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Fab_GS said:
AkibaFan said:
Fab_GS said:

 

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VIII_Technical_Demo

Fail.

Tht proves nthing jst like FF7 technical demo for ps3 proved nthing

Someone is mad.......

Yeah i actully agree, that dosent prove they're planning a remake, even though its unlikely it could happen eventually. it just proves that sqaure's (Normura i guess) ego hit an all time high because of the success of Advent Children.

then again, Kitase has said that the compliation of FF7 will conclude on FF7's 20th aniversary, and some other guy said 'the best is yet to come', so i think that when they've mastered the crystal tools engine, they will do it, and maybe 8 & 9 as well. who knows, they may not, i'm not bothered really, they should focus on newer titles.



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AkibaFan said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:

We'll see.  But they've done it multiple times now.  And we've seen in multiple interviews that the people who work on the Final Fantasy series don't really seem to care about critisism or reviews, or even sales.  Just about 'their vision'.  And that can be a bad sign, as even if they think their vision is the 'right' one and just keep pressing on...when sales are going down.

u cnt blame them. They did cater to fans once. whn old skool fans wnted ld school FF they gave them FF9 & it sold the worst out of all PS FF's (FF13 will outsell it soon). 

Sales aren't going dwn, ff13 will do more than ff9 & 12. When a  FF does below 5 Million its time to wrry.

On the first comment, i'm pretty sure that Yochi Wada will never let Kitase & Toriyama have full control of their 'vision' for the next installment, and i dont think he'll let someone else have that much control over a project for FF15, so i have no idea what road that will take. but look at Yatsumi Matsuno, who wanted to make Basch the main character of FF12. sqaure didnt let him have his vision, which i think would've been way better than Vaan & Penelo, so its anybodys guess.

i also think that releasing FF9 on the PSN will give them indication of where they can take the series next. if it does better than FF8 or not will give them a good idea of what the fans want next. and i think that the odds were stacked pretty high against FF9 when it came out, so thats why it wasnt as successful. i mean, the super-deformed look didnt help after the photo-realism brought by FF8 and it did come out as PS2 was taking off when PS1 was going out. 

i'm not trying to say catering to the fans is the best idea, but its the lesser of two evils, when catering to the developers means a strict vision that may, may not work. yeah sales are looking good for FF13, but i think if they've sold less than FF8/FF10 (about 7.5-8 mil), wada will look at that and i'm pretty sure wada wants to exceed that because sales have gone down since those installments.



A203D said:
Fab_GS said:
AkibaFan said:
Fab_GS said:

 

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VIII_Technical_Demo

Fail.

Tht proves nthing jst like FF7 technical demo for ps3 proved nthing

Someone is mad.......

Yeah i actully agree, that dosent prove they're planning a remake, even though its unlikely it could happen eventually. it just proves that sqaure's (Normura i guess) ego hit an all time high because of the success of Advent Children.

then again, Kitase has said that the compliation of FF7 will conclude on FF7's 20th aniversary, and some other guy said 'the best is yet to come', so i think that when they've mastered the crystal tools engine, they will do it, and maybe 8 & 9 as well. who knows, they may not, i'm not bothered really, they should focus on newer titles.

I know it doesn't prove anything. I was commenting on his attitude.



AkibaFan said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
A203D said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
AkibaFan said:

ff10 didnt get 10 million because evn though it is seen as classic nw, when it relesd ther ws lots of negativty about it & ppl sed it wsnt as gud as ff9, ff8 & ff7. so word of mouth stpped it getting to 10 million.

I thnk FF10 is overtracked here, on wikipedia it has link to investor report saying FF10 has shipped 6.6 Million.

FF15 won't. RPG's dnt sell tht much anymore. FF15 wnt even sell more than FF13 which will do betwn 6 - 7 Million. Expect ff15 to do ff9 level sales

FF10 also didn't get to 10 million because its not as big of a series as Square thinks it is.  And none of the following games have.  They do this every gen.  They try and make a bigger and better Final Fantasy and think it'll sell just because they made it prittier and threw more money and hype behind it.

And I agree.  In the next gen, they'll probably try to do the exact same thing.  Make an even MORE expensive game to try to build up the hype again from what they lost with FFXIII...and instead, it'll only sell 3/4 the amount of FFXIII.  Because instead of focusing on what's important, they'll just completely change everything again.

On that last point, i dont think sqaure will ever let this type of thing happen again. i'm not saying FF13 is a bad game, but i am saying that i dont think they'll make a game like that again. it wasnt recieved as well by western reviewers as they had hoped. and it has 3 stars out of 5 on amazon japan, and thats out of 2000 japanese fans, which is their home market. so i'm hoping they realise what they have to focus for the next one. also hopefully it will be helmed by a different team, not Kitase, Toriyama, Normora etc, so it wont neccessarily be another expensive cutscene fest.

the reason i think that FF15 could hit the 8-10 million mark, is because of assassins creed 1&2, i know they're not RPGs, but they have similar elements, like character driven narrative, and a strong single player story driven game. and thats why i think theres a market out there for this type of game.

We'll see.  But they've done it multiple times now.  And we've seen in multiple interviews that the people who work on the Final Fantasy series don't really seem to care about critisism or reviews, or even sales.  Just about 'their vision'.  And that can be a bad sign, as even if they think their vision is the 'right' one and just keep pressing on...when sales are going down.

u cnt blame them. They did cater to fans once. whn old skool fans wnted ld school FF they gave them FF9 & it sold the worst out of all PS FF's (FF13 will outsell it soon). 

Sales aren't going dwn, ff13 will do more than ff9 & 12. When a  FF does below 5 Million its time to wrry.

Sales are going down.  Its a lopsided and gradual decline, but sales are going down.

Its also a case of different goals.  Wada and the 'CEOs' (or financial and advertising side) excpected FFXIII to do as good or better than FFVII, simply because it was on a new platform and was 'bigger and better' than FFVII.  Plus because they were pumping more money into it than any FF game ever seen.  Where the developers of the game such as Kitase and Nomura were just trying to make a game and didn't have any real goal in mind.

That's the problem.  They don't have a focus.  The same thing happened with FFX as well.  People consider that game a success because it sold well, but it still didn't reach the sales of FFVII.  And the goal set by the company was to surpass the sales of FFVII, as they put a lot more money and advertising into FFX.



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Kenryoku_Maxis said:
AkibaFan said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
A203D said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
AkibaFan said:

ff10 didnt get 10 million because evn though it is seen as classic nw, when it relesd ther ws lots of negativty about it & ppl sed it wsnt as gud as ff9, ff8 & ff7. so word of mouth stpped it getting to 10 million.

I thnk FF10 is overtracked here, on wikipedia it has link to investor report saying FF10 has shipped 6.6 Million.

FF15 won't. RPG's dnt sell tht much anymore. FF15 wnt even sell more than FF13 which will do betwn 6 - 7 Million. Expect ff15 to do ff9 level sales

FF10 also didn't get to 10 million because its not as big of a series as Square thinks it is.  And none of the following games have.  They do this every gen.  They try and make a bigger and better Final Fantasy and think it'll sell just because they made it prittier and threw more money and hype behind it.

And I agree.  In the next gen, they'll probably try to do the exact same thing.  Make an even MORE expensive game to try to build up the hype again from what they lost with FFXIII...and instead, it'll only sell 3/4 the amount of FFXIII.  Because instead of focusing on what's important, they'll just completely change everything again.

On that last point, i dont think sqaure will ever let this type of thing happen again. i'm not saying FF13 is a bad game, but i am saying that i dont think they'll make a game like that again. it wasnt recieved as well by western reviewers as they had hoped. and it has 3 stars out of 5 on amazon japan, and thats out of 2000 japanese fans, which is their home market. so i'm hoping they realise what they have to focus for the next one. also hopefully it will be helmed by a different team, not Kitase, Toriyama, Normora etc, so it wont neccessarily be another expensive cutscene fest.

the reason i think that FF15 could hit the 8-10 million mark, is because of assassins creed 1&2, i know they're not RPGs, but they have similar elements, like character driven narrative, and a strong single player story driven game. and thats why i think theres a market out there for this type of game.

We'll see.  But they've done it multiple times now.  And we've seen in multiple interviews that the people who work on the Final Fantasy series don't really seem to care about critisism or reviews, or even sales.  Just about 'their vision'.  And that can be a bad sign, as even if they think their vision is the 'right' one and just keep pressing on...when sales are going down.

u cnt blame them. They did cater to fans once. whn old skool fans wnted ld school FF they gave them FF9 & it sold the worst out of all PS FF's (FF13 will outsell it soon). 

Sales aren't going dwn, ff13 will do more than ff9 & 12. When a  FF does below 5 Million its time to wrry.

Sales are going down.  Its a lopsided and gradual decline, but sales are going down.

Its also a case of different goals.  Wada and the 'CEOs' (or financial and advertising side) excpected FFXIII to do as good or better than FFVII, simply because it was on a new platform and was 'bigger and better' than FFVII.  Plus because they were pumping more money into it than any FF game ever seen.  Where the developers of the game such as Kitase and Nomura were just trying to make a game and didn't have any real goal in mind.

That's the problem.  They don't have a focus.  The same thing happened with FFX as well.  People consider that game a success because it sold well, but it still didn't reach the sales of FFVII.  And the goal set by the company was to surpass the sales of FFVII, as they put a lot more money and advertising into FFX.

I already corrected u on this in another thread. U keep saying this all the time but ur wrong. When they wer talking to their investors they sed FF13 is expcted to ship 6 Million. Later on they told a magazine they "hope" it can sell like ff7, duh, they did tht to hype it. Their tru expctations are those they laid out in financial meeting. And that was 6 Million.

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6230719.html

Wht is the point in correcting u in the othr thread if u jst ignore it?

So FF13 will do bettr than expcted in sales. Wit FF10 however they sed they expcted 10 million in the financial investors meeting, so tht did underperform.



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AkibaFan said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
AkibaFan said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
A203D said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
AkibaFan said:

ff10 didnt get 10 million because evn though it is seen as classic nw, when it relesd ther ws lots of negativty about it & ppl sed it wsnt as gud as ff9, ff8 & ff7. so word of mouth stpped it getting to 10 million.

I thnk FF10 is overtracked here, on wikipedia it has link to investor report saying FF10 has shipped 6.6 Million.

FF15 won't. RPG's dnt sell tht much anymore. FF15 wnt even sell more than FF13 which will do betwn 6 - 7 Million. Expect ff15 to do ff9 level sales

FF10 also didn't get to 10 million because its not as big of a series as Square thinks it is.  And none of the following games have.  They do this every gen.  They try and make a bigger and better Final Fantasy and think it'll sell just because they made it prittier and threw more money and hype behind it.

And I agree.  In the next gen, they'll probably try to do the exact same thing.  Make an even MORE expensive game to try to build up the hype again from what they lost with FFXIII...and instead, it'll only sell 3/4 the amount of FFXIII.  Because instead of focusing on what's important, they'll just completely change everything again.

On that last point, i dont think sqaure will ever let this type of thing happen again. i'm not saying FF13 is a bad game, but i am saying that i dont think they'll make a game like that again. it wasnt recieved as well by western reviewers as they had hoped. and it has 3 stars out of 5 on amazon japan, and thats out of 2000 japanese fans, which is their home market. so i'm hoping they realise what they have to focus for the next one. also hopefully it will be helmed by a different team, not Kitase, Toriyama, Normora etc, so it wont neccessarily be another expensive cutscene fest.

the reason i think that FF15 could hit the 8-10 million mark, is because of assassins creed 1&2, i know they're not RPGs, but they have similar elements, like character driven narrative, and a strong single player story driven game. and thats why i think theres a market out there for this type of game.

We'll see.  But they've done it multiple times now.  And we've seen in multiple interviews that the people who work on the Final Fantasy series don't really seem to care about critisism or reviews, or even sales.  Just about 'their vision'.  And that can be a bad sign, as even if they think their vision is the 'right' one and just keep pressing on...when sales are going down.

u cnt blame them. They did cater to fans once. whn old skool fans wnted ld school FF they gave them FF9 & it sold the worst out of all PS FF's (FF13 will outsell it soon). 

Sales aren't going dwn, ff13 will do more than ff9 & 12. When a  FF does below 5 Million its time to wrry.

Sales are going down.  Its a lopsided and gradual decline, but sales are going down.

Its also a case of different goals.  Wada and the 'CEOs' (or financial and advertising side) excpected FFXIII to do as good or better than FFVII, simply because it was on a new platform and was 'bigger and better' than FFVII.  Plus because they were pumping more money into it than any FF game ever seen.  Where the developers of the game such as Kitase and Nomura were just trying to make a game and didn't have any real goal in mind.

That's the problem.  They don't have a focus.  The same thing happened with FFX as well.  People consider that game a success because it sold well, but it still didn't reach the sales of FFVII.  And the goal set by the company was to surpass the sales of FFVII, as they put a lot more money and advertising into FFX.

I already corrected u on this in another thread. U keep saying this all the time but ur wrong. When they wer talking to their investors they sed FF13 is expcted to ship 6 Million. Later on they told a magazine they "hope" it can sell like ff7, duh, they did tht to hype it. Their tru expctations are those they laid out in financial meeting. And that was 6 Million.

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6230719.html

Wht is the point in correcting u in the othr thread if u jst ignore it?

So FF13 will do bettr than expcted in sales. Wit FF10 however they sed they expcted 10 million in the financial investors meeting, so tht did underperform.

First of all, the link you just provided me was to another magazine interview.  Not an investors briefing.  Second of all, stating to the press or stating to investors you want a game to sell a certain amount wasn't my main point here.  My main point was each title, they keep pumping more and more money into the advertising and funding of each game.  As if they EXPECT it to sell more.  They can say to either their investors, magazines or Jack Thompson for all it matters that they expect it to sell a certain amount, but their effort shows that they want it to perform better.

If someone sells 100 apples by putting forth $10 in advertising, and then turns around and sells only 80 apples with $50 woth of advertising, they can't say it was all 'as planned'.



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Kenryoku_Maxis said:
AkibaFan said:
 

I already corrected u on this in another thread. U keep saying this all the time but ur wrong. When they wer talking to their investors they sed FF13 is expcted to ship 6 Million. Later on they told a magazine they "hope" it can sell like ff7, duh, they did tht to hype it. Their tru expctations are those they laid out in financial meeting. And that was 6 Million.

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6230719.html

Wht is the point in correcting u in the othr thread if u jst ignore it?

So FF13 will do bettr than expcted in sales. Wit FF10 however they sed they expcted 10 million in the financial investors meeting, so tht did underperform.

First of all, the link you just provided me was to another magazine interview.  Not an investors briefing.  Second of all, stating to the press or stating to investors you want a game to sell a certain amount wasn't my main point here.  My main point was each title, they keep pumping more and more money into the advertising and funding of each game.  As if they EXPECT it to sell more.  They can say to either their investors, magazines or Jack Thompson for all it matters that they expect it to sell a certain amount, but their effort shows that they want it to perform better.

If someone sells 100 apples by putting forth $10 in advertising, and then turns around and sells only 80 apples with $50 woth of advertising, they can't say it was all 'as planned'.

Edit: nvm don't want to argue about this. Deleted what I said



maybe because the PS1 versions are backward compatible with the PS2?



Kenryoku_Maxis said:
AkibaFan said:
A203D said:
Yeah i can imagine FF12 was supposed to be released a lot sooner than 2006/2007, sakaguchi was the executitive producer for that, which explains why it took so long, because he left sqaure around that time i believe.

about FF10: 10 million, it did do extremely well, but do you think FFXV could reach that? it would be awesome for an FF title to reach that height again. oh and why do you guys think FF10 didnt sell 10 million??

ff10 didnt get 10 million because evn though it is seen as classic nw, when it relesd ther ws lots of negativty about it & ppl sed it wsnt as gud as ff9, ff8 & ff7. so word of mouth stpped it getting to 10 million.

I thnk FF10 is overtracked here, on wikipedia it has link to investor report saying FF10 has shipped 6.6 Million.

FF15 won't. RPG's dnt sell tht much anymore. FF15 wnt even sell more than FF13 which will do betwn 6 - 7 Million. Expect ff15 to do ff9 level sales

FF10 also didn't get to 10 million because its not as big of a series as Square thinks it is.  And none of the following games have.  They do this every gen.  They try and make a bigger and better Final Fantasy and think it'll sell just because they made it prittier and threw more money and hype behind it.

And I agree.  In the next gen, they'll probably try to do the exact same thing.  Make an even MORE expensive game to try to build up the hype again from what they lost with FFXIII...and instead, it'll only sell 3/4 the amount of FFXIII.  Because instead of focusing on what's important, they'll just completely change everything again.

 Except that FFX cost less to develop than FFIX :D