phinch1 said:
highwaystar101 said:
phinch1 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Actually no, I'll add a third analogy. It's like a party where you have your family round (no VGChartz), but you notice that the black man your cousin recently married came too.
It would be like going up to him and asking him to leave because you think he doesn't deserve to be there as much as the rest of the family. Even if you offer to pay his taxi fare, it doesn't justify asking him to leave whatsoever. |
ahh well now your analogy is flawed because if i had family round and no (Vg members) then my house would no longer be full therefore I wouldn't ask anyone to leave.
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Ok, what if your family is really large. What if your house was full of family members? Would you ask the black person to leave because he is black?
My analogy wasn't flawed, you tried to make it look flawed.
Your analogy used two groups of people and it was pretty clear who they represented (Family = British people: VGchartz = immigrants). You wouldn't be asking the immigrants to leave, you would be asking a member of your own family (the British) to leave based on their lineage.
My analogy suits up to what Griffin is proposing, he doesn't want the immigrants to leave in this case, he's asking British people (the family) to leave.
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The thing is I didnt try too at all I picked that up in seconds, and hours later you come back "trying to fix your analogy" Yes I can see what your saying but I don't know why you keep bringing "black" people into this when it's pointed at many races, infact any race that isnt British, So drop the colour card for a minute please.
Yes he has asked in General, Its up to the people weather they listen to him or not, if they wanted to they could completly ignore it (even though I know its hard to ignore a dam ignorant coment like that) actually who knows, I bet there will be a few cases where people would snatch his hand off for the money.
can you do me a favour please, can you post a link on my page of the actual context it was said in, Because without reading it and just using common sense I don't think it would count to people like say if my grandad was German, I don't think the "offering me money to go back home rule would apply" which is what I can see some people saying on here and blowing out of proportion.
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Yeah, sorry I didn't reply to you while I was at the pub with my mates. Next time I'll take my computer. I have a life you know.
And I didn't try to fix my analogy, you tried to poke a hole in it that wasn't there. To be honest at this point I would of assumed that as we used the "full house" metaphor for all of them it kind of goes without saying. You do it again with "I don't know why you keep bringing black people into it when it is aimed at any race that isn't British", the problem isn't there; you've missed the whole point of that that he's RECENTLY MARRIED into your family, in other words he is a member, but only a new one. That's exactly what Griffin wants to do, he wants to take people who are only second or third generation British and ask them to leave.
Don't like the race card? ok then, let's drop the black part. Obviously you don't want it because as you said it's pointed at "any race that isn't British" (which does not make it better by a long shot), we can replace the "black" part quite happily with "Man of non indigenous British origin".
And again, you seem to think that the fact that people have a choice justifies asking them to leave. It's not ok to base a policy on such a racist foundation. It's not ok to single out a group of people based on their lineage. It's not ok to ask people to leave because their family has
roots in another country when they consider themselves British.
The link can be found some way down first page (and also my rebuttal), it's the interview on Radio 4. The woman interviewing him asks him about statistics he uses at 3:30, which essentially comes down to all people who are non indigenous British. The plan to pay said people to leave comes at 4:30 and is a further development of the discussion on which people he defines. You can also find it on the BNP policy pages.
Essentially it is "These are the types of British people I don't consider British, people with non long British lineage", "I will offer these people somewhere in the region of £50,000 to leave"
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