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UK General Election, Election Day and Results Thread

New Labour - Gordon Brown 9 17.65%
 
Conservatives - David Cameron 15 29.41%
 
Liberal Democrats - Nick Clegg 21 41.18%
 
UKIP - Lord Pearson 3 5.88%
 
Green Party - Caroline Lucas 0 0%
 
Others (National Parties,... 3 5.88%
 
Total:51
jonop on 10 May 2010

Browns resigning, it seems.



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SciFiBoy on 10 May 2010
kowenicki said:
SciFiBoy said:
kowenicki said:
I am getting rather annoyed with the lib-dems...

It is patently obvious that they arent now working in the best interests of the country at all.

The ONLY thing they want guaranteed is political reform, thats about the best interests of the Lib-Dems and not the people of this country. Whats happened to all their principles on "fairness" in the economy and the massive change in immigration and defence.. you know real issues that affect people every day.... all of these can apparently be sacrifised apparentrly so long as tyhey get political rfeform. Weak, spineless self serving politicians... as per usual.

Labnour are even worse... they are saying they will agree to everything and anything to hang in there. sickening.

If we end up with a coalition of losers then I, and I think the vocal majority, will be mighty pissed off. I'd expect Nick Clegg to get an absolute mauling in the press if he sells his soul and integrity for a slice of power... a slice of power that wont last 6 months in my opinion. A lib/lab agreement is built on sand and would evaporate very very quickly.

Gordon Brown hasnt won anything ever... he didn't win an election of even his peers to become party leader, he didn't win an election to become prime minister and now he has lost another election as leader... and he has the chance to stay as Prime Minsiter.... and this is democratic is it? Do me a favour... it stinks!!!!

1. the "best interests of the country" is about as subjective a statement as exists in politics...

2. hardly, infact most of there talk so far has been about the economy (and this is according to the Conservatives btw...) but of course, they want something in return for there support in a co-allition, thats fair enough and how these things work elsewhere. also, most opinion polls have show public support for electoral reform...

3. Labour have every right to hold out for a co-allition of there own, heck until an alternative is found, the constitution itself says that the PM stays on, so all this right wing media guff about Brown clinging on is utter drivel and only shows their complete ignorance of the system.

4. they would be a co-alition with more seats and considerably more votes than the Conservatives (on their own) have...the majourity of people would have voted for one of the parties in the co-allition...its only the media morons who wouldnt be able to see that...

5. okay, let me explain this for you, this is how the UK Political System works and has done for many years:

when you vote, you vote for a Party and there candidate in your constituency.

you do not, unless you live in their constituency, vote for the person who becomes PM

the PM is the leader of the party with the most seats in the Commons (or the leader of the co-allition)

so, HE won HIS seat, several times in fact...

HIS party won the 2005 election, he became leader of that party in 2007 as he was the only person who stood and no-one opposed him to become leader, they had every oppurtunity to have opposed him before he took that position.

do you understand now, how our system works? or do you just want to ignore this like the media?

wow...lol   pompous or what...

Lets deal with that point by point...

1.  The "best interests of the country" at this time is not remotely ambiguous... do you know anything about the economy? or do you walk around with your eyes closed?

2. Something in return?  What..? total electoral reform?  Thats the one thing they arent going to get and they know it.  Show me these public opinion polls that say electoral reform is so desired...  the last one I saw... last Thursday.. didnt really go for it.

3. Yes Labour have that constitutional right, everyone knows this.  But that doesn tmean they have the moral right and I doubt there are many who could stomach this outside of Labour voters.

4. Considerably more seats?  you mean 9.... not even a majority government.

5. I know perfectly well how the political sytem works... but how many previous Prime ministers can you name me that have been in power for 4 years and never had to lead an election campaign to continue as PM.  and as you said he didnt even win an election to become leader of the labour party.

 

BTW... still in favour of full integration into Europe and the Euro?..... even though you seem to know bugger all about the economics of it?

 

This mess is a fine advert for PR... the UK public will be very anti if it continues much longer.

 

 

1. dont kid yourself, you know how subjective that is, heck on the economy alone it could mean 50 different things to 50 different people.

2. BBC had one yesterday on TV which said 60% want reform. and yes it is fair that they ask for it in return, do you not understand how compromise works?

3. stomach it or not, it is how our system works, if you dont like it, suggest an alternative system.

4. read my post properly, I dont mean just Lib-Lab, they would also have the SNP, PC and more, so they would have a majourity and more seats.

5. ill look into it for you, they may well have. and he only didnt win because no-one wanted to stand against him and at the time he had the support of the party.

6. in fairness, the Greek crisis has made me more hesitant about the Euro, at least in the current economic climate.

7. how so? people want a government that is democratic and representative, politics always takes time, always has done, always will, I think most people understand that.



zuvuyeay on 10 May 2010

@sc-fi

the media works both ways

blair and labour wouldn't of got in so easy without the murdoch backed media,

whats happening now is a form of PR with a 1st past the post system,i don't see whats wrong with this,its just that the center/left aren't in the driving seat,so the lefties are upset about it,

don't kid yourself about the importance of the leader,labour will drop brown as soon as this is over

the fact is the tories got the most votes and seats out of any party however the left want to spin it



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jonop on 10 May 2010

I'm quite surprised. I thought he was too stubborn to step down. This could end up in an odd situation, with an unelected Prime Minister. I don't know what will happen now.



SciFiBoy on 10 May 2010
zuvuyeay said:
@sc-fi

the media works both ways

blair and labour wouldn't of got in so easy without the murdoch backed media,

whats happening now is a form of PR with a 1st past the post system,i don't see whats wrong with this,its just that the center/left aren't in the driving seat,so the lefties are upset about it,

don't kid yourself about the importance of the leader,labour will drop brown as soon as this is over

the fact is the tories got the most votes and seats out of any party however the left want to spin it

no-one is denying that last bit, nor can they.

you need 50% of the seats (and imo 50% of the vote) to have a majority.

if the Conservatives had won 50%+ of the vote, I would be upset as I dont like them, but I couldnt really complain.

and yes, I do think that Labour shouldnt have got a majority because they only had 36% of the vote.



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jonop on 10 May 2010
kowenicki said:
libdems keep saying "STRONG and STABLE"

STRONG does not equal a minority government.

STABLE does not equal a government where the leader will be gone within a few months.

Joke.

David Steel, failiure of all failures, has just been on saying he prefers a lab/lib coalition.. what a self-serving dick.

It won't be a minority government. There will be other parties involved.



jonop on 10 May 2010
kowenicki said:
jonop said:
kowenicki said:
libdems keep saying "STRONG and STABLE"

STRONG does not equal a minority government.

STABLE does not equal a government where the leader will be gone within a few months.

Joke.

David Steel, failiure of all failures, has just been on saying he prefers a lab/lib coalition.. what a self-serving dick.

It won't be a minority government. There will be other parties involved.


see my post above...

and you like that idea?

I don't really like any ideas Iv'e heard so far. The whole thing is a mess. 



SciFiBoy on 10 May 2010
kowenicki said:
jonop said:
kowenicki said:
libdems keep saying "STRONG and STABLE"

STRONG does not equal a minority government.

STABLE does not equal a government where the leader will be gone within a few months.

Joke.

David Steel, failiure of all failures, has just been on saying he prefers a lab/lib coalition.. what a self-serving dick.

It won't be a minority government. There will be other parties involved.


see my post above...

and you like that idea?

I dont know about like, but I guess its better than the Tories being in power.

if we had PR then Lib-Lab would have a majority without them, sadly, we do not.



zuvuyeay on 10 May 2010

finally brown leaves

the labs and libs must of talked,lol



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SciFiBoy on 10 May 2010
kowenicki said:
SciFiBoy said:
zuvuyeay said:
@sc-fi

the media works both ways

blair and labour wouldn't of got in so easy without the murdoch backed media,

whats happening now is a form of PR with a 1st past the post system,i don't see whats wrong with this,its just that the center/left aren't in the driving seat,so the lefties are upset about it,

don't kid yourself about the importance of the leader,labour will drop brown as soon as this is over

the fact is the tories got the most votes and seats out of any party however the left want to spin it

no-one is denying that last bit, nor can they.

you need 50% of the seats (and imo 50% of the vote) to have a majority.

if the Conservatives had won 50%+ of the vote, I would be upset as I dont like them, but I couldnt really complain.

and yes, I do think that Labour shouldnt have got a majority because they only had 36% of the vote.

You do know that Cameron got as many votes as Blair did for his LANDSLIDE win in 2001... and far more than Blair did in 2005?

yes, like I said, I think we should have had PR, but heck, I cant change the past.