UK General Election, Election Day and Results Thread | |||
| New Labour - Gordon Brown | 9 | 17.65% | |
| Conservatives - David Cameron | 15 | 29.41% | |
| Liberal Democrats - Nick Clegg | 21 | 41.18% | |
| UKIP - Lord Pearson | 3 | 5.88% | |
| Green Party - Caroline Lucas | 0 | 0% | |
| Others (National Parties,... | 3 | 5.88% | |
| Total: | 51 | ||
Let's just hurry up and turn the House of Commons into an English parliament like it was before we got married to Scotland.
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Conservatives would have won if it was on percentage of nations vote anyway. The cut off point would have likely being 33%~
Looks like UKIP may have cost the Conservatives 18 seats.
Another election with UKIP promising not to challenge the Conservative could put them 2 away from a majority.
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kowenicki said:
Which policy concession do you expect the Liberals to demand from the Tories? Whichever concession they get, the bottom line is that only 23% of the elctorate voted for the Lib Dems... so 77% will get a policy forced on them they didnt want or vote for by a minority party? And that is MORE democratic...? |
well, look at it like this:
Party A represents 36% of the vote and only those 36%.
Party's B and C represent the 23% and 29% who voted for them, together they represent a total of 52% of the electorate.
| kowenicki said: No.. not really That combined 52% doesnt actually represent or reflect ANYONES actual vote.... What I mean by that is that the coalition you put forward there has a major problem... none of the consituent parties can deliver on their maifesto. So what you have is a coalition government that is not going to deliver what it promised to its voters. For instance... what if you voted Lib dem on the 2 big issues of electoral reform and immigratioin... those two then issues then get dropped as a condition of the coalition (EXTREMELY likely)? How does this coalition then represent what you voted for? My point is that it isnt MORE democratic or MORE representative.... it is just another way of forming governments. |
Realistically, the Lib Dems will get exactly zero of their main policies enacted, and a couple of unimportant ministerial posts. The Liberals' negotiating position is not strong because the Conservatives could feasibly run a minority government with the DUP (who would only require than Northern Ireland spending remains high as a precondition).
It will be a Conservative government plus the occasional yellow logo in the background.
kowenicki said:
Which policy concession do you expect the Liberals to demand from the Tories? Whichever concession they get, the bottom line is that only 23% of the elctorate voted for the Lib Dems... so 77% will get a policy forced on them they didnt want or vote for by a minority party? And that is MORE democratic...? |
See, that is one of the issues with democracy. If you go with a straightly proportional democracy (to where the % only determines the outcome), then it will note represent the constituents at all.
So lets say it did go by percentage alone - where do you put these MPs to represent the people? If the LD's got 25% of the vote, then where do you put their 25% of MPs at to represent the people? The answer is that they'd wind up representing people that simply did not elect them. You would put MPs in areas that did not vote for them. Eventually, this would drastically effect the outcome of elections as those in power would shape the constituencies to those in power more grossly than it does today.
That is why you need a representative form of government - so people can actually vote for someone to represent them. If its proportional, it defeats that entirely, because the people of England voted to ensure that they had 2XX representatives of the major parties represent them. If the LDs are unsatisfied with this, then they should simply get more people to vote for them in the right districts.
Back from the dead, I'm afraid.
highwaystar101 said:
Helloooo Phinch... The Liberal Democrats are FAR more capable of running the country. There is far more to running a country than experience. Everyone has to be elected for a first time... Did George Washington run the USA poorly? Experience is not an issue when comparing an able party to an unable party. BNP are unable, the Liberal democrats are. A simplified analogy would be if I were to challenge a person with no hands to a plate spinning contest. I would win every time for the fact that I am able to spin plates and they are not, even though we are both equally as experienced. Just to pre-empt the inevitable rebuttal of "The BNP are just as competent as the Liberal Democrats", they are not. The BNP have put absolutely zero thought into their policies outside of "Kick the Immigrants out!". The Liberal Democrats on the other hand have meticulously planned all their policies; their policies are serious and well thought out. What's the BNP economic policy? Cut trading except for with the family ties (Canada and Australia essentially), yeah good luck with that when you're facing a deficit capable of crippling the UK. What is the Liberal democrats economic policy? Consult with businesses for regulation repeal requests, rebalance the tax system and cut corporate loopholes, cut public spending, promote the UK as a centre for industry worldwide. Is the Lib Dem economic policy perfect? No. Is it better than the BNP's idea of becoming isolationist whilst we are in so much debt? Yes, by miles. And policy after policy the Liberal Democrats are more serious and have planned them much better than the BNP. The Liberal Democrats are far more capable of running the country than the BNP. Also, the Liberal Democrats have been in the political game for A LOT longer than the BNP, their experience in politics is far greater as they are a merger of what was the Social Democratic party and the the liberal party. Their root extend back into the 17th century... The BNP started in the early 80's. And if you want to go for experience anyway, the Lib Dems have had considerable amounts more experience of representing constituencies, something that pays off for actually understanding and governing the country. |
Oooo Highwaystar, you know im only yanking your chain 
@sci-fi
i don't understand why you keep quoting 52% of lab/lib
why don't you quote con/lib of 59% or any other combination,why not all parties at 100%
this shows the down side of PR
the main problem for us with PR is that we have 4 countries trying to act as one,
if scotland was on their own,most of them would vote snp,same with wales they'd vote PC but as britain they vote labour
the big loser are the english,if all the countries voted individually,i think the vote would be different
england should get its own parliament now i think
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| zuvuyeay said: @sci-fi i don't understand why you keep quoting 52% of lab/lib why don't you quote con/lib of 59% or any other combination,why not all parties at 100% this shows the down side of PR the main problem for us with PR is that we have 4 countries trying to act as one, if scotland was on their own,most of them would vote snp,same with wales they'd vote PC but as britain they vote labour the big loser are the english,if all the countries voted individually,i think the vote would be different england should get its own parliament now i think |
I did in my first post, just didnt mention the figure.
I think we may well see more devolution now.
| zuvuyeay said: @sci-fi i don't understand why you keep quoting 52% of lab/lib why don't you quote con/lib of 59% or any other combination,why not all parties at 100% this shows the down side of PR the main problem for us with PR is that we have 4 countries trying to act as one, if scotland was on their own,most of them would vote snp,same with wales they'd vote PC but as britain they vote labour the big loser are the english,if all the countries voted individually,i think the vote would be different england should get its own parliament now i think |
The compatibility of their policies, it's simple.
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