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Oblivion was dumbed down compared to Morrowind but it still managed to be an even better game.

Morrowind was the best game in history until Oblivion was released.

And remember, about "dumbing down" and complexity. There is typically a correlation, but simple isn't always bad. And complex isn't always good.



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vlad321 said:
huaxiong90 said:
I'm just hoping the punching part was an exaggeration. Because that would be too extreme.

Yes and no. There was a lot of alcohol involved in that get together and I know for a fact I woke up with a bruise on my shoulder in the morning.It was an all around weird night.

 

As for everyone else, I like how everyone is already getting defensive.

To take the Picasso example, it sold so much because Picasso is a better artist and one of the best, and yes if you think otherwise are an idiot. I myself like Dali, however I have not even begin to think that Dali is better than Picasso.

Same goes for books, I have read a bunch of RA Salvatore's books gladly, and reading through to the end of Heart of Darkness was just short of being physically painful. However you will never see me ty to pass off the Drizzt series as a better book than Marlow's adventure because that would simply mean I'm ignorant, uneducated, or an idiot.

Same principles apply to video games too. For instance I love Requiem Avenging Angel, I love it a whole ton actually and still have the CD somewhere, yet you will never in your life see me try to push it off as anything other than just a mediocre game. Because that's exactly what it was, no matter how I saw and and from what "agle" I looked at it from.

 

Edit: Basically, any media that is considered as art has fairly clean cut lines about what is actually of good quality and what is just entertaining trash. Video games just do not have this.

The Picasso painting sold more than Michaelangelo, Da Vinci and Donatello paintings. You can call me an idiot all you want but nothing you say will ever convince me that Picasso is better than those three or any other number of artists. According to you something that takes more skill/is more complex should be valued higher regardless of selling potential. Glad to see your a hypocrite and simply claim that Picasso is the greatest because his painting sold the most even though the skill seen in a Da Vinci is in a completely different league in comparison to a Picasso.

Basically your like a child, if anyone disagrees with you, you have a hissy fit and call them names.

"You don't like Picasso's painting, Idiot!"

"You think a console game can be better than a PC game, Idiot!"

Someone like you does not warrant enough respect for a civilized discussion. Punching someone because they disagree with you, yea really classy.

 



                                           

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I hate Picasso's style too. And Nirvana is better than Queen btw.

I see where vlad is coming from though. Quality of art and expressions of culture is not only subjective, but it's vey hard to reach common standards that define quality.



Mendicate Bias said:

The Picasso painting sold more than Michaelangelo, Da Vinci and Donatello paintings. You can call me an idiot all you want but nothing you say will ever convince me that Picasso is better than those three or any other number of artists. According to you something that takes more skill/is more complex should be valued higher regardless of selling potential. Glad to see your a hypocrite and simply claim that Picasso is the greatest because his painting sold the most even though the skill seen in a Da Vinci is in a completely different league in comparison to a Picasso.

Basically your like a child, if anyone disagrees with you, you have a hissy fit and call them names.

"You don't like Picasso's painting, Idiot!"

"You think a console game can be better than a PC game, Idiot!"

Someone like you does not warrant enough respect for a civilized discussion. Punching someone because they disagree with you, yea really classy.

 

I'll make a normal argment first and save the ad hominem for the last part. First of all, I have seen everyone's crowning work, of the ones you mentioned. That is, Guernica, Mona Lisa, the Sistine Chapel, and  Donatello's David. Have you seen Guernica in person? I can tell you it takes every little bit as much skill as anything Donatello and Da Vinci did and nearly as much as the Sistine Chapel. The Last Supper was booked 4 months ahead of time so I never got in but I'd wager it's almost as good as the Sistine Chapel.

Thinking that Guernica took less skill than the Mona Lisa is just a fallacy, and honestly, only a person who knows shit about art would say such a thing, in fact the Mona Lisa is probably the most overrated painting in the art world. You would have been much better off quoting Michalangelo and compare him to Picasso, and even then the two were almost equally skilled in their work.

Furthermore, I also think you don't know jack shit about art because you mentioned Donatello, who is not well known as an artist but a sculptor. Next time you try to appear knowledgeable at least quote Raphael from TMNT, not Donatello, you just look like an idiot who wtaches cartoons otherwise.



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vlad321 said:
Mendicate Bias said:

The Picasso painting sold more than Michaelangelo, Da Vinci and Donatello paintings. You can call me an idiot all you want but nothing you say will ever convince me that Picasso is better than those three or any other number of artists. According to you something that takes more skill/is more complex should be valued higher regardless of selling potential. Glad to see your a hypocrite and simply claim that Picasso is the greatest because his painting sold the most even though the skill seen in a Da Vinci is in a completely different league in comparison to a Picasso.

Basically your like a child, if anyone disagrees with you, you have a hissy fit and call them names.

"You don't like Picasso's painting, Idiot!"

"You think a console game can be better than a PC game, Idiot!"

Someone like you does not warrant enough respect for a civilized discussion. Punching someone because they disagree with you, yea really classy.

 

I'll make a normal argment first and save the ad hominem for the last part. First of all, I have seen everyone's crowning work, of the ones you mentioned. That is, Guernica, Mona Lisa, the Sistine Chapel, and  Donatello's David. Have you seen Guernica in person? I can tell you it takes every little bit as much skill as anything Donatello and Da Vinci did and nearly as much as the Sistine Chapel. The Last Supper was booked 4 months ahead of time so I never got in but I'd wager it's almost as good as the Sistine Chapel.

Thinking that Guernica took less skill than the Mona Lisa is just a fallacy, and honestly, only a person who knows shit about art would say such a thing, in fact the Mona Lisa is probably the most overrated painting in the art world. You would have been much better off quoting Michalangelo and compare him to Picasso, and even then the two were almost equally skilled in their work.

Furthermore, I also think you don't know jack shit about art because you mentioned Donatello, who is not well known as an artist but a sculptor. Next time you try to appear knowledgeable at least quote Raphael from TMNT, not Donatello, you just look like an idiot who wtaches cartoons otherwise.

You listed their most famous paintings not necessarily their best piece of work, if you think Mona Lisa is Da Vinci's best piece then you should go back to wikipedia and do some more research. Donatello is more famous for his sculptings but his paintings still far outclass anything Picasso has painted skill wise. 

Anyways thank you for proving my point, that your an immature kid that calls other people names when he gets frustrated because the rest of the world doesn't think exactly like him. I'll debate with you once you enter the real world an hopefully grow up a little bit.



                                           

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Mendicate Bias said:
vlad321 said:
Mendicate Bias said:

The Picasso painting sold more than Michaelangelo, Da Vinci and Donatello paintings. You can call me an idiot all you want but nothing you say will ever convince me that Picasso is better than those three or any other number of artists. According to you something that takes more skill/is more complex should be valued higher regardless of selling potential. Glad to see your a hypocrite and simply claim that Picasso is the greatest because his painting sold the most even though the skill seen in a Da Vinci is in a completely different league in comparison to a Picasso.

Basically your like a child, if anyone disagrees with you, you have a hissy fit and call them names.

"You don't like Picasso's painting, Idiot!"

"You think a console game can be better than a PC game, Idiot!"

Someone like you does not warrant enough respect for a civilized discussion. Punching someone because they disagree with you, yea really classy.

 

I'll make a normal argment first and save the ad hominem for the last part. First of all, I have seen everyone's crowning work, of the ones you mentioned. That is, Guernica, Mona Lisa, the Sistine Chapel, and  Donatello's David. Have you seen Guernica in person? I can tell you it takes every little bit as much skill as anything Donatello and Da Vinci did and nearly as much as the Sistine Chapel. The Last Supper was booked 4 months ahead of time so I never got in but I'd wager it's almost as good as the Sistine Chapel.

Thinking that Guernica took less skill than the Mona Lisa is just a fallacy, and honestly, only a person who knows shit about art would say such a thing, in fact the Mona Lisa is probably the most overrated painting in the art world. You would have been much better off quoting Michalangelo and compare him to Picasso, and even then the two were almost equally skilled in their work.

Furthermore, I also think you don't know jack shit about art because you mentioned Donatello, who is not well known as an artist but a sculptor. Next time you try to appear knowledgeable at least quote Raphael from TMNT, not Donatello, you just look like an idiot who wtaches cartoons otherwise.

You listed their most famous paintings not necessarily their best piece of work, if you think Mona Lisa is Da Vinci's best piece then you should go back to wikipedia and do some more research. Donatello is more famous for his sculptings but his paintings still far outclass anything Picasso has painted skill wise. 

Anyways thank you for proving my point, that your an immature kid that calls other people names when he gets frustrated because the rest of the world doesn't think exactly like him. I'll debate with you once you enter the real world an hopefully grow up a little bit.

That is utterly false, however I decided to listen to you and looked at Wikipedia, same thing is said there. he only piece of at which youcan argue is more skillfully done is The Last Supper, and while I haven't seen it myself I doubt it is of much higher quality than the Moa Lisa, which is not more skillfully done than Guernica. As for Donatello, his most best contribution is a pair of wondedring angels in the Sistine Chapel, so no, he is not a painter at all, he's a sculptor.

As for the attacks, I'd love to see who the immature one is who started the ad hominem attacks. Pleas go ahead and scroll up. Kind of pathetic how you can't even remember who said what in a simple, written coversation.



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