kowenicki said:
SciFiBoy said:
kowenicki said:
I am getting rather annoyed with the lib-dems...
It is patently obvious that they arent now working in the best interests of the country at all.
The ONLY thing they want guaranteed is political reform, thats about the best interests of the Lib-Dems and not the people of this country. Whats happened to all their principles on "fairness" in the economy and the massive change in immigration and defence.. you know real issues that affect people every day.... all of these can apparently be sacrifised apparentrly so long as tyhey get political rfeform. Weak, spineless self serving politicians... as per usual.
Labnour are even worse... they are saying they will agree to everything and anything to hang in there. sickening.
If we end up with a coalition of losers then I, and I think the vocal majority, will be mighty pissed off. I'd expect Nick Clegg to get an absolute mauling in the press if he sells his soul and integrity for a slice of power... a slice of power that wont last 6 months in my opinion. A lib/lab agreement is built on sand and would evaporate very very quickly.
Gordon Brown hasnt won anything ever... he didn't win an election of even his peers to become party leader, he didn't win an election to become prime minister and now he has lost another election as leader... and he has the chance to stay as Prime Minsiter.... and this is democratic is it? Do me a favour... it stinks!!!!
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1. the "best interests of the country" is about as subjective a statement as exists in politics...
2. hardly, infact most of there talk so far has been about the economy (and this is according to the Conservatives btw...) but of course, they want something in return for there support in a co-allition, thats fair enough and how these things work elsewhere. also, most opinion polls have show public support for electoral reform...
3. Labour have every right to hold out for a co-allition of there own, heck until an alternative is found, the constitution itself says that the PM stays on, so all this right wing media guff about Brown clinging on is utter drivel and only shows their complete ignorance of the system.
4. they would be a co-alition with more seats and considerably more votes than the Conservatives (on their own) have...the majourity of people would have voted for one of the parties in the co-allition...its only the media morons who wouldnt be able to see that...
5. okay, let me explain this for you, this is how the UK Political System works and has done for many years:
when you vote, you vote for a Party and there candidate in your constituency.
you do not, unless you live in their constituency, vote for the person who becomes PM
the PM is the leader of the party with the most seats in the Commons (or the leader of the co-allition)
so, HE won HIS seat, several times in fact...
HIS party won the 2005 election, he became leader of that party in 2007 as he was the only person who stood and no-one opposed him to become leader, they had every oppurtunity to have opposed him before he took that position.
do you understand now, how our system works? or do you just want to ignore this like the media?
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wow...lol pompous or what...
Lets deal with that point by point...
1. The "best interests of the country" at this time is not remotely ambiguous... do you know anything about the economy? or do you walk around with your eyes closed?
2. Something in return? What..? total electoral reform? Thats the one thing they arent going to get and they know it. Show me these public opinion polls that say electoral reform is so desired... the last one I saw... last Thursday.. didnt really go for it.
3. Yes Labour have that constitutional right, everyone knows this. But that doesn tmean they have the moral right and I doubt there are many who could stomach this outside of Labour voters.
4. Considerably more seats? you mean 9.... not even a majority government.
5. I know perfectly well how the political sytem works... but how many previous Prime ministers can you name me that have been in power for 4 years and never had to lead an election campaign to continue as PM. and as you said he didnt even win an election to become leader of the labour party.
BTW... still in favour of full integration into Europe and the Euro?..... even though you seem to know bugger all about the economics of it?
This mess is a fine advert for PR... the UK public will be very anti if it continues much longer.
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1. dont kid yourself, you know how subjective that is, heck on the economy alone it could mean 50 different things to 50 different people.
2. BBC had one yesterday on TV which said 60% want reform. and yes it is fair that they ask for it in return, do you not understand how compromise works?
3. stomach it or not, it is how our system works, if you dont like it, suggest an alternative system.
4. read my post properly, I dont mean just Lib-Lab, they would also have the SNP, PC and more, so they would have a majourity and more seats.
5. ill look into it for you, they may well have. and he only didnt win because no-one wanted to stand against him and at the time he had the support of the party.
6. in fairness, the Greek crisis has made me more hesitant about the Euro, at least in the current economic climate.
7. how so? people want a government that is democratic and representative, politics always takes time, always has done, always will, I think most people understand that.
