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pizzahut451 on 03 May 2010
Seece said:
pizzahut451 said:
dunno001 said:
pizzahut451 said:
RockSmith372 said:
Since I am an agnostic, I have nothing against gays. I think gays should have the same opportunities as any other couple. It would empty many orphanages because all gay couples would have to adopt. Seriously, it would work out so well.

please tell me you are joking. a child having 2 fathers and no mother would be the worst thing ever to happen to the child.

Not true. While I don't agree in how easily it would empty the orphanages, as has been modified in a later post by RockSmith, it would be a step in the right direction. The worst thing for the child is to be left, unwanted, in an overburdened system, with no network of support for when they turn 18 and are kicked out of said system. These children aren't going to know what it's like to be in a loving family. They can't suddenly afford to live on their own, so they become a burden on another system, further creating a need for them to be dependant, rather than an individual. Whereas, say, an 8 year old gets adopted into a caring family with 2 fathers (or 2 mothers), then the child can see what love truely is like, and have a support to fall back on should shit hit the fan later. And when that awkward time comes, there's someone they can speak with. The only detriment I could see from this is some extra teasing from some kids at school, but if anything, it would make the kid come out stronger, and realize who his true friends are.

A child NEEDS both male and femal parent. 2 males(or 2 females) are not capable of raising a child. not properly anyways. And while i agree that not getting adopted at all is pretty bad, its not as bad as having 2 fathers/mothers as your parents.

Dunno please don't rise to this nonsense. Report and ignore

it is absolutely insane to suggest that child can be raised properly by a gay copule and i think that entire world would agree with me on this one.

 

and why on earth should he report me??? if you cant handle a discussion without being a bitter, dont dont discuss anything.(not aimed at you or dunno)



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Seece on 03 May 2010
pizzahut451 said:
Seece said:
pizzahut451 said:
dunno001 said:
pizzahut451 said:
RockSmith372 said:
Since I am an agnostic, I have nothing against gays. I think gays should have the same opportunities as any other couple. It would empty many orphanages because all gay couples would have to adopt. Seriously, it would work out so well.

please tell me you are joking. a child having 2 fathers and no mother would be the worst thing ever to happen to the child.

Not true. While I don't agree in how easily it would empty the orphanages, as has been modified in a later post by RockSmith, it would be a step in the right direction. The worst thing for the child is to be left, unwanted, in an overburdened system, with no network of support for when they turn 18 and are kicked out of said system. These children aren't going to know what it's like to be in a loving family. They can't suddenly afford to live on their own, so they become a burden on another system, further creating a need for them to be dependant, rather than an individual. Whereas, say, an 8 year old gets adopted into a caring family with 2 fathers (or 2 mothers), then the child can see what love truely is like, and have a support to fall back on should shit hit the fan later. And when that awkward time comes, there's someone they can speak with. The only detriment I could see from this is some extra teasing from some kids at school, but if anything, it would make the kid come out stronger, and realize who his true friends are.

A child NEEDS both male and femal parent. 2 males(or 2 females) are not capable of raising a child. not properly anyways. And while i agree that not getting adopted at all is pretty bad, its not as bad as having 2 fathers/mothers as your parents.

Dunno please don't rise to this nonsense. Report and ignore

it is absolutely insane to suggest that child can be raised properly by a gay copule and i think that entire world would agree with me on this one.

 

and why on earth should he report me??? if you cant handle a discussion without being a bitter, dont dont discuss anything.(not aimed at you or dunno)

I know I should take my own advice, but I'll reply to you civally.

 

I know 2 lots of gay parents, male and female. Both the children were boys, both have had a loving childhood, they were rarely bullied about it, and they turned out like a normal people.

I don't understand your need (other than being anti gay, don't denie it) to put across how it's IMPOSSIBLE, for gay parents to be good parents because I've seen 2 examples of the opposite, and none proving you right. 

"the entire world" are you kidding? that's a massive overstatement, I know that all of the girls I work with at work agree gay adoption is fine, and a handful of other (straight) people that agree with it. It's just your view on the matter and possibly the area you live in, where I can't say "the whole world agree's with gay adoption" I know there is nowhere near half of the people I know that disagree with it, and the vast majority of my friends are straight males, heck just look at VGChartz, it's full of very straight pro gay people and few anti gays.

You're just spreading hate, and that isn't tolerated here. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion within reason, you're not giving any reason why gay parents are bad, just that they are. You're anti gay and you're just spreading hate trying to get on people's nerves.

 

I learnt to not let ignorant views like this rile me up a long time ago, I am interested in your response as to how gay/lesbian adoption shouldn't be allowed though. Only if it isn't old fashioned of course ...



 

ManusJustus on 03 May 2010
pizzahut451 said:

it is absolutely insane to suggest that child can be raised properly by a gay copule

There are many heterosexual parents who don't raise their children properly.

If a gay couple wants to adopt a child, that is a much better situation than not being adopted or having heterosexual parents who don't want them.



radiantshadow92 on 03 May 2010
Seece said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Seece said:
radiantshadow92 said:
zexen_lowe said:
radiantshadow92 said:
PhoenixKing said:

1.)"No religion accepts us as the person we know ourselves to be. Rather, we are told that we are inadequate, unsatisfactory and helpless. We fear that this is so, and to give us hope 2.)we construct a fantasy about how we are superior to those who do not share our views.3.)On these grounds we feel entitled to force our views on non-believers."

Also, why are many religions against homosexuality?

http://www.vatican.va/various/cappelle/sistina_vr/index.html

4.Those images in the back are full of naked men and women casually acknowledging each other. This is a religious symbol in a very well-known chapel and it's full of homosexual images made many years before any of us were even born. So why is homosexuality unacceptable to some of the more narrow-minded religious followers?

1. There are tons of religions who accept us the way we are. Christianity being one of them. It is just that when someone does something wrong, they must be consulted. Countless of religions do not make you helpless, rather more confident.

 

2. It is not how they are superior, rather they wish for more to join their cause. I have never heard anyone in my religion say, i am better than you because i am Christian. If it does happen, it is because the person is a duche'. Not the religion. 

 

3. Again its the people. Not the religion.

 

 

4. At the time, that is what was popular in art. And it's not like the guy painted it to mean "hey its gay". 

 

The reason why its unacceptable to most is because the bible says so. The followers of Christianity simply take this to their death. Too add, homosexuality wants to be accepted in marriage when Christians feel it is their ritual. In marriage, a bible is read. It is normal to see how Christians can be angered.

Imo i do not think anyone should be homosexual. People say fuck it, leave them alone. But, what if the whole world was homosexual? We would cease to exist. Even if God was not real, if mankind follows his word, they would turn out perfectly fine. His laws are all good and mean well. Scientifically it is just not right for human beings to be gay. Some say you cannot lie to love. But what if we begin to love animals that way. Why can't an animal and a human be married? Why is it cruel? Because if we all did it, we would all be dead. IMO God simply did not want this to happen.

Something to Remember: This is my opinion and it does not mean i am an asshole or whatever (I get that alot). I have never treated any homosexual any differently than i do Straights, because i know its not my place to try and judge them. And just incase you did not get this, i am Christian >_<

 

 

Nevermind the fact that you're forgetting that homosexuality is just caused by some genetical and hormonal causes, much like, for example in the genetics case, blond hair or height or whatever you want. Therefore it's impossible for all the world to be gay since it's just not gonna happen naturally, gay people will continue to exist and be born, and straight people the same, and same with bi, and straights won't magically become gays or bi simply because they can't, and viceversa. Why in the world would we need to picture such world that's totally impossible to happen? Why don't we picture a world where everyone is a woman, or one where everyone is impotent, or one where everyone is missing one leg? Because it's idiotic to do so, then why imagine a world where everyone is gay? Your argument is totally pointless. Scientifically it's as right for a human to be gay as it is for a human to be blond or whatever trait you might want to come up with

Yes, some are caused by genetics, but imo not even half of them. If what you say is true, then all gay people should be born gay. it is not that way in the world. There are tons of people that will go from straight to gay to bi back to straight in a month, and its pathetic. I dont imagine this world, but what i believe is that God imagined it. And he did not want it. Just like having sex before marriage, God did not want sex to become a thing a pleasure, rather a form to give birth. Those things that you said about everyone one being women, or with one leg, are impossible. Because men and people with 2 legs exist (people having one leg would not be so bad anyways). Gays continue to grow, and i only use that to state why i do not beleive in it. Scientifically, it is not. The human body is MEAN'T to have an opposite sex to offspring, it could take centuries before humans adapt to the point where we are able to live otherwise. 

"Yes, some are caused by genetics, but imo not even half of them."

How exactly would you come to that conclusion? It's an insult frankly.

what i mean't by that is that people are born gay *i do not actually know if it involves genetics, i mean't born gay*...but i am saying that most gays are now simply changing from straight, and i do not think it is right for someone to "turn" gay just because of some confusions they might have in their lives that turning gay can help them with. Someone always gets insulted, i hate it, i might not reply after this because insulting anyone is the last thing i want to do >_<

lol, they're not turning gay, the married men aged 42 with children do not turn gay, they were always gay.

You have not been anywhere near a high school, or a college, or anywhere where people are pressured into things and where people think that being gay can help they're problems *it happens all over the world.*...the married men who were always gay, can carry on doing whatever the heck they want, but i have never heard a gay person or spokesmen say, "this is my orientation, it is not to be experimented with, but born with". Any gay person that says that has my vote.



sapphi_snake on 03 May 2010
radiantshadow92 said:
Seece said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Seece said:
radiantshadow92 said:
zexen_lowe said:
radiantshadow92 said:
PhoenixKing said:

1.)"No religion accepts us as the person we know ourselves to be. Rather, we are told that we are inadequate, unsatisfactory and helpless. We fear that this is so, and to give us hope 2.)we construct a fantasy about how we are superior to those who do not share our views.3.)On these grounds we feel entitled to force our views on non-believers."

Also, why are many religions against homosexuality?

http://www.vatican.va/various/cappelle/sistina_vr/index.html

4.Those images in the back are full of naked men and women casually acknowledging each other. This is a religious symbol in a very well-known chapel and it's full of homosexual images made many years before any of us were even born. So why is homosexuality unacceptable to some of the more narrow-minded religious followers?

1. There are tons of religions who accept us the way we are. Christianity being one of them. It is just that when someone does something wrong, they must be consulted. Countless of religions do not make you helpless, rather more confident.

 

2. It is not how they are superior, rather they wish for more to join their cause. I have never heard anyone in my religion say, i am better than you because i am Christian. If it does happen, it is because the person is a duche'. Not the religion. 

 

3. Again its the people. Not the religion.

 

 

4. At the time, that is what was popular in art. And it's not like the guy painted it to mean "hey its gay". 

 

The reason why its unacceptable to most is because the bible says so. The followers of Christianity simply take this to their death. Too add, homosexuality wants to be accepted in marriage when Christians feel it is their ritual. In marriage, a bible is read. It is normal to see how Christians can be angered.

Imo i do not think anyone should be homosexual. People say fuck it, leave them alone. But, what if the whole world was homosexual? We would cease to exist. Even if God was not real, if mankind follows his word, they would turn out perfectly fine. His laws are all good and mean well. Scientifically it is just not right for human beings to be gay. Some say you cannot lie to love. But what if we begin to love animals that way. Why can't an animal and a human be married? Why is it cruel? Because if we all did it, we would all be dead. IMO God simply did not want this to happen.

Something to Remember: This is my opinion and it does not mean i am an asshole or whatever (I get that alot). I have never treated any homosexual any differently than i do Straights, because i know its not my place to try and judge them. And just incase you did not get this, i am Christian >_<

 

 

Nevermind the fact that you're forgetting that homosexuality is just caused by some genetical and hormonal causes, much like, for example in the genetics case, blond hair or height or whatever you want. Therefore it's impossible for all the world to be gay since it's just not gonna happen naturally, gay people will continue to exist and be born, and straight people the same, and same with bi, and straights won't magically become gays or bi simply because they can't, and viceversa. Why in the world would we need to picture such world that's totally impossible to happen? Why don't we picture a world where everyone is a woman, or one where everyone is impotent, or one where everyone is missing one leg? Because it's idiotic to do so, then why imagine a world where everyone is gay? Your argument is totally pointless. Scientifically it's as right for a human to be gay as it is for a human to be blond or whatever trait you might want to come up with

Yes, some are caused by genetics, but imo not even half of them. If what you say is true, then all gay people should be born gay. it is not that way in the world. There are tons of people that will go from straight to gay to bi back to straight in a month, and its pathetic. I dont imagine this world, but what i believe is that God imagined it. And he did not want it. Just like having sex before marriage, God did not want sex to become a thing a pleasure, rather a form to give birth. Those things that you said about everyone one being women, or with one leg, are impossible. Because men and people with 2 legs exist (people having one leg would not be so bad anyways). Gays continue to grow, and i only use that to state why i do not beleive in it. Scientifically, it is not. The human body is MEAN'T to have an opposite sex to offspring, it could take centuries before humans adapt to the point where we are able to live otherwise. 

"Yes, some are caused by genetics, but imo not even half of them."

How exactly would you come to that conclusion? It's an insult frankly.

what i mean't by that is that people are born gay *i do not actually know if it involves genetics, i mean't born gay*...but i am saying that most gays are now simply changing from straight, and i do not think it is right for someone to "turn" gay just because of some confusions they might have in their lives that turning gay can help them with. Someone always gets insulted, i hate it, i might not reply after this because insulting anyone is the last thing i want to do >_<

lol, they're not turning gay, the married men aged 42 with children do not turn gay, they were always gay.

You have not been anywhere near a high school, or a college, or anywhere where people are pressured into things and where people think that being gay can help they're problems *it happens all over the world.*...the married men who were always gay, can carry on doing whatever the heck they want, but i have never heard a gay person or spokesmen say, "this is my orientation, it is not to be experimented with, but born with". Any gay person that says that has my vote.

WTF??? Considering all those stories you hear on the news about gay kids (or kids percieved to be gay by others) commiting suicide due to harassment by their peers, I honestly doubt that anyone could actually think that being gay can solve they're problems. I have no ideea what colleges or high schools you're referring to.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

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radiantshadow92 on 03 May 2010

WTF??? Considering all those stories you hear on the news about gay kids (or kids percieved to be gay by others) commiting suicide due to harassment by their peers, I honestly doubt that anyone could actually think that being gay can solve they're problems. I have no ideea what colleges or high schools you're referring to.

Thats what one would expect. But not all places harass gay people..in some places, gay students are actually seen everywhere, you only hear about suicided because students killing themselves is news, not students having a hard time with their love life, so becoming gay is ok, *mostly lesbians by the way because it is most accepted by society*



sapphi_snake on 03 May 2010
radiantshadow92 said:

WTF??? Considering all those stories you hear on the news about gay kids (or kids percieved to be gay by others) commiting suicide due to harassment by their peers, I honestly doubt that anyone could actually think that being gay can solve they're problems. I have no ideea what colleges or high schools you're referring to.

Thats what one would expect. But not all places harass gay people..in some places, gay students are actually seen everywhere, you only hear about suicided because students killing themselves is news, not students having a hard time with their love life, so becoming gay is ok, *mostly lesbians by the way because it is most accepted by society*

Dude are you talking about that *lesbian 'till graduation* thing? They're not lesbians, bi or whatevet, just attention whores.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

radiantshadow92 on 03 May 2010
sapphi_snake said:
radiantshadow92 said:

WTF??? Considering all those stories you hear on the news about gay kids (or kids percieved to be gay by others) commiting suicide due to harassment by their peers, I honestly doubt that anyone could actually think that being gay can solve they're problems. I have no ideea what colleges or high schools you're referring to.

Thats what one would expect. But not all places harass gay people..in some places, gay students are actually seen everywhere, you only hear about suicided because students killing themselves is news, not students having a hard time with their love life, so becoming gay is ok, *mostly lesbians by the way because it is most accepted by society*

Dude are you talking about that *lesbian 'till graduation* thing? They're not lesbians, bi or whatevet, just attention whores.

Most actually claim to be gay >_<...and its still wrong.



dsister44 on 03 May 2010
pizzahut451 said:

A child NEEDS both male and femal parent. 2 males(or 2 females) are not capable of raising a child. not properly anyways. And while i agree that not getting adopted at all is pretty bad, its not as bad as having 2 fathers/mothers as your parents.

Why do they need a male and female parent? Please tell me one reason... And how is it worse to have gay parents then having one care taker(at an orphanage)?



pearljammer on 03 May 2010
dsister44 said:
pizzahut451 said:

A child NEEDS both male and femal parent. 2 males(or 2 females) are not capable of raising a child. not properly anyways. And while i agree that not getting adopted at all is pretty bad, its not as bad as having 2 fathers/mothers as your parents.

Why do they need a male and female parent? Please tell me one reason... And how is it worse to have gay parents then having one care taker(at an orphanage)?

I think he's being facetious.

...at least I hope he's being facetious. If not, you'd think he'd at least back up his bold claim with some actual research. Otherwise, it's just the typical ignorance often seen posted in threads similar to this.