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CommonMan said:
Yes.

"And there was much rejoicing! Yay. . ."

So, they ate the Minstrels?



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Khuutra said:
Microsoft isn't going to leave until Sony is gone, I don't think.

The reason they joined the console business was because of Sony.



ramses01 said:
A203D said:
ironman said:
Zipper said:

Do you think it possible that if not will not be successful, Microsoft will get out of the console race?

No. They will try again next gen.

They said they see it as something that will give the Xbox 360 another 5 years in the market and will continue in the next generation of consoles with their next console

Let say Natal fails, what do you think they will do? how will they keep selling the Xbox 360? The sales now are obviously great, but how could they keep them? can the Xbox 360 really live beyond it 5th year?

Yes, if natal sales fail, the 360 sales will not dip much lower than now over the next few years.

If the Xbox 360 sales starts falling down, do you think they'll just launch their next console to get the advantage like they did in this generation?

I have mixed feeling about this, I just bought my first 360 after being able to use my brothers for two years. So I really would like to have this gen last a little longer so there are more games for the 360, on the flip side, I would love to see what the next console will be.


Most importantly - What will they do if Sony's next console is successful like the PS2 as opposed to the first Xbox? Will they keep their console alive until the generation after? Is Xbox and Microsoft Games Studios really that important to Microsoft from a financial standpoint to the point where if it fails so hard like the first 2 years of the PS3, they will still keep it?

Who cares, as long as they make a profit I think they will stick with it and try again next gen. MS looks at the long term as well as the short, they are very business savy.  

The sales are declining year on year, and i think the sales will continue to decline faster than they have if natal fails. i'm saying there will be great sales, but just not that great; honestly natal is very good, very innovative, but i dont see people like, girlfriends & older people getting into it. i dont see it proloning the life cycle by 5 years.

i think launching a new console is absolute sucicide especailly if natal fails. theres no advantage in that, the components and the performance would have to exceed the ps3 for it to compete with sony. which would make it more expensive to manufacture, and more expensive to consumers. evidently the sales of the wii show that the consumer wants the best bargan, and the PS3 which is the most expensive has sold the least of the 3 consoles. most importantly its very expensive and time consuming to develop HD games, GTA4 costing $100 million, and GTA5 i think is the longest game in development. i think theres no way any developer would think about supporting a new console in the next 4 years minimum.

As for the PS3, i think if microsoft did release their next console, sony would use the PS3 to compete with that. because PS3 already has a complete package, HD games, blu ray player, PS move, 3D etc. it would be sucicide to release new consoles, when the PS3 & 360 havent reached 50 million yet and wii has not hit 100 mil either. considering its taken 5 years to reach 40 million and sales are decllining year on year, then by the next 5 years, arguabally the 360 wouldnt have reached 85 mil.

thats says to me that there just isnt a market for a bigger, better, more expense consoles, especilly in economic recovery and espcaily when the current gen consoles seem to be capable of everthing you want these days. why would anyone pay more for something that can already be done on a cheaper console.

 


Umm what are you talking about? MS could launch a new xbox that is 5 to 10 times more powerful than the PS3 and sell it $299 today. The PS3 is ancient tech at this point. I still think MS should launch a 360+ as the slim. Put a gig of ram in it and dual 32nm valhallas or at least put in a 30% or so speed bump to the CPU and 50-75% bump to the GPU.

I want what your smoking

If they did do that, that would be an Xbox 720 and then Sony and possibly Nintendo would try to one up them by doing the same or more and before we know it we are in the 8th generation of videogames.



I am curious if people here don't think the videogame industry would be adversely affected by Microsoft pulling out. I won't put it on par with Atari posting record losses, which helped trigger the crash, but wouldn't it have a large impact? I think even Sony pulling out would cause the venture capital drying up to fund new game development to accelerate. It means the industry has hit a max point and is in decline. It would send shockwaves I believe. Don't think for a minute it would be awesome for your console of choice.

If Natal fails, it means that Nintendo is the only ones who do motion control right. I say that knowing there is Move out there, but the bloom would be off, and motion control would be seen as a Nintendo thing. Well, I am saying this with the assumption that Natal is priced competitively and works well. I know people hold out hope for Move being all that, but how exactly does Move succeed and Natal don't? Are owners of the PS3 more eager to get motion control than XBox owners? Failure of Natal means that the Blue Ocean Nintendo created isn't a growth path for videogames, and the industry is back again to the cycle of more and more expenses sunk on better and better graphics (with diminishing returns).



RolStoppable said:
Khuutra said:
Microsoft isn't going to leave until Sony is gone, I don't think.

I think the same way, that's why I want Sony gone.

Rol, what do you think the financial markets' take on the videogame industry would be if both Sony and Microsoft pulled out of the market and Nintendo was the only one left?  Do you think there would be much funding for game development made available?  Do you think any board of directors is going to give a green light to enter into a marketspace which had large costs of entry?  Expect to see a lot of game studios go under, EA being among the top of them.

Or, maybe you think that the choices for gamers should be Apple or Nintendo.  You an Apple fan, and think they are better than Sony and Microsoft?



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TheNoobHolocaust said:
ramses01 said:

Umm what are you talking about? MS could launch a new xbox that is 5 to 10 times more powerful than the PS3 and sell it $299 today. The PS3 is ancient tech at this point. I still think MS should launch a 360+ as the slim. Put a gig of ram in it and dual 32nm valhallas or at least put in a 30% or so speed bump to the CPU and 50-75% bump to the GPU.

I want what your smoking

If they did do that, that would be an Xbox 720 and then Sony and possibly Nintendo would try to one up them by doing the same or more and before we know it we are in the 8th generation of videogames.

You realize that the PS3 is at least 2 full generations behind state of the art right, more like 3 for the GPU?

What I described is a more a 540 than a 720.  That fits with MS's concept of forward compatitabilty.  540 could easily get them to 2113 and be able to smoke the ps3 with 60 fps, 1080p and probably 3D.  It wouldn't even really require much if any extra development to support the higher res, just have the game detect which version of the 360 the consumer has and if it is the 540 then render at higher resolution and use more AA.



ZenfoldorVGI said:

Microsoft is not in the console gaming business to make money. They are in the console gaming business to bring competition to Sony. No matter how much money they lose, or time they invest, they will not leave the console gaming business until either Microsoft dies, or Sony stops making the Playstation(unless investors demand it, but they never have and they very likely never will, especially when Obama keeps bringing up their brand in every other speech). F'n with the Playstation is the current goal(see competition disruption), and the Xbox is the monkey wrench for their plans.

You see, a few years ago, when the Playstation was released, MS was already in the gaming business on its Windows platform. However, Playstation and Nintendo were mounting serious competition to Microsoft in this respect. So, they cooked up the Xbox brand to disrupt the console gaming market, so they could gobble up a larger piece of the gaming pie, and bring down their competitors as MS is prone to do.

It's actually worked, if you look at their second generation console. It's actually outsold the Playstation console at this point, by a significant margin, and if it does "lose" this generation, it will likely be long after their next Xbox is on the market, and then only by a slim margin.

As for your question of "what if the PS4 is as popular as the PS2 again" that's impossible. The days of console dominance of that scale are gone. The fanboys have seen to that. There will never be a dominant console again, amongst core gamers. We are split. The PS2 came along at a perfect time. After a great previous generation, at a good price, containing new and accepted tech, DVD, with good launch titles, and most importantly, terrible competition. The Gamecube had a huge kiddy stigma at that point and time, and the Xbox was too expensive, and had a "doomed to failure, don't invest your money in this thing" stigma going for it as well, along with a lackluster lineup. The only choice for gamers really was the PS2.

No console shall ever again have an equivelant exclusive lineup, because everything is moving multiplatform. The advantages the PS2 had, simply cannot be had in today's gaming environment without casual support at a significant percentage. You might see a console do better than another one, but you won't see a dominant one at the level of the PS2 vs competition(again, I mean "without significant casual support" here). It's an impossible dream, especially with the brand recognition and prestige the Xbox has garnered in North America, gamings most influential region(imo).

...so no, no they won't. In fact, I think out of the big 3, Xbox is the second most secure brand.

i have to agree, as long as microsoft is around playstation will find it diffiucult to be the top dog it once was,



The X360 will die out but there's no way Microsoft will leave the gaming industries, they finally got there foot in the door and they had a pretty successful generation.



ramses01 said:
TheNoobHolocaust said:
ramses01 said:

Umm what are you talking about? MS could launch a new xbox that is 5 to 10 times more powerful than the PS3 and sell it $299 today. The PS3 is ancient tech at this point. I still think MS should launch a 360+ as the slim. Put a gig of ram in it and dual 32nm valhallas or at least put in a 30% or so speed bump to the CPU and 50-75% bump to the GPU.

I want what your smoking

If they did do that, that would be an Xbox 720 and then Sony and possibly Nintendo would try to one up them by doing the same or more and before we know it we are in the 8th generation of videogames.

You realize that the PS3 is at least 2 full generations behind state of the art right, more like 3 for the GPU?

What I described is a more a 540 than a 720.  That fits with MS's concept of forward compatitabilty.  540 could easily get them to 2113 and be able to smoke the ps3 with 60 fps, 1080p and probably 3D.  It wouldn't even really require much if any extra development to support the higher res, just have the game detect which version of the 360 the consumer has and if it is the 540 then render at higher resolution and use more AA.

its 2 full generations ahead in theory yes LOL



ramses01 said:
TheNoobHolocaust said:
ramses01 said:

Umm what are you talking about? MS could launch a new xbox that is 5 to 10 times more powerful than the PS3 and sell it $299 today. The PS3 is ancient tech at this point. I still think MS should launch a 360+ as the slim. Put a gig of ram in it and dual 32nm valhallas or at least put in a 30% or so speed bump to the CPU and 50-75% bump to the GPU.

I want what your smoking

If they did do that, that would be an Xbox 720 and then Sony and possibly Nintendo would try to one up them by doing the same or more and before we know it we are in the 8th generation of videogames.

You realize that the PS3 is at least 2 full generations behind state of the art right, more like 3 for the GPU?

What I described is a more a 540 than a 720.  That fits with MS's concept of forward compatitabilty.  540 could easily get them to 2113 and be able to smoke the ps3 with 60 fps, 1080p and probably 3D.  It wouldn't even really require much if any extra development to support the higher res, just have the game detect which version of the 360 the consumer has and if it is the 540 then render at higher resolution and use more AA.

Now I really want what your smoking.

And do you seriously believe that Sony and Nintendo wouldn't counter. Thats so ignorant that it makes me laugh. Where are my facepalm pics?