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It seems the 360 version is the clear winner here based on userbase.



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If you HD fans are REALLY truly going to cling on to your "it's an old port!!1" excuse for NMH failing on the HD consoles, why then did RE4 on Wii, a 2 year old port, perform so well compared to the PS2 and Cube versions?

Why did COD: Reflex, the inferior port of COD4 that came out 2 years later and had no advertising, manage to scrape 1 million sales? Ports mean little. If the game is good enough, people will wait to buy it.

Being a port shouldn't matter, because all those HD gamers out there who were just starved for another Suda 51 game could finally buy one on their beloved HD consoles, albeit 2 years later. But if they wanted the game enough, do you really think they would simply stop wanting the game and give up on buying it? If that is indeed the case, then they must not have wanted it that much in the first place.

If we all should have expected this game to do poorly since it was a port, why then did Ubisoft bother releasing this port for the HD consoles in the first place (especially when you consider the costs for developing on HD consoles compared to Wii)? Why then did so many HD fans claim before the port was released that "NOT we will finally see the game actually get some sales!"

I just love topics like this because it shows clearly how fanboyism is so pronounced that it gets in the way of LOGIC. Despite the Wii version performing BETTER than the individial HD versions, the HD versions are still somehow a success "well CONSIDERING... blah blah blah" while the Wii is still at fault for making poor Suda 51's game fail. Honestly people, take a step back and think about what you're trying to argue from the viewpoint of logic.

If you're going to claim the game to be a success, that's fine, but you must also include the Wii version because the sales #s are so similar. Similarly, if the game bombed on Wii, it also bombed on the HD versions. You guys are trying to have your cake and eat it too.



the sales seem pretty close overall, I mean a difference of a few thousands is not that big of a deal.



Metallicube said:

If you HD fans are REALLY truly going to cling on to your "it's an old port!!1" excuse for NMH failing on the HD consoles, why then did RE4 on Wii, a 2 year old port, perform so well compared to the PS2 and Cube versions?

Why did COD: Reflex, the inferior port of COD4 that came out 2 years later and had no advertising, manage to scrape 1 million sales? Ports mean little. If the game is good enough, people will wait to buy it.

Being a port shouldn't matter, because all those HD gamers out there who were just starved for another Suda 51 game could finally buy one on their beloved HD consoles, albeit 2 years later. But if they wanted the game enough, do you really think they would simply stop wanting the game and give up on buying it? If that is indeed the case, then they must not have wanted it that much in the first place.

If we all should have expected this game to do poorly since it was a port, why then did Ubisoft bother releasing this port for the HD consoles in the first place (especially when you consider the costs for developing on HD consoles compared to Wii)? Why then did so many HD fans claim before the port was released that "NOT we will finally see the game actually get some sales!"

I just love topics like this because it shows clearly how fanboyism is so pronounced that it gets in the way of LOGIC. Despite the Wii version performing BETTER than the individial HD versions, the HD versions are still somehow a success "well CONSIDERING... blah blah blah" while the Wii is still at fault for making poor Suda 51's game fail. Honestly people, take a step back and think about what you're trying to argue from the viewpoint of logic.

If you're going to claim the game to be a success, that's fine, but you must also include the Wii version because the sales #s are so similar. Similarly, if the game bombed on Wii, it also bombed on the HD versions. You guys are trying to have your cake and eat it too.

Ok.

HD fans?

rofl

Methinks someone doesn't know what he's talking about.



i'd like to take a moment and lol.
because having the sales of the 360 version to be THIS close to the wii version tells you how this game sold like crap on the Wii.

look at the install base of the 360 and the Wii in japan, of course sales don't mean shit to me, but some of you guys trying to twist it as a "It did great on the wii" is funny.



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Metallicube said:

If you HD fans are REALLY truly going to cling on to your "it's an old port!!1" excuse for NMH failing on the HD consoles, why then did RE4 on Wii, a 2 year old port, perform so well compared to the PS2 and Cube versions?

Why did COD: Reflex, the inferior port of COD4 that came out 2 years later and had no advertising, manage to scrape 1 million sales? Ports mean little. If the game is good enough, people will wait to buy it.

Being a port shouldn't matter, because all those HD gamers out there who were just starved for another Suda 51 game could finally buy one on their beloved HD consoles, albeit 2 years later. But if they wanted the game enough, do you really think they would simply stop wanting the game and give up on buying it? If that is indeed the case, then they must not have wanted it that much in the first place.

If we all should have expected this game to do poorly since it was a port, why then did Ubisoft bother releasing this port for the HD consoles in the first place (especially when you consider the costs for developing on HD consoles compared to Wii)? Why then did so many HD fans claim before the port was released that "NOT we will finally see the game actually get some sales!"

I just love topics like this because it shows clearly how fanboyism is so pronounced that it gets in the way of LOGIC. Despite the Wii version performing BETTER than the individial HD versions, the HD versions are still somehow a success "well CONSIDERING... blah blah blah" while the Wii is still at fault for making poor Suda 51's game fail. Honestly people, take a step back and think about what you're trying to argue from the viewpoint of logic.

If you're going to claim the game to be a success, that's fine, but you must also include the Wii version because the sales #s are so similar. Similarly, if the game bombed on Wii, it also bombed on the HD versions. You guys are trying to have your cake and eat it too.

COD: Reflex did worse than the HD version, so that's more evidence that late ports do hurt than the opposite. 

RE4 Wii didn't do as well as the PS2 version, more evidence that being a late port hurts sales, besides the fact that RE4 Wii actually had a large number of changes that made it a fresh experience even for those who played it already.

You can go ahead and argue that I'm being a hypocrite if you like, but I've never said NMH was a failure and I'm not saying that NMH for HD is a success.  I'm saying that there are too many mitigating factors with a delayed release like this to make a conclusion one way or another on which console sells NMH best.

 



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Severance said:
i'd like to take a moment and lol.
because having the sales of the 360 version to be THIS close to the wii version tells you how this game sold like crap on the Wii.

look at the install base of the 360 and the Wii in japan, of course sales don't mean shit to me, but some of you guys trying to twist it as a "It did great on the wii" is funny.

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....for one.....saying that you can't combine the 2 HD sales is bullshit and lame excuse to construe end matter to your liking.

You're getting the exact same game version on both consoles on a split userbase....if one of those consoles didn't exist and you were left with one HD option....they would still have more sales.

Another thing you're looking at is you have a 2 year old port of a game that still sold close to the original sales on split consoles and outsold combined...

Either way you look at it....it still makes the wii sales look bad for barely getting more sales on a split userbase and for getting less sales with a combined userbase of a 2 year port.



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Metallicube said:

If you HD fans are REALLY truly going to cling on to your "it's an old port!!1" excuse for NMH failing on the HD consoles, why then did RE4 on Wii, a 2 year old port, perform so well compared to the PS2 and Cube versions?

Why did COD: Reflex, the inferior port of COD4 that came out 2 years later and had no advertising, manage to scrape 1 million sales? Ports mean little. If the game is good enough, people will wait to buy it.

Being a port shouldn't matter, because all those HD gamers out there who were just starved for another Suda 51 game could finally buy one on their beloved HD consoles, albeit 2 years later. But if they wanted the game enough, do you really think they would simply stop wanting the game and give up on buying it? If that is indeed the case, then they must not have wanted it that much in the first place.

If we all should have expected this game to do poorly since it was a port, why then did Ubisoft bother releasing this port for the HD consoles in the first place (especially when you consider the costs for developing on HD consoles compared to Wii)? Why then did so many HD fans claim before the port was released that "NOT we will finally see the game actually get some sales!"

I just love topics like this because it shows clearly how fanboyism is so pronounced that it gets in the way of LOGIC. Despite the Wii version performing BETTER than the individial HD versions, the HD versions are still somehow a success "well CONSIDERING... blah blah blah" while the Wii is still at fault for making poor Suda 51's game fail. Honestly people, take a step back and think about what you're trying to argue from the viewpoint of logic.

If you're going to claim the game to be a success, that's fine, but you must also include the Wii version because the sales #s are so similar. Similarly, if the game bombed on Wii, it also bombed on the HD versions. You guys are trying to have your cake and eat it too.

Why do you and Bamboleo keep bring up Reflex?  It certainly did fine when looking at it in a vacuum, but it was a port of a game that sold 13.5 million.  If no more heroes had sold 1668 copies (13.5 times less) on the HD consoles then nobody would even be having this conversation.  Also do you really think that the 150 million dollars spent on Modern Warfare 2 advertising did nothing to help Reflex?

And why bring up development costs?  There is no way porting the games cost more than the initial development.  Being on an HD console doesn't magically make every game cost tens of millions of dollars.  They aren't remaking the game from the ground up, ports simply aren't that expensive.



Metallicube said:

If you HD fans are REALLY truly going to cling on to your "it's an old port!!1" excuse for NMH failing on the HD consoles, why then did RE4 on Wii, a 2 year old port, perform so well compared to the PS2 and Cube versions?

Why did COD: Reflex, the inferior port of COD4 that came out 2 years later and had no advertising, manage to scrape 1 million sales? Ports mean little. If the game is good enough, people will wait to buy it.

Being a port shouldn't matter, because all those HD gamers out there who were just starved for another Suda 51 game could finally buy one on their beloved HD consoles, albeit 2 years later. But if they wanted the game enough, do you really think they would simply stop wanting the game and give up on buying it? If that is indeed the case, then they must not have wanted it that much in the first place.

If we all should have expected this game to do poorly since it was a port, why then did Ubisoft bother releasing this port for the HD consoles in the first place (especially when you consider the costs for developing on HD consoles compared to Wii)? Why then did so many HD fans claim before the port was released that "NOT we will finally see the game actually get some sales!"

I just love topics like this because it shows clearly how fanboyism is so pronounced that it gets in the way of LOGIC. Despite the Wii version performing BETTER than the individial HD versions, the HD versions are still somehow a success "well CONSIDERING... blah blah blah" while the Wii is still at fault for making poor Suda 51's game fail. Honestly people, take a step back and think about what you're trying to argue from the viewpoint of logic.

If you're going to claim the game to be a success, that's fine, but you must also include the Wii version because the sales #s are so similar. Similarly, if the game bombed on Wii, it also bombed on the HD versions. You guys are trying to have your cake and eat it too.

i really dont think you know what you are talking about^

RE and COD are massively polular games, if they release on another console much later, people will still want to play them

unfortunatly NMH doesnt come into that bracket, game is so so and wont have any mass market appeal, its great its released on HD though i hope NMH2 also gets a release.



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