks like the sales could top US. absolutly amazing. hopefully with subsequent price cuts, word of mouth etc, it can top FF7 here in EU. it must have been the Leonia Lewis effect, lol... not!

Really its done that well compared to past ones?

I can say the Leona Lewis effect has hurt the game though, most of my friends (who like me are new to FF) got the game because of the amazing CGI cut scenes shown in the trailer, not the shitty song. You have no idea, Leona Lewis is very unpopular among males here. We did all love the game however & we questioned why the song was even in the trailer because the game itself has really epic music that could have been used which could have possibly increased sales, nor did the song give the feel the game gives you. Leona Lewis did nothing but cheapen the commercials.

Lol, yeah i actully didnt mind the Leonia Lewis song, it didnt bother me that much and they only played it once at the end. i can tell you Leonia is popular here in the UK, but my friends didnt agree with her song in the game.

but i mean i'm refferring to combined PS3 & 360 sales which are about 1.8 mil i think. so i think combined they can eaisly get to about 2.30, which is more than FF10, but it will be a challenge getting to 2.70 mil. i heard that M$ paid for Sqaures advertising, that and good word of mouth seem to have been very strong here. i think M$ even paid for that Leonia commercial, lol!

You are dead to me hahaha kidding.

Leona is popular but is she popular among males that FF is targeted towards? I'm not sure she is thats why I don't think they enhanced the marketing to suit the audience they should have gone for. Listening to the leona song with FF13 commercials during football matches was awkward.

Like I stated in the other thread aksing the question whether FF13 can be the top selling one in Europe, the best thing to do is compare its sales to titles with LTD in the region each version of FF13 would need to be to get 2.7 Million to see how possible it is. On the other hand yes the word of mouth is very positive here, I don't know why many people on this site are negative about the game, possibly a different fan base is on this site compared to majority of the people in the real world? 



    
The Xbox Man said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Wow FF13 has outsold FF9 by 2:1 (EU sales) & FF12 (EU sales) handily within 10 weeks of its launch in EU.

and it was discounted heavily from 2nd week and the price now is of a pretty old title

Just need to make something clear for you it wasn't discounted heavily from the 2nd week, it was discounted from the 3rd or 4th week.

But you have no clue, in UK (and in a lot of Europe) if a new game holds its normal price for over a month, its a big surprise. For example LittleBigPlanet dropped to £15...5 weeks after its debut. (I'm sure Darth & other UK people know this too)

God of War III has been discounted to £25 in many stores now about a week or two ago. 

If there is demand a game will be bought, if the price is lowered earlier the game will have shorter legs as more people will get it now & not later, this will not affect the games total sales, but you have said in the past you think the game has flopped in sales, so there's no point arguing with your clearly false logic because you will never be impressed.

it was selling at $45 at some places and then further discounted.

 

LBP was a new IP and the reason that SONY was benefiting from selling the game at low prices and then getting more money by the huge lineup on DLC media molecule provided for it.

 

FF13 is an old and one of the ELITE franchises.

 

don't compare GOW with FF,FF is a far grater franchise

 

 

Not saying FF13 did bad but it didn't do grat either and comparing FF series,no way.And in the gen where software sales are off the hook,it should have had greater sales.

 

ASSASSINS CREED sold better than FF and its not just the slaes,the review score and quality dipped

 

FF is one of my top 10 franchises and hate for it to perform this way.hope they come back stongly with FF13 VERSUS,maket it well and make the impact it has done in the past.



Solid_Snake4RD said:
The Xbox Man said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Wow FF13 has outsold FF9 by 2:1 (EU sales) & FF12 (EU sales) handily within 10 weeks of its launch in EU.

and it was discounted heavily from 2nd week and the price now is of a pretty old title

Just need to make something clear for you it wasn't discounted heavily from the 2nd week, it was discounted from the 3rd or 4th week.

But you have no clue, in UK (and in a lot of Europe) if a new game holds its normal price for over a month, its a big surprise. For example LittleBigPlanet dropped to £15...5 weeks after its debut. (I'm sure Darth & other UK people know this too)

God of War III has been discounted to £25 in many stores now about a week or two ago. 

If there is demand a game will be bought, if the price is lowered earlier the game will have shorter legs as more people will get it now & not later, this will not affect the games total sales, but you have said in the past you think the game has flopped in sales, so there's no point arguing with your clearly false logic because you will never be impressed.

it was selling at $45 at some places and then further discounted.

 

LBP was a new IP and the reason that SONY was benefiting from selling the game at low prices and then getting more money by the huge lineup on DLC media molecule provided for it.

 

FF13 is an old and one of the ELITE franchises.

 

don't compare GOW with FF,FF is a far grater franchise

 

 

Not saying FF13 did bad but it didn't do grat either and comparing FF series,no way.And in the gen where software sales are off the hook,it should have had greater sales.

 

ASSASSINS CREED sold better than FF and its not just the slaes,the review score and quality dipped

 

FF is one of my top 10 franchises and hate for it to perform this way.hope they come back stongly with FF13 VERSUS,maket it well and make the impact it has done in the past.

Its going to be one of the best selling ones in the west all said & possibly the best selling one in Europe period, how didn't it do great compared to other ones? And the "no way" shows me you will not accept this, do some research & then talk buddy. No one is comparing GOW with FF, I am telling you prices fall for games her regardless of what they are.

So what if Assassins Creed sold better than FF, they are two separate markets, you cannot compare them, they are two genre's & assassins creed targets a wide audience. Final Fantas targets a audience belonging to a genre (JRPG) that is declining rapidly, be happy its sold over 5 Million

By this logic Metal gear Solid 4 has done disappointing sales too?

You are devoid of logic.



    
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The Xbox Man said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
The Xbox Man said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Wow FF13 has outsold FF9 by 2:1 (EU sales) & FF12 (EU sales) handily within 10 weeks of its launch in EU.

and it was discounted heavily from 2nd week and the price now is of a pretty old title

Just need to make something clear for you it wasn't discounted heavily from the 2nd week, it was discounted from the 3rd or 4th week.

But you have no clue, in UK (and in a lot of Europe) if a new game holds its normal price for over a month, its a big surprise. For example LittleBigPlanet dropped to £15...5 weeks after its debut. (I'm sure Darth & other UK people know this too)

God of War III has been discounted to £25 in many stores now about a week or two ago. 

If there is demand a game will be bought, if the price is lowered earlier the game will have shorter legs as more people will get it now & not later, this will not affect the games total sales, but you have said in the past you think the game has flopped in sales, so there's no point arguing with your clearly false logic because you will never be impressed.

it was selling at $45 at some places and then further discounted.

 

LBP was a new IP and the reason that SONY was benefiting from selling the game at low prices and then getting more money by the huge lineup on DLC media molecule provided for it.

 

FF13 is an old and one of the ELITE franchises.

 

don't compare GOW with FF,FF is a far grater franchise

 

 

Not saying FF13 did bad but it didn't do grat either and comparing FF series,no way.And in the gen where software sales are off the hook,it should have had greater sales.

 

ASSASSINS CREED sold better than FF and its not just the slaes,the review score and quality dipped

 

FF is one of my top 10 franchises and hate for it to perform this way.hope they come back stongly with FF13 VERSUS,maket it well and make the impact it has done in the past.

Its going to be one of the best selling ones in the west all said & possibly the best selling one in Europe period, how didn't it do great compared to other ones? And the "no way" shows me you will not accept this, do some research & then talk buddy. No one is comparing GOW with FF, I am telling you prices fall for games her regardless of what they are.

So what if Assassins Creed sold better than FF, they are two separate markets, you cannot compare them, they are two genre's & assassins creed targets a wide audience. Final Fantas targets a audience belonging to a genre (JRPG) that is declining rapidly, be happy its sold over 5 Million

By this logic Metal gear Solid 4 has done disappointing sales too?

You are devoid of logic.

JRPG's fans are declining but it should do more than that with the proper marketing and its brand name

 

even if you look at the FPS genre which has been popular this gen,it would have sold so well at MW2 did,people were expecting it to  be GTA4 levels at max but they hyped it to hell and it became the 'cool' thin to have.

and FF13 with its name and the amount of shock it caused at E3 2008,you would expect it to sell well which most agmers talked about.

 

prices fall but not the way they did,atleast for FF series and the thing that i was mentioning was that FF13 when launched didn't create the impact it did in the past and wasn't the thing to have.

 

Assasins Creed sold wll but the point i was mentioning was that a gen where many of the ok frnashises sold well,FF13 would have been expected to sell alot better atleast when this gen started and when FF13 was announced but because of the delays and other things,it jsut went downhill.

 

MGS4 didn't do bad,it has always been a niche franchise and in previous versions many sales after 4m have always come from discounted sales.



Mummelmann said:
Or perhaps they want to keep making games like Assassin's Creed 1 and 2 as well? There are ways of making money outside of the Wii (this is the biggest myth this gen) if you make an effort and I don't think any developer dreams of making only dance games.
What if you were a professional painter that was only allowed to draw stick figures? Hardly fulfilling. Most developers will probably want to both turn a profit and make different games.

Except there is the element of time. You can make more money. You can not make more time. As much as they'd "like" to make Assassian's Creed games (or the likes), it is a waste of time when they can be doing different things that will make more money (and may take less time).

The highlight is the reason why gaming (or traditional gaming) is dying. You do not get to make what you want. It was interesting that you mentioned artist becuase most art was created because the artist had to do it. They were commisioned to do something. This is how they got by. This is why modern art is stupid. No one actual commisions the work. They sit in a studio and make weird stuff. Gaming is becoming this too. They make what they think is creative, but no one actually demands it. They do it for themselves, not for others. Game developers today make games for theselves. Just Dance is successful becuase it is what people want. The developers obviously weren't trying to have fun doing it. This is work, not play time.



Xen said:
Everything is in a bit of a downer, though 360+PS3 > Wii, so it's cool.

Yeah two consoles together beat one.. Congratulations.



Smashchu2 said:
Mummelmann said:
Or perhaps they want to keep making games like Assassin's Creed 1 and 2 as well? There are ways of making money outside of the Wii (this is the biggest myth this gen) if you make an effort and I don't think any developer dreams of making only dance games.
What if you were a professional painter that was only allowed to draw stick figures? Hardly fulfilling. Most developers will probably want to both turn a profit and make different games.

Except there is the element of time. You can make more money. You can not make more time. As much as they'd "like" to make Assassian's Creed games (or the likes), it is a waste of time when they can be doing different things that will make more money (and may take less time).

The highlight is the reason why gaming (or traditional gaming) is dying. You do not get to make what you want. It was interesting that you mentioned artist becuase most art was created because the artist had to do it. They were commisioned to do something. This is how they got by. This is why modern art is stupid. No one actual commisions the work. They sit in a studio and make weird stuff. Gaming is becoming this too. They make what they think is creative, but no one actually demands it. They do it for themselves, not for others. Game developers today make games for theselves. Just Dance is successful becuase it is what people want. The developers obviously weren't trying to have fun doing it. This is work, not play time.

Bingo.

This is what so many people don't seem to understand. Game developement is a BUSINESS. You make what the people want, not necessarilly what YOU as a developer want. If all businesses just did what they want rather than what was financially sound and what was demanded by the people, there would be a hell of a lot of companies out of business.



Fab_GS said:
Wow @ FFXIII.
This week (10th) is higher than its 5th week.

it looks like price ps3 isn't  really all market friendly and it looks like for game it's the same