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AkibaFan said:
outlawauron said:
AkibaFan said:
Fab_GS said:
AkibaFan said:
A203D said:
Yeah i can imagine FF12 was supposed to be released a lot sooner than 2006/2007, sakaguchi was the executitive producer for that, which explains why it took so long, because he left sqaure around that time i believe.

about FF10: 10 million, it did do extremely well, but do you think FFXV could reach that? it would be awesome for an FF title to reach that height again. oh and why do you guys think FF10 didnt sell 10 million??

ff10 didnt get 10 million because evn though it is seen as classic nw, when it relesd ther ws lots of negativty about it & ppl sed it wsnt as gud as ff9, ff8 & ff7. so word of mouth stpped it getting to 10 million.

I thnk FF10 is overtracked here, on wikipedia it has link to investor report saying FF10 has shipped 6.6 Million.

FF15 won't. RPG's dnt sell tht much anymore. FF15 wnt even sell more than FF13 which will do betwn 6 - 7 Million. Expect ff15 to do ff9 level sales

Check the date. It's from 2004.

ff10 came in 2001. We knw ff games dnt have big legs beyond their first year or 2 year. so u wnt me to believe they shipped over 1.5 Million + copies more of it? yeh right...

Final Fantasy always has legs in the West. Final Fantasy XII was still selling 1-2k every week last year!

bt tht wud jst give it 50K - 100K for 1 year. hw did they ship xtra 1.5 million?

>_>

You took a literal example from another game and applied to a different game with a different timeline. Do some research.

Due to VGC's incomplete data, we don't have weekly numbers for FFX. We can see that from 2004 till now, FFX sold an additional 1 million in Japan + 270k from the International version which may or may not be included. It's highly unlikely that any moderate-large adjustment would be needed for such an old title.



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This is a huge pile of bullshit.

The article was written ten years, MONTHS after FF9's release, and the amount of time needed to fully remake EACH of those for the PS2 would make mountainous amounts of time.

Once again: never listen to gamespot.



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A203D said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
AkibaFan said:

ff10 didnt get 10 million because evn though it is seen as classic nw, when it relesd ther ws lots of negativty about it & ppl sed it wsnt as gud as ff9, ff8 & ff7. so word of mouth stpped it getting to 10 million.

I thnk FF10 is overtracked here, on wikipedia it has link to investor report saying FF10 has shipped 6.6 Million.

FF15 won't. RPG's dnt sell tht much anymore. FF15 wnt even sell more than FF13 which will do betwn 6 - 7 Million. Expect ff15 to do ff9 level sales

FF10 also didn't get to 10 million because its not as big of a series as Square thinks it is.  And none of the following games have.  They do this every gen.  They try and make a bigger and better Final Fantasy and think it'll sell just because they made it prittier and threw more money and hype behind it.

And I agree.  In the next gen, they'll probably try to do the exact same thing.  Make an even MORE expensive game to try to build up the hype again from what they lost with FFXIII...and instead, it'll only sell 3/4 the amount of FFXIII.  Because instead of focusing on what's important, they'll just completely change everything again.

On that last point, i dont think sqaure will ever let this type of thing happen again. i'm not saying FF13 is a bad game, but i am saying that i dont think they'll make a game like that again. it wasnt recieved as well by western reviewers as they had hoped. and it has 3 stars out of 5 on amazon japan, and thats out of 2000 japanese fans, which is their home market. so i'm hoping they realise what they have to focus for the next one. also hopefully it will be helmed by a different team, not Kitase, Toriyama, Normora etc, so it wont neccessarily be another expensive cutscene fest.

the reason i think that FF15 could hit the 8-10 million mark, is because of assassins creed 1&2, i know they're not RPGs, but they have similar elements, like character driven narrative, and a strong single player story driven game. and thats why i think theres a market out there for this type of game.

We'll see.  But they've done it multiple times now.  And we've seen in multiple interviews that the people who work on the Final Fantasy series don't really seem to care about critisism or reviews, or even sales.  Just about 'their vision'.  And that can be a bad sign, as even if they think their vision is the 'right' one and just keep pressing on...when sales are going down.



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Kenryoku_Maxis said:
A203D said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
AkibaFan said:

ff10 didnt get 10 million because evn though it is seen as classic nw, when it relesd ther ws lots of negativty about it & ppl sed it wsnt as gud as ff9, ff8 & ff7. so word of mouth stpped it getting to 10 million.

I thnk FF10 is overtracked here, on wikipedia it has link to investor report saying FF10 has shipped 6.6 Million.

FF15 won't. RPG's dnt sell tht much anymore. FF15 wnt even sell more than FF13 which will do betwn 6 - 7 Million. Expect ff15 to do ff9 level sales

FF10 also didn't get to 10 million because its not as big of a series as Square thinks it is.  And none of the following games have.  They do this every gen.  They try and make a bigger and better Final Fantasy and think it'll sell just because they made it prittier and threw more money and hype behind it.

And I agree.  In the next gen, they'll probably try to do the exact same thing.  Make an even MORE expensive game to try to build up the hype again from what they lost with FFXIII...and instead, it'll only sell 3/4 the amount of FFXIII.  Because instead of focusing on what's important, they'll just completely change everything again.

On that last point, i dont think sqaure will ever let this type of thing happen again. i'm not saying FF13 is a bad game, but i am saying that i dont think they'll make a game like that again. it wasnt recieved as well by western reviewers as they had hoped. and it has 3 stars out of 5 on amazon japan, and thats out of 2000 japanese fans, which is their home market. so i'm hoping they realise what they have to focus for the next one. also hopefully it will be helmed by a different team, not Kitase, Toriyama, Normora etc, so it wont neccessarily be another expensive cutscene fest.

the reason i think that FF15 could hit the 8-10 million mark, is because of assassins creed 1&2, i know they're not RPGs, but they have similar elements, like character driven narrative, and a strong single player story driven game. and thats why i think theres a market out there for this type of game.

We'll see.  But they've done it multiple times now.  And we've seen in multiple interviews that the people who work on the Final Fantasy series don't really seem to care about critisism or reviews, or even sales.  Just about 'their vision'.  And that can be a bad sign, as even if they think their vision is the 'right' one and just keep pressing on...when sales are going down.

u cnt blame them. They did cater to fans once. whn old skool fans wnted ld school FF they gave them FF9 & it sold the worst out of all PS FF's (FF13 will outsell it soon). 

Sales aren't going dwn, ff13 will do more than ff9 & 12. When a  FF does below 5 Million its time to wrry.



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dtewi said:
This is a huge pile of bullshit.

The article was written ten years, MONTHS after FF9's release, and the amount of time needed to fully remake EACH of those for the PS2 would make mountainous amounts of time.

Once again: never listen to gamespot.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_IX

i was a bit sckeptical as well, but the triva bit in that link says that there were plans to remake FF9&7, i'm sure it will say that for the FF8 section as well. I'm not sure if it would take that long actully, if you think back FFX-2 was made over 6 months (i think), so i think its reasonable to assume that 7.8 & 9 could've had similar development timespans, maybe a year each, so they could come out 1 year after the other, because at that point sqaure probabily had a great working knowledge of the PS2 and the game engine they used to make FF10.

i'm sure Kitase has actully said that if they could do a remake of FF7 in one year they would do it, so you never know it could happen. and i'm not sure about FF5 & 6, but i heard some stuff recently about how they were difficult to make in the same way as FF4 DS because the space on the game card is limited, so we could see some type of 3DS thing with that.

to be honest though, as great as remakes would be, i would prefer more focus on newer games.



"We'll see.  But they've done it multiple times now.  And we've seen in multiple interviews that the people who work on the Final Fantasy series don't really seem to care about critisism or reviews, or even sales.  Just about 'their vision'.  And that can be a bad sign, as even if they think their vision is the 'right' one and just keep pressing on...when sales are going down."

"u cnt blame them. They did cater to fans once. whn old skool fans wnted ld school FF they gave them FF9 & it sold the worst out of all PS FF's (FF13 will outsell it soon). 

Sales aren't going dwn, ff13 will do more than ff9 & 12. When a  FF does below 5 Million its time to wrry."

 

On the first comment, i'm pretty sure that Yochi Wada will never let Kitase & Toriyama have full control of their 'vision' for the next installment, and i dont think he'll let someone else have that much control over a project for FF15, so i have no idea what road that will take. but look at Yatsumi Matsuno, who wanted to make Basch the main character of FF12. sqaure didnt let him have his vision, which i think would've been way better than Vaan & Penelo, so its anybodys guess.

i also think that releasing FF9 on the PSN will give them indication of where they can take the series next. if it does better than FF8 or not will give them a good idea of what the fans want next. and i think that the odds were stacked pretty high against FF9 when it came out, so thats why it wasnt as successful. i mean, the super-deformed look didnt help after the photo-realism brought by FF8 and it did come out as PS2 was taking off when PS1 was going out. 

i'm not trying to say catering to the fans is the best idea, but its the lesser of two evils, when catering to the developers means a strict vision that may, may not work. yeah sales are looking good for FF13, but i think if they've sold less than FF8/FF10 (about 7.5-8 mil), wada will look at that and i'm pretty sure wada wants to exceed that because sales have gone down since those installments.



A203D said:
dtewi said:
This is a huge pile of bullshit.

The article was written ten years, MONTHS after FF9's release, and the amount of time needed to fully remake EACH of those for the PS2 would make mountainous amounts of time.

Once again: never listen to gamespot.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_IX

i was a bit sckeptical as well, but the triva bit in that link says that there were plans to remake FF9&7, i'm sure it will say that for the FF8 section as well. I'm not sure if it would take that long actully, if you think back FFX-2 was made over 6 months (i think), so i think its reasonable to assume that 7.8 & 9 could've had similar development timespans, maybe a year each, so they could come out 1 year after the other, because at that point sqaure probabily had a great working knowledge of the PS2 and the game engine they used to make FF10.

i'm sure Kitase has actully said that if they could do a remake of FF7 in one year they would do it, so you never know it could happen. and i'm not sure about FF5 & 6, but i heard some stuff recently about how they were difficult to make in the same way as FF4 DS because the space on the game card is limited, so we could see some type of 3DS thing with that.

to be honest though, as great as remakes would be, i would prefer more focus on newer games.

 

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VIII_Technical_Demo



Fab_GS said:
A203D said:
dtewi said:
This is a huge pile of bullshit.

The article was written ten years, MONTHS after FF9's release, and the amount of time needed to fully remake EACH of those for the PS2 would make mountainous amounts of time.

Once again: never listen to gamespot.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_IX

i was a bit sckeptical as well, but the triva bit in that link says that there were plans to remake FF9&7, i'm sure it will say that for the FF8 section as well. I'm not sure if it would take that long actully, if you think back FFX-2 was made over 6 months (i think), so i think its reasonable to assume that 7.8 & 9 could've had similar development timespans, maybe a year each, so they could come out 1 year after the other, because at that point sqaure probabily had a great working knowledge of the PS2 and the game engine they used to make FF10.

i'm sure Kitase has actully said that if they could do a remake of FF7 in one year they would do it, so you never know it could happen. and i'm not sure about FF5 & 6, but i heard some stuff recently about how they were difficult to make in the same way as FF4 DS because the space on the game card is limited, so we could see some type of 3DS thing with that.

to be honest though, as great as remakes would be, i would prefer more focus on newer games.

 

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VIII_Technical_Demo

Fail.

Tht proves nthing jst like FF7 technical demo for ps3 proved nthing



AkibaFan said:
Fab_GS said:
A203D said:
dtewi said:
This is a huge pile of bullshit.

The article was written ten years, MONTHS after FF9's release, and the amount of time needed to fully remake EACH of those for the PS2 would make mountainous amounts of time.

Once again: never listen to gamespot.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_IX

i was a bit sckeptical as well, but the triva bit in that link says that there were plans to remake FF9&7, i'm sure it will say that for the FF8 section as well. I'm not sure if it would take that long actully, if you think back FFX-2 was made over 6 months (i think), so i think its reasonable to assume that 7.8 & 9 could've had similar development timespans, maybe a year each, so they could come out 1 year after the other, because at that point sqaure probabily had a great working knowledge of the PS2 and the game engine they used to make FF10.

i'm sure Kitase has actully said that if they could do a remake of FF7 in one year they would do it, so you never know it could happen. and i'm not sure about FF5 & 6, but i heard some stuff recently about how they were difficult to make in the same way as FF4 DS because the space on the game card is limited, so we could see some type of 3DS thing with that.

to be honest though, as great as remakes would be, i would prefer more focus on newer games.

 

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VIII_Technical_Demo

Fail.

Tht proves nthing jst like FF7 technical demo for ps3 proved nthing

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