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shio said:
Kasz216 said:
Profcrab said:
libellule said:
Profcrab said:
I see that some others already jumped on this but my bullshit meter goes off like an air raid siren when I hear Europeans say that the US is far more racist.

Call us back when your minority employment figures are anywhere near ours. Last I read, the unemployment rate for young African immigrant minorities in France was at about 50% and at 20% for older age groups.

Can anyone say that the immigrant Turks are getting a fair shake in Germany?

Sorry guys, just because you smile nice to tourists from across the world, doesn't mean you treat your immigrant neighbors as well (unless of course they are also European.)

I give this thread a 9.3.

LOL, another complete fail

you are looking at the employment rate of an "integrated" population that is here since ... lot of years and you are comparing it to the very new black people that have no qualification, that are poor and may not even talk an european language ?

it is a joke right ?

what about the employment rate of the latinos in the US ? you know the ones that only talk spanish and do not have the same culture as YOU

what about them ?

Cute response, but when 25% of the French born, northern African decended, college graduates are unemployed.  Studies have even been conducted where applications were submitted with similar degrees with the only real difference being the applicants name.  One had an ethic French name and the other North African and a greatly disproportionate amount of the time, the applicant with an African name, did not even get an interview or a call back.  So, is that part of your "unintegrated" population?  I consider domestic born college graduates to be pretty good citizens, don't you?

Current US unemployement statistics put latino men at 12%, which is higher than the white male 9%, but no where near as disproportionate as French statistics.

I certainly dont contend that racial discrimination in the US but the approach here is to attept to shrink that divide by acknoledging it's there.  France sticks its head in the sand and even refuses to collect racial data while discrimination against it's minorities is rife.

It's true... and to make a comparison... Since Latio 9 to 12% is our worst...

 

8.3 to 18.2... in the UK.  A place i'd consider much less racist.  I thought it was the same.... but I guess not. 

Now, if you find the unemployment rate of white eastern europe immigrants in UK, they will be through the roof! You think black immigrants have it tough?! Eastern europeans have to crawl to get jobs.

At least in Portugal, eastern europeans (who are pretty much always white) have it worse because they can't get a job, and they can't talk portuguese. Atleast black immigrants and south-americans can communicate with us.

So your arguement is that you aren't racist... just extremely xenophoic.  Pretty sure eastern europoen immigrants would be under "All Ethnic Minorities."



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Kasz216 said:
shio said:
Kasz216 said:
Profcrab said:
libellule said:
Profcrab said:
I see that some others already jumped on this but my bullshit meter goes off like an air raid siren when I hear Europeans say that the US is far more racist.

Call us back when your minority employment figures are anywhere near ours. Last I read, the unemployment rate for young African immigrant minorities in France was at about 50% and at 20% for older age groups.

Can anyone say that the immigrant Turks are getting a fair shake in Germany?

Sorry guys, just because you smile nice to tourists from across the world, doesn't mean you treat your immigrant neighbors as well (unless of course they are also European.)

I give this thread a 9.3.

LOL, another complete fail

you are looking at the employment rate of an "integrated" population that is here since ... lot of years and you are comparing it to the very new black people that have no qualification, that are poor and may not even talk an european language ?

it is a joke right ?

what about the employment rate of the latinos in the US ? you know the ones that only talk spanish and do not have the same culture as YOU

what about them ?

Cute response, but when 25% of the French born, northern African decended, college graduates are unemployed.  Studies have even been conducted where applications were submitted with similar degrees with the only real difference being the applicants name.  One had an ethic French name and the other North African and a greatly disproportionate amount of the time, the applicant with an African name, did not even get an interview or a call back.  So, is that part of your "unintegrated" population?  I consider domestic born college graduates to be pretty good citizens, don't you?

Current US unemployement statistics put latino men at 12%, which is higher than the white male 9%, but no where near as disproportionate as French statistics.

I certainly dont contend that racial discrimination in the US but the approach here is to attept to shrink that divide by acknoledging it's there.  France sticks its head in the sand and even refuses to collect racial data while discrimination against it's minorities is rife.

It's true... and to make a comparison... Since Latio 9 to 12% is our worst...

 

8.3 to 18.2... in the UK.  A place i'd consider much less racist.  I thought it was the same.... but I guess not. 

Now, if you find the unemployment rate of white eastern europe immigrants in UK, they will be through the roof! You think black immigrants have it tough?! Eastern europeans have to crawl to get jobs.

At least in Portugal, eastern europeans (who are pretty much always white) have it worse because they can't get a job, and they can't talk portuguese. Atleast black immigrants and south-americans can communicate with us.

So your arguement is that you aren't racist... just extremely xenophoic.  Pretty sure eastern europoen immigrants would be under "All Ethnic Minorities."

Why am I xenophobic? For telling it like it is? The truth is, it would be even harder for easter europeans in US because of the Affirmitive Action! They're white, so they won't get the benefits that racial minorities get. Think about it.

Affirmitive Action is racist.
If you're going to give something, give it to the one that deserves it most. Ignore the race.
If youre helping someone, help the one that needs it most. Ignore the race.



I was going to have a say, but then I realized that the thread got of track so I'm going to get some popcorn and watch instead.



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shio said:
Kasz216 said:
shio said:
Kasz216 said:
Profcrab said:
libellule said:
Profcrab said:
I see that some others already jumped on this but my bullshit meter goes off like an air raid siren when I hear Europeans say that the US is far more racist.

Call us back when your minority employment figures are anywhere near ours. Last I read, the unemployment rate for young African immigrant minorities in France was at about 50% and at 20% for older age groups.

Can anyone say that the immigrant Turks are getting a fair shake in Germany?

Sorry guys, just because you smile nice to tourists from across the world, doesn't mean you treat your immigrant neighbors as well (unless of course they are also European.)

I give this thread a 9.3.

LOL, another complete fail

you are looking at the employment rate of an "integrated" population that is here since ... lot of years and you are comparing it to the very new black people that have no qualification, that are poor and may not even talk an european language ?

it is a joke right ?

what about the employment rate of the latinos in the US ? you know the ones that only talk spanish and do not have the same culture as YOU

what about them ?

Cute response, but when 25% of the French born, northern African decended, college graduates are unemployed.  Studies have even been conducted where applications were submitted with similar degrees with the only real difference being the applicants name.  One had an ethic French name and the other North African and a greatly disproportionate amount of the time, the applicant with an African name, did not even get an interview or a call back.  So, is that part of your "unintegrated" population?  I consider domestic born college graduates to be pretty good citizens, don't you?

Current US unemployement statistics put latino men at 12%, which is higher than the white male 9%, but no where near as disproportionate as French statistics.

I certainly dont contend that racial discrimination in the US but the approach here is to attept to shrink that divide by acknoledging it's there.  France sticks its head in the sand and even refuses to collect racial data while discrimination against it's minorities is rife.

It's true... and to make a comparison... Since Latio 9 to 12% is our worst...

 

8.3 to 18.2... in the UK.  A place i'd consider much less racist.  I thought it was the same.... but I guess not. 

Now, if you find the unemployment rate of white eastern europe immigrants in UK, they will be through the roof! You think black immigrants have it tough?! Eastern europeans have to crawl to get jobs.

At least in Portugal, eastern europeans (who are pretty much always white) have it worse because they can't get a job, and they can't talk portuguese. Atleast black immigrants and south-americans can communicate with us.

So your arguement is that you aren't racist... just extremely xenophoic.  Pretty sure eastern europoen immigrants would be under "All Ethnic Minorities."

Why am I xenophobic? For telling it like it is? The truth is, it would be even harder for easter europeans in US because of the Affirmitive Action! They're white, so they won't get the benefits that racial minorities get. Think about it.

Affirmitive Action is racist.
If you're going to give something, give it to the one that deserves it most. Ignore the race.
If youre helping someone, help the one that needs it most. Ignore the race.

Here is where your claim totally falls apart though.  Actually I relooked at it.  Eastern Europeon men would fall under "White Britains."  Since they are counting all white immigrants as White Britans.  It was a mistake I made because I was rushign to work.

The ones with the 8.3 unemployment.

You aren't "telling it how it is".  Maybe it's different in portugal... it ISN'T differenct in France, England or basically everywhere else in europe.

So... you've got one place where your way works better... and way more where it works worse... what does that tell you?

If you can even call portugal less racist.  You've yet to offer any statistics.  Not to mention when did portugal outlaw slavery compaired to the US? 

Truth is... there probably is no problems in Portugal because there never was.  Unlike England or France etc.

 



Kasz216 said:
shio said:
Kasz216 said:
shio said:
Kasz216 said:
Profcrab said:
libellule said:
Profcrab said:
I see that some others already jumped on this but my bullshit meter goes off like an air raid siren when I hear Europeans say that the US is far more racist.

Call us back when your minority employment figures are anywhere near ours. Last I read, the unemployment rate for young African immigrant minorities in France was at about 50% and at 20% for older age groups.

Can anyone say that the immigrant Turks are getting a fair shake in Germany?

Sorry guys, just because you smile nice to tourists from across the world, doesn't mean you treat your immigrant neighbors as well (unless of course they are also European.)

I give this thread a 9.3.

LOL, another complete fail

you are looking at the employment rate of an "integrated" population that is here since ... lot of years and you are comparing it to the very new black people that have no qualification, that are poor and may not even talk an european language ?

it is a joke right ?

what about the employment rate of the latinos in the US ? you know the ones that only talk spanish and do not have the same culture as YOU

what about them ?

Cute response, but when 25% of the French born, northern African decended, college graduates are unemployed.  Studies have even been conducted where applications were submitted with similar degrees with the only real difference being the applicants name.  One had an ethic French name and the other North African and a greatly disproportionate amount of the time, the applicant with an African name, did not even get an interview or a call back.  So, is that part of your "unintegrated" population?  I consider domestic born college graduates to be pretty good citizens, don't you?

Current US unemployement statistics put latino men at 12%, which is higher than the white male 9%, but no where near as disproportionate as French statistics.

I certainly dont contend that racial discrimination in the US but the approach here is to attept to shrink that divide by acknoledging it's there.  France sticks its head in the sand and even refuses to collect racial data while discrimination against it's minorities is rife.

It's true... and to make a comparison... Since Latio 9 to 12% is our worst...

 

8.3 to 18.2... in the UK.  A place i'd consider much less racist.  I thought it was the same.... but I guess not. 

Now, if you find the unemployment rate of white eastern europe immigrants in UK, they will be through the roof! You think black immigrants have it tough?! Eastern europeans have to crawl to get jobs.

At least in Portugal, eastern europeans (who are pretty much always white) have it worse because they can't get a job, and they can't talk portuguese. Atleast black immigrants and south-americans can communicate with us.

So your arguement is that you aren't racist... just extremely xenophoic.  Pretty sure eastern europoen immigrants would be under "All Ethnic Minorities."

Why am I xenophobic? For telling it like it is? The truth is, it would be even harder for easter europeans in US because of the Affirmitive Action! They're white, so they won't get the benefits that racial minorities get. Think about it.

Affirmitive Action is racist.
If you're going to give something, give it to the one that deserves it most. Ignore the race.
If youre helping someone, help the one that needs it most. Ignore the race.

Here is where your claim totally falls apart though.  Actually I relooked at it.  Eastern Europeon men would fall under "White Britains."  Since they are counting all white immigrants as White Britans.  It was a mistake I made because I was rushign to work.

The ones with the 8.3 unemployment.

You aren't "telling it how it is".  Maybe it's different in portugal... it ISN'T differenct in France, England or basically everywhere else in europe.

So... you've got one place where your way works better... and way more where it works worse... what does that tell you?

If you can even call portugal less racist.  You've yet to offer any statistics.  Not to mention when did portugal outlaw slavery compaired to the US? 

Truth is... there probably is no problems in Portugal because there never was.  Unlike England or France etc.

 

Dude, eastern european immigrants are but a fraction of white britains, and even several times smaller than black britains. Even if the eastern europeans (not even counting the ones without british naturalization) were counted, they would be diluted in the hundreds of times bigger amount of britain-born whites. Think straight.

PORTUGAL WAS THE FIRST TO ABOLISH SLAVERY!!! AND THE PORTUGUESE PEOPLE WERE EVEN BEING ENSLAVED BY AFRICANS MORE RECENTLY!!!

Up to 1.5 millions southern europeans were enslaved by Northern Africans, many of them portuguese. Look it up.

Portugal abolished slavery in 1761, but the portuguese were still being captured for slavery until 1810.

The portuguese were victims of slavery for 4 centuries. But you don't see acting us like wusses and asking benefits from muslims.

The Affirmitive Action is racist.



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shio said:
Kasz216 said:
shio said:
Kasz216 said:
shio said:
Kasz216 said:
Profcrab said:
libellule said:
Profcrab said:
I see that some others already jumped on this but my bullshit meter goes off like an air raid siren when I hear Europeans say that the US is far more racist.

Call us back when your minority employment figures are anywhere near ours. Last I read, the unemployment rate for young African immigrant minorities in France was at about 50% and at 20% for older age groups.

Can anyone say that the immigrant Turks are getting a fair shake in Germany?

Sorry guys, just because you smile nice to tourists from across the world, doesn't mean you treat your immigrant neighbors as well (unless of course they are also European.)

I give this thread a 9.3.

LOL, another complete fail

you are looking at the employment rate of an "integrated" population that is here since ... lot of years and you are comparing it to the very new black people that have no qualification, that are poor and may not even talk an european language ?

it is a joke right ?

what about the employment rate of the latinos in the US ? you know the ones that only talk spanish and do not have the same culture as YOU

what about them ?

Cute response, but when 25% of the French born, northern African decended, college graduates are unemployed.  Studies have even been conducted where applications were submitted with similar degrees with the only real difference being the applicants name.  One had an ethic French name and the other North African and a greatly disproportionate amount of the time, the applicant with an African name, did not even get an interview or a call back.  So, is that part of your "unintegrated" population?  I consider domestic born college graduates to be pretty good citizens, don't you?

Current US unemployement statistics put latino men at 12%, which is higher than the white male 9%, but no where near as disproportionate as French statistics.

I certainly dont contend that racial discrimination in the US but the approach here is to attept to shrink that divide by acknoledging it's there.  France sticks its head in the sand and even refuses to collect racial data while discrimination against it's minorities is rife.

It's true... and to make a comparison... Since Latio 9 to 12% is our worst...

 

8.3 to 18.2... in the UK.  A place i'd consider much less racist.  I thought it was the same.... but I guess not. 

Now, if you find the unemployment rate of white eastern europe immigrants in UK, they will be through the roof! You think black immigrants have it tough?! Eastern europeans have to crawl to get jobs.

At least in Portugal, eastern europeans (who are pretty much always white) have it worse because they can't get a job, and they can't talk portuguese. Atleast black immigrants and south-americans can communicate with us.

So your arguement is that you aren't racist... just extremely xenophoic.  Pretty sure eastern europoen immigrants would be under "All Ethnic Minorities."

Why am I xenophobic? For telling it like it is? The truth is, it would be even harder for easter europeans in US because of the Affirmitive Action! They're white, so they won't get the benefits that racial minorities get. Think about it.

Affirmitive Action is racist.
If you're going to give something, give it to the one that deserves it most. Ignore the race.
If youre helping someone, help the one that needs it most. Ignore the race.

Here is where your claim totally falls apart though.  Actually I relooked at it.  Eastern Europeon men would fall under "White Britains."  Since they are counting all white immigrants as White Britans.  It was a mistake I made because I was rushign to work.

The ones with the 8.3 unemployment.

You aren't "telling it how it is".  Maybe it's different in portugal... it ISN'T differenct in France, England or basically everywhere else in europe.

So... you've got one place where your way works better... and way more where it works worse... what does that tell you?

If you can even call portugal less racist.  You've yet to offer any statistics.  Not to mention when did portugal outlaw slavery compaired to the US? 

Truth is... there probably is no problems in Portugal because there never was.  Unlike England or France etc.

 

Dude, eastern european immigrants are but a fraction of white britains, and even several times smaller than black britains. Even if the eastern europeans (not even counting the ones without british naturalization) were counted, they would be diluted in the hundreds of times bigger amount of britain-born whites. Think straight.

PORTUGAL WAS THE FIRST TO ABOLISH SLAVERY!!! AND THE PORTUGUESE PEOPLE WERE EVEN BEING ENSLAVED BY AFRICANS MORE RECENTLY!!!

Up to 1.5 millions southern europeans were enslaved by Northern Africans, many of them portuguese. Look it up.

Portugal abolished slavery in 1761, but the portuguese were still being captured for slavery until 1810.

The portuguese were victims of slavery for 4 centuries. But you don't see acting us like wusses and asking benefits from muslims.

The Affirmitive Action is racist.

Nice job... you know.  Missing the point. 

We've come FAR farther then Europe has on Racism then MOST of Europe in a SHORTER amount of time.

Affirmitive Action may or may not be racist.

But it sure seems to have provided results.

Our overall statistics are FAR less racist than pretty much any other countries I've come across.... espeically countries like France who play the "No race card."

Your system fails... period. 

Most of Europe is more Racist then America.  This has been proven categorically with data.  Just admit it and move on.



So shio ... how black would his ancestry have to be before he was black according to you? 2/4 black grandparents is apparently not enough.

3/4 black grandparents?
2/4 black and one mixed?
3/4 black and one mixed?
All 4 black?



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Final-Fan said:
So shio ... how black would his ancestry have to be before he was black according to you? 2/4 black grandparents is apparently not enough.

3/4 black grandparents?
2/4 black and one mixed?
3/4 black and one mixed?
All 4 black?

2/4 isn't "apparently not enough", it's "obviously not enough".

2/4 black means 2/4 not black.

 



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An apple that is halfway rotten isn't a "half-rotten apple", it's a "rotten apple".

Sorry about using this analogy, I'm obviously not trying to imply anything about the quality of any people -- I just can't think of a better example at the moment.

I haven't given it much thought, but perhaps, since white has long been a large majority in America, and even now they are still much larger than individual minorities, there's a tendency to say that someone who is part-white and part-(some minority) in ancestry is (that minority) unless the white part is substantially larger. (Or perhaps it's more so for me since I live in Minnesota which is like 90% white, and only that low due to large recent immigration.) On the other hand, a person of mixed race can usually choose to be identified as white instead, except to the bigots.

But now I'm curious -- what's YOUR answer to the question?



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