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MARCUSDJACKSON on 10 May 2010
zarx said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
wii 2 hd and 362 will be here in 2014. PS3 in 2015. i know. to close to the 10th yr. its just seems logical to me.

I think end of 2011 for Nintendo (3DS this year Wii 2 or whatever next year) possibly 2012, Microsoft 2012 and if Natal and or slim fails to increase sales a lot 2011, Sony should hold out until 2013 maybe even 2014 if move boosts sales and GT5 doesn't come out by 2013. IMO anyway 2014-2015 is wishful thinking on your part I think tech is reaching the point where a new gen is worthwhile, the current gen is getting a bit long in the tooth and Microsoft and Sony are running out of tricks to boost sales move and Natal smell of desperation TBH.


good point, but its not about tricks or the PS2 would be off the market already. i beleave atlease the Wii and PS3 have enough life left in them to last that long. and based on current gamers predictions this is the best case senaryo. and even if natal fails microsoft will still try to beat it to death like a gimp horse! this is a best case senaryo for sonys bottomline and nintendo succeeding PS2. or putting more cash into nintendos pocket. do you realy think when the big three and analyst said this gen would last longer than all that came before it that it would end in 7yr's?



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Pipedream24 on 10 May 2010
zarx said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
wii 2 hd and 362 will be here in 2014. PS3 in 2015. i know. to close to the 10th yr. its just seems logical to me.

I think end of 2011 for Nintendo (3DS this year Wii 2 or whatever next year) possibly 2012, Microsoft 2012 and if Natal and or slim fails to increase sales a lot 2011, Sony should hold out until 2013 maybe even 2014 if move boosts sales and GT5 doesn't come out by 2013. IMO anyway 2014-2015 is wishful thinking on your part I think tech is reaching the point where a new gen is worthwhile, the current gen is getting a bit long in the tooth and Microsoft and Sony are running out of tricks to boost sales move and Natal smell of desperation TBH.

I agree with the 2012-2013 window for the relase of the next generation of consoles.  Between all three consoles, I believe Microsoft will show their hand first. 

The Wii, even though it sales are tapering off, is still a monster.  It will probably wind up the best selling console of all time.  Third party software sales may be lacking on it, but Nintendo's first party games and accessories are flying off the shelves.  It's really not much different than the last couple of generations for Nintendo, it's just on a larger scale.

The prohibitive cost of the PS3 when it was first released looks like it will pay off in the long run for Sony.  Disc storage constraints are not a problem for the PS3 and if GOW3 is any indication, there is still horsepower form the PS3 that still has not been tapped.  I believe Sony is in the best position as far as hardware goes.

The 360 on the other hand, is the the console that will probably need an upgrade the soonest.  DVD is just not big enough for the future of HD games.  Plus on the technical side, you have not seen major progress graphically in the past couple of years.  Unlike the PS3 in which you had Killzone 2, then Uncharted2, and GOW3 each push the graphics bar in succession, the 360 seems to have pretty much peaked with only minor room for improvement. 

I also agree with your feelings about both Move and Natal.  I don't feel either one will bring enough innovation to the table to create massive sales growth to sustain a longer console life cycle.  They might have a few games that become a nice diversion from the norm, but I don't see anything special coming because of them.  Plus add-ons just don't sell well.  Even if you manage to sell through to 25%( which would be a big number) of your user base (Roughly 8-10 million units each), it's just not enough people to try and sell games to. And yes they will both bundle the hardware with consoles, but it will be at an increased cost.  They are not going to give the equipment away for free or sell it for a loss.  Neither company wants to take a loss on hardware again.  In the end, it's just easier and cheaper to purchase a Wii.  It's the known quanity for motion controls.

 

 

 



MARCUSDJACKSON on 10 May 2010
Pipedream24 said:
zarx said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
wii 2 hd and 362 will be here in 2014. PS3 in 2015. i know. to close to the 10th yr. its just seems logical to me.

I think end of 2011 for Nintendo (3DS this year Wii 2 or whatever next year) possibly 2012, Microsoft 2012 and if Natal and or slim fails to increase sales a lot 2011, Sony should hold out until 2013 maybe even 2014 if move boosts sales and GT5 doesn't come out by 2013. IMO anyway 2014-2015 is wishful thinking on your part I think tech is reaching the point where a new gen is worthwhile, the current gen is getting a bit long in the tooth and Microsoft and Sony are running out of tricks to boost sales move and Natal smell of desperation TBH.

I agree with the 2012-2013 window for the relase of the next generation of consoles.  Between all three consoles, I believe Microsoft will show their hand first. 

The Wii, even though it sales are tapering off, is still a monster.  It will probably wind up the best selling console of all time.  Third party software sales may be lacking on it, but Nintendo's first party games and accessories are flying off the shelves.  It's really not much different than the last couple of generations for Nintendo, it's just on a larger scale.

The prohibitive cost of the PS3 when it was first released looks like it will pay off in the long run for Sony.  Disc storage constraints are not a problem for the PS3 and if GOW3 is any indication, there is still horsepower form the PS3 that still has not been tapped.  I believe Sony is in the best position as far as hardware goes.

The 360 on the other hand, is the the console that will probably need an upgrade the soonest.  DVD is just not big enough for the future of HD games.  Plus on the technical side, you have not seen major progress graphically in the past couple of years.  Unlike the PS3 in which you had Killzone 2, then Uncharted2, and GOW3 each push the graphics bar in succession, the 360 seems to have pretty much peaked with only minor room for improvement. 

I also agree with your feelings about both Move and Natal.  I don't feel either one will bring enough innovation to the table to create massive sales growth to sustain a longer console life cycle.  They might have a few games that become a nice diversion from the norm, but I don't see anything special coming because of them.  Plus add-ons just don't sell well.  Even if you manage to sell through to 25%( which would be a big number) of your user base (Roughly 8-10 million units each), it's just not enough people to try and sell games to. And yes they will both bundle the hardware with consoles, but it will be at an increased cost.  They are not going to give the equipment away for free or sell it for a loss.  Neither company wants to take a loss on hardware again.  In the end, it's just easier and cheaper to purchase a Wii.  It's the known quanity for motion controls.

 

 

 

agreed. check out my second post.



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Pipedream24 on 10 May 2010
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Pipedream24 said:
zarx said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
wii 2 hd and 362 will be here in 2014. PS3 in 2015. i know. to close to the 10th yr. its just seems logical to me.

I think end of 2011 for Nintendo (3DS this year Wii 2 or whatever next year) possibly 2012, Microsoft 2012 and if Natal and or slim fails to increase sales a lot 2011, Sony should hold out until 2013 maybe even 2014 if move boosts sales and GT5 doesn't come out by 2013. IMO anyway 2014-2015 is wishful thinking on your part I think tech is reaching the point where a new gen is worthwhile, the current gen is getting a bit long in the tooth and Microsoft and Sony are running out of tricks to boost sales move and Natal smell of desperation TBH.

I agree with the 2012-2013 window for the relase of the next generation of consoles.  Between all three consoles, I believe Microsoft will show their hand first. 

The Wii, even though it sales are tapering off, is still a monster.  It will probably wind up the best selling console of all time.  Third party software sales may be lacking on it, but Nintendo's first party games and accessories are flying off the shelves.  It's really not much different than the last couple of generations for Nintendo, it's just on a larger scale.

The prohibitive cost of the PS3 when it was first released looks like it will pay off in the long run for Sony.  Disc storage constraints are not a problem for the PS3 and if GOW3 is any indication, there is still horsepower form the PS3 that still has not been tapped.  I believe Sony is in the best position as far as hardware goes.

The 360 on the other hand, is the the console that will probably need an upgrade the soonest.  DVD is just not big enough for the future of HD games.  Plus on the technical side, you have not seen major progress graphically in the past couple of years.  Unlike the PS3 in which you had Killzone 2, then Uncharted2, and GOW3 each push the graphics bar in succession, the 360 seems to have pretty much peaked with only minor room for improvement. 

I also agree with your feelings about both Move and Natal.  I don't feel either one will bring enough innovation to the table to create massive sales growth to sustain a longer console life cycle.  They might have a few games that become a nice diversion from the norm, but I don't see anything special coming because of them.  Plus add-ons just don't sell well.  Even if you manage to sell through to 25%( which would be a big number) of your user base (Roughly 8-10 million units each), it's just not enough people to try and sell games to. And yes they will both bundle the hardware with consoles, but it will be at an increased cost.  They are not going to give the equipment away for free or sell it for a loss.  Neither company wants to take a loss on hardware again.  In the end, it's just easier and cheaper to purchase a Wii.  It's the known quanity for motion controls.

 

 

 

agreed. check out my second post.

Missed that one.   You pretty much summed up my thoughts and in a much smaller post. LOL



Mummelmann on 10 May 2010

I've always said that this gen would be dramatically shorter than most expect(ed). 2012 will be the start of the next one, I'm sure of it.



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MARCUSDJACKSON on 10 May 2010
Pipedream24 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Pipedream24 said:
zarx said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
wii 2 hd and 362 will be here in 2014. PS3 in 2015. i know. to close to the 10th yr. its just seems logical to me.

I think end of 2011 for Nintendo (3DS this year Wii 2 or whatever next year) possibly 2012, Microsoft 2012 and if Natal and or slim fails to increase sales a lot 2011, Sony should hold out until 2013 maybe even 2014 if move boosts sales and GT5 doesn't come out by 2013. IMO anyway 2014-2015 is wishful thinking on your part I think tech is reaching the point where a new gen is worthwhile, the current gen is getting a bit long in the tooth and Microsoft and Sony are running out of tricks to boost sales move and Natal smell of desperation TBH.

I agree with the 2012-2013 window for the relase of the next generation of consoles.  Between all three consoles, I believe Microsoft will show their hand first. 

The Wii, even though it sales are tapering off, is still a monster.  It will probably wind up the best selling console of all time.  Third party software sales may be lacking on it, but Nintendo's first party games and accessories are flying off the shelves.  It's really not much different than the last couple of generations for Nintendo, it's just on a larger scale.

The prohibitive cost of the PS3 when it was first released looks like it will pay off in the long run for Sony.  Disc storage constraints are not a problem for the PS3 and if GOW3 is any indication, there is still horsepower form the PS3 that still has not been tapped.  I believe Sony is in the best position as far as hardware goes.

The 360 on the other hand, is the the console that will probably need an upgrade the soonest.  DVD is just not big enough for the future of HD games.  Plus on the technical side, you have not seen major progress graphically in the past couple of years.  Unlike the PS3 in which you had Killzone 2, then Uncharted2, and GOW3 each push the graphics bar in succession, the 360 seems to have pretty much peaked with only minor room for improvement. 

I also agree with your feelings about both Move and Natal.  I don't feel either one will bring enough innovation to the table to create massive sales growth to sustain a longer console life cycle.  They might have a few games that become a nice diversion from the norm, but I don't see anything special coming because of them.  Plus add-ons just don't sell well.  Even if you manage to sell through to 25%( which would be a big number) of your user base (Roughly 8-10 million units each), it's just not enough people to try and sell games to. And yes they will both bundle the hardware with consoles, but it will be at an increased cost.  They are not going to give the equipment away for free or sell it for a loss.  Neither company wants to take a loss on hardware again.  In the end, it's just easier and cheaper to purchase a Wii.  It's the known quanity for motion controls.

 

 

 

agreed. check out my second post.

Missed that one.   You pretty much summed up my thoughts and in a much smaller post. LOL

just pointing out the obvious. besides we are just starting to get good games and innovative ip's.



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binary solo on 10 May 2010
CGI-Quality said:
binary solo said:
CGI-Quality said:

http://www.develop-online.net/blog/93/A-major-new-hardware-cycle-is-coming-Heres-why

Yes, I know, a LOOOONG read. An interesting one, nonetheless.

4 O's in long and CAPITALISED, for that? O_o Have you young'uns got the attention span of a gnat or something?

OT: I didn't know anyone was seriously anticipating this generaion would see the death of all consoles. I mean, with Michael Pachter predicting Wii2 / Wii HD every fortnight, and I vaguely recall him mentioning PS4 and probably even NextBox it seems one of the biggest industry forecasters (albeit unreliable in some areas of predicting) isn't seeing the death of consoles any...oh...wait...

You'd be surprised how much shorter past threads that I've made were, and they contained complaints of length. :P

Right, so gnat-like attention spans are quite common then. (Present company excepted, of course)



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1337 Gamer on 10 May 2010

I still stand by my initial prediction. We will see ATLEAST one of the new consoles be released for holiday 2012.



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Severance on 10 May 2010

you know CGI ? the only thing i read from that is "self control"

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MARCUSDJACKSON on 10 May 2010
1337 Gamer said:
I still stand by my initial prediction. We will see ATLEAST one of the new consoles be released for holiday 2012.


i feel you. there is a high possibility of that happenning.



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