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I need to take a step back from this discussion. I am not in a good mood anyways and this being a non professional setting is making me let my emotions on the subject at hand that much worse. I will gladly try and find more links if you want later on. However, I need to keep my opinion to myself I guess. I should not have entered a thread where I knew it would be pretty one sided on thoughts about it with my current mood. Thanks for the friendly discussions. I would recommend doing a bit of research on both sides to anyone though.



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Games4Fun said:
adriane23 said:
Games4Fun said:

This whole tax the crap out of it will not make states any money at all. They will just have to use it like the billions they already do to help those who become addict, are in their current state useless and on welfare, taking any hand out they can to get that one more puff, or just stay alive another day. Anyone who thinks the governments are actually going to profit off of it in long the run are not looking at the big picture. Just look at tobacco and alcohol. They are taxed to hell. Guess what? the goverment spends a hell of a lot more on helping and caring for thoose people than they will ever make from the taxes. There has yet to be one good reason to make yet another drug legal that cannot be easily taken away with a little bit of reasearch.

BOLDED: Tobacco (with dozens of man-made ingredients) and Alcohol can kill you. Weed (That isn't laced) cannot, so comparing it to the other legal drugs is unfair.

And you think marijuana is going to be any different if it is made legel? Hell, even in its current state people put crap in it. You do realize Tobacco was not always full of all this shit right? Also, where do you get Marijuana cannot kill you?

"And you think marijuana is going to be any different if it is made legel?"

Yes, I do think it will be different than alcohol and tobacco. Alcohol itself can kill people as well as by the actions of a person influenced by the substance.

"Hell, even in its current state people put crap in it."

That's true. That's why I said, weed that isn't laced.

"You do realize Tobacco was not always full of all this shit right?"

Yes, I do. That's why I said, "Tobacco (with dozens of man-made ingredients)."

"Also, where do you get Marijuana cannot kill you?"

Of course, someone under the influence of weed can get behind the wheel of a semi and drive into a Wal-Mart ,but I don't believe you can OD on weed. Most studies are inconclusive and/or contradictory in determining whether weed causes health problems, so I may or may not be wrong on that one since my source is from someone's health class report a few years back. If you can find somewhere that says a person can OD on weed, please post.

 



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So instead of people smelling disgusting because they're been smoking cigarettes, they're going to reek of pot?

Personally, I think it's pretty stupid and I'm just going to leave it at that. I know it's cool to think pot is all good fun and doesn't hurt anyone, but everyone I know that regularly smoked it has had their life ruined because of it (and none of it due to any law). Personal bias I guess.



Games4Fun said:

http://www.justice.gov/ndic/ Good site to look up some statistics you may or may not be interested in.

At Khuutra here is one I found within seconds of your post



Smoking marijuana is far more dangerous than smoking cigarettes, according to a group of scientists in New Zealand.

The researchers found that smoking one joint is equivalent to 20 cigarettes in terms of lung cancer.

While studies in the past have shown that marijuana can cause cancer, few have actually established a strong link between marijuana use and the actual incidence of lung cancer.

For the study, researchers interviewed 79 lung cancer patients in an effort identify the main risk factors for the disease, such as smoking, family history and occupation. The patients were questioned about alcohol and marijuana consumption.

In the high-exposure group, lung cancer risk rose by 5.7 times for patients who smoked more than a joint a day for 10 years, or two joints a day for 5 years, after adjusting for other variables, including cigarette smoking.

"Cannabis smokers end up with five times more carbon monoxide in their bloodstream (than tobacco smokers)," team leader Richard Beasley, at the Medical Research Institute of New Zealand, said in a news release.

The scientists also noted that marijuana could be expected to harm the airways more than tobacco since its smoke contained twice the level of carcinogens, such as polyaromatic hydrocarbons, compared with tobacco cigarettes.

"There are higher concentrations of carcinogens in cannabis smoke...what is intriguing to us is there is so little work done on cannabis when there is so much done on tobacco,” said Beasley.

"In the near future we may see an 'epidemic' of lung cancers connected with this new carcinogen. And the future risk probably applies to many other countries, where increasing use of cannabis among young adults and adolescents is becoming a major public health problem,” he added.

Study results appear in the in the European Respiratory Journal.


While looking this up for you I also found many links claiming that 1 joint= 5 smokes. Also, where I got mine for my paper I really cannot link. I used a school database we call the virtual library. If you are in College you might have something similar to it. My research included research done at Havard. It may take yo ua bit of time to find it as it is a lot of pro Pot articles, but it was a bit eye opening to me. While I was already against it, it really shows some great reasons why if you have the time and put in the effort to find WELL DONE research.

I never considered either one to be worse than the other due to how many contradictory claims on the subject are.

However, I believe that marijuana should be legal, since it is definitely no more dangerous than alcohol.



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Sugu yoko de waratteita

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I think its a wonderful idea... Marijuana should absolutely be legalized. Its less harmful than alcohol or tobacco and it makes no sense to jail non-violent people for possession of this plant.

 



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If your interested, here's the argument that turned me to believe legalizing drugs would be beneficial:

 



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

I don't know much about how bad it is for, but I think it should be legalized anyway because it's so easy to get illegally now, that it may as well be legal.



I agree with the legalization of marijuana. It's just a drug.



Great news. I don't smoke it anymore but the majority of my friends are regular smokers.

An interesting way to look at the issue is that if your a stoner then you should be against the legalisation as its already pretty dam easy to get hold of at pretty much any time, and the price will be increased greatly what with all the taxes.



Games4Fun said:
adriane23 said:
Games4Fun said:

This whole tax the crap out of it will not make states any money at all. They will just have to use it like the billions they already do to help those who become addict, are in their current state useless and on welfare, taking any hand out they can to get that one more puff, or just stay alive another day. Anyone who thinks the governments are actually going to profit off of it in long the run are not looking at the big picture. Just look at tobacco and alcohol. They are taxed to hell. Guess what? the goverment spends a hell of a lot more on helping and caring for thoose people than they will ever make from the taxes. There has yet to be one good reason to make yet another drug legal that cannot be easily taken away with a little bit of reasearch.

BOLDED: Tobacco (with dozens of man-made ingredients) and Alcohol can kill you. Weed (That isn't laced) cannot, so comparing it to the other legal drugs is unfair.

And you think marijuana is going to be any different if it is made legel? Hell, even in its current state people put crap in it. You do realize Tobacco was not always full of all this shit right? Also, where do you get Marijuana cannot kill you? Ruffly 1 joint is = to one pack of smokes in harm it does to your lungs.

Uhh, no they don't. And unless your buying a pre-rolled joint (which I've only seen in the projects) its pretty easy to see if it contains any other 'crap'. But even if you assume every dime bag sold is laced with crack, its still an irrelevant argument since legalization would also bring regulation.

Good thing smoking isn't the only way of consuming marijuana. Every dispensary I've been to in cali sells edibles, which is just THC baked into food, candies, added to drinks, even pill form. Or you can just use a vaporizer, which is just inhaling THC vapor without smoke. So why should marijuana be illegal just because smoking is harmful when plenty of other methods of consumption exist?

As for violence, I recently read that 7000 people were killed in Mexico last year as a direct result of the drug war. And thats not a bunch of gang members and smugglers being killed, politicians, law enforcement and their families are often the victims of targeted assassinations. Although most of the deaths are innocent bystanders.

And as for the money saved - I've also read that around 35 billion or so a year would be saved just by decriminalizing marijuana. States that have a 3 strikes law often require mandatory sentences in the range of 5yrs plus for anyone with a previous strike caught with marijuana on them.

I do not have the current statistics at the moment, but lets atleast think about what Could happen. Increase in traffic accidents. headline POT ADDICT kills Mother of 3 in car accident. Actually lets not go down that road it just leads to me looking like I am trying to use shock to fit my agenda.

SPOILER ALERT: tons of people are already driving while high. Making it legal wont suddenly cause people to start driving while high in droves.

But I would like to see your statistics on pot addicts.



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