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vlad321 said:
hobbit said:
 

lol so my post about PC guys being Spoiled Elitist that don't like good games was right? oh noes game is on consoles, wut do? Call it shit and not buy it. What ever; People like that are part of the reason devs have moved away from the pc crowd. I remember being on the Bethesda boards when Oblivion was in development. PC guys were crying because they were showing off the xbox version and not the PC version. Then they showed the PC version and they cried,"Console port confirmed why does Bethesda hate us so", because the font was to big. Just shut up and enjoy the games.

Actually being spoiled is the exact opposite of not liking good games.

I can also guarantee you that you can ask anyone who has played for a while and they will tell you that Oblivion is the worst Elder Scrolls game. Morrowind is still the best of the 4, and then Daggerfall. Oblivion is not a good game that can be "just enjoyed" considering its predecessor was clearly better.

I concur, Morrowind is the best Elder Scrolls game, but that was a console game too. so i don't understand the hate for the devs over oblivion. It was still a good game. by spoiled I mean that you have to have everything your way or you won't like it, even if its still a good game.



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vlad321 said:
hobbit said:
vlad321 said:
hobbit said:
 

oh those greedy bastards, making a console game so they can make more money. I exepect Obama to hold a press conference over this greed, and maybe a Senate hearing. How I would love to here Carl Levin rip EA a new one over this "shitty deal" for pc gamers.

Except that Dragon Age sold better on PC than on the consoles, if I am not mistaken. So no, you are just wrong.


so they failed to turn a profit on the console versions? I find that hard to believe. And what does dragon age have to do with anything? The qoute you used was about BFBC and not making a PC game.

Because Dragon Age for the PC was made properly for the PC and there wass very little dumbing down done to it, and it sold perfectly fine. The quote was not pertaining solely to BC, it pertains to all the developers who whine about why they don't make money on the PC. If they didn't release shit, they would. Instead of taking responsability of their own incompetance, they decide to use a scapegoat, and since so many people are uneducated about the REAL effects and causes of piracy, they can get away with it too.

This perceived "dumbing down" just because a game is on a console is BS and a lame excuse. Im sure Dragon Age was stolen a whole bunch too.



hobbit said:

I concur, Morrowind is the best Elder Scrolls game, but that was a console game too. so i don't understand the hate for the devs over oblivion. It was still a good game. by spoiled I mean that you have to have everything your way or you won't like it, even if its still a good game.

Morrowind didn't make any sacrifices on the PC however. So you are fine with games that are chronologically made later being worse than games before? You are basically fine with games being worse and worse as time progresses?

Oblivion was NOT a good game, why bother with Oblivion when I already have Morrowind? Morrowind is better, that means there is no place for Oblivion. Also yes, as a consumer I expect the developers and companies to bend over and take it up the ass for me and to listen to me, not vice versa.



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HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

hobbit said:

This perceived "dumbing down" just because a game is on a console is BS and a lame excuse. Im sure Dragon Age was stolen a whole bunch too.

It's not jusbecause it's on a console, it's because it has console mechanics. The UI, the movement, the selections, the dialogs, the gameplay, the options, the moddability, etc. etc. When a game is on a console some, ad usually all, of those are dumbed down to fit the lowest common denominator, that being the console.

As for Dragon Age, it was just barely dumbed down for consoles so it sold well.

One last point, you cannot steal a video game unless you physically ran in the store and took the CD off the shelf.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

zero129 said:
vlad321 said:
hobbit said:
 

lol so my post about PC guys being Spoiled Elitist that don't like good games was right? oh noes game is on consoles, wut do? Call it shit and not buy it. What ever; People like that are part of the reason devs have moved away from the pc crowd. I remember being on the Bethesda boards when Oblivion was in development. PC guys were crying because they were showing off the xbox version and not the PC version. Then they showed the PC version and they cried,"Console port confirmed why does Bethesda hate us so", because the font was to big. Just shut up and enjoy the games.

Actually being spoiled is the exact opposite of not liking good games.

I can also guarantee you that you can ask anyone who has played for a while and they will tell you that Oblivion is the worst Elder Scrolls game. Morrowind is still the best of the 4, and then Daggerfall. Oblivion is not a good game that can be "just enjoyed" considering its predecessor was clearly better.

I Played Morrowind and the two expension packs tribunal and bloodmoon and finished them an can clearly tell you i think Oblivion was a much better game but thats just my opinion the same as its your opinion that you think morrowind is better then oblivion so no point in stating it as facts ya know.

I'm sorry, I meant widely believed in that set of people. To each his own though.

Edit: Though I'd also wager that there is a ton of people out there who think that Avatar is a better movie than The Godfather too.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

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vlad321 said:
hobbit said:
 

I concur, Morrowind is the best Elder Scrolls game, but that was a console game too. so i don't understand the hate for the devs over oblivion. It was still a good game. by spoiled I mean that you have to have everything your way or you won't like it, even if its still a good game.

Morrowind didn't make any sacrifices on the PC however. So you are fine with games that are chronologically made later being worse than games before? You are basically fine with games being worse and worse as time progresses?

Oblivion was NOT a good game, why bother with Oblivion when I already have Morrowind? Morrowind is better, that means there is no place for Oblivion. Also yes, as a consumer I expect the developers and companies to bend over and take it up the ass for me and to listen to me, not vice versa.

your making my spoiled pc gamer point for me.



vlad321 said:
hobbit said:
 

This perceived "dumbing down" just because a game is on a console is BS and a lame excuse. Im sure Dragon Age was stolen a whole bunch too.

It's not jusbecause it's on a console, it's because it has console mechanics. The UI, the movement, the selections, the dialogs, the gameplay, the options, the moddability, etc. etc. When a game is on a console some, ad usually all, of those are dumbed down to fit the lowest common denominator, that being the console.

As for Dragon Age, it was just barely dumbed down for consoles so it sold well.

One last point, you cannot steal a video game unless you physically ran in the store and took the CD off the shelf.

not paying for someone elses IP and Copywritten work is stealing.



hobbit said:
vlad321 said:
hobbit said:
 

This perceived "dumbing down" just because a game is on a console is BS and a lame excuse. Im sure Dragon Age was stolen a whole bunch too.

It's not jusbecause it's on a console, it's because it has console mechanics. The UI, the movement, the selections, the dialogs, the gameplay, the options, the moddability, etc. etc. When a game is on a console some, ad usually all, of those are dumbed down to fit the lowest common denominator, that being the console.

As for Dragon Age, it was just barely dumbed down for consoles so it sold well.

One last point, you cannot steal a video game unless you physically ran in the store and took the CD off the shelf.

not paying for someone elses IP and Copywritten work is stealing.

Uh, no it is not. It's copyright infringement, and it's such only a a handful of countries.

As for being spoiled, I guess I am spoiled if I expect developers to release better games as time passes, not worse. I guess I am also spoiled that I won't be playing such games and they won't be seeing my money if that is the case. I guess being a good consumer is now considered being spoiled, sad sad day indeed.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

vlad321 said:
hobbit said:
vlad321 said:
hobbit said:
 

This perceived "dumbing down" just because a game is on a console is BS and a lame excuse. Im sure Dragon Age was stolen a whole bunch too.

It's not jusbecause it's on a console, it's because it has console mechanics. The UI, the movement, the selections, the dialogs, the gameplay, the options, the moddability, etc. etc. When a game is on a console some, ad usually all, of those are dumbed down to fit the lowest common denominator, that being the console.

As for Dragon Age, it was just barely dumbed down for consoles so it sold well.

One last point, you cannot steal a video game unless you physically ran in the store and took the CD off the shelf.

not paying for someone elses IP and Copywritten work is stealing.

Uh, no it is not. It's copyright infringement, and it's such only a a handful of countries.

As for being spoiled, I guess I am spoiled if I expect developers to release better games as time passes, not worse. I guess I am also spoiled that I won't be playing such games and they won't be seeing my money if that is the case. I guess being a good consumer is now considered being spoiled, sad sad day indeed.

does calling it coryright infringement make you feel better? Like you didn't just take something that some people worked hard on and expect to be able to feed their familes and send their kids to college on.

LOL calling a game shit and worse just because its on  consoles makes you a good consumer? lol You defend stealing then call your self  a good consumer? What a load of BS you are.



zero129 said:
vlad321 said:
zero129 said:
vlad321 said:
hobbit said:
 

lol so my post about PC guys being Spoiled Elitist that don't like good games was right? oh noes game is on consoles, wut do? Call it shit and not buy it. What ever; People like that are part of the reason devs have moved away from the pc crowd. I remember being on the Bethesda boards when Oblivion was in development. PC guys were crying because they were showing off the xbox version and not the PC version. Then they showed the PC version and they cried,"Console port confirmed why does Bethesda hate us so", because the font was to big. Just shut up and enjoy the games.

Actually being spoiled is the exact opposite of not liking good games.

I can also guarantee you that you can ask anyone who has played for a while and they will tell you that Oblivion is the worst Elder Scrolls game. Morrowind is still the best of the 4, and then Daggerfall. Oblivion is not a good game that can be "just enjoyed" considering its predecessor was clearly better.

I Played Morrowind and the two expension packs tribunal and bloodmoon and finished them an can clearly tell you i think Oblivion was a much better game but thats just my opinion the same as its your opinion that you think morrowind is better then oblivion so no point in stating it as facts ya know.

I'm sorry, I meant widely believed in that set of people. To each his own though.

Edit: Though I'd also wager that there is a ton of people out there who think that The Dark Knight is a better movie than The Godfather too.

by saying that the is a ton of people who think the Dark knight is a better movie then a Classic timeless movie like the The Godfather  almost feels to me like your insulting my opinion of thinking Oblivion is a better game. by saying Oblivion = Dark Knight, Morrowind = Godfather and im one of the fools who would think a movie like the dark knight could be a better movie then the godfather.

Dont degread my opinion of a game in the same series as lesser then yours.

Maybe I should have compared the Dark Knight and Avatar then?

However, the example I gave is also an example of someone's opnion and how it is lesser than mine, so how is this case any special?



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835