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bimmylee said:
radiantshadow92 said:

He did not want it to happen, not me, i am not God. Make sure to remember that. My point is that he did not want it to happen, because back then, he saw it as wrong and as a danger to humans on earth. I myself do not believe the bible to word, i believe that God is imperfect, and can make mistakes. So i tolerate gays and their doings, i am no homophobe, gays are human beings, and i would never mistreat one for their love life.

@Bolded:  I must admit that I find this statement to be a bit bizarre. If you believe that God exists, but is not perfect, then is He worth worshipping? Is He worth following? Is He worth trusting? How can you know if/when He has your best interests at heart?

I feel that it's got to be all or nothing. Either there is a God and He is perfect in every way, or there isn't one at all.

lol, yeah everyone i know finds it strange too. But i really believe God learns new things and grows from his mistakes. Even if he is imperfect, to me, he is still worth following. His forgiveness and love is all i need to know. He gave us freedom, and knew his son was going to die for our sins. I also believe he does not know the future.

But he has the best interest at heart for those who follow his word, and trust him. The reason though why i believe this, is because he used to kind of be a dick in the old Testament. He used to kill people left and right, and as i read through it, the bad outweighed the good for me. But then, i realized that maybe he is not perfect. That he learns, Jesus, helping him do that also.

Even though he may not be perfect, he is still the perfect God to me (just not actually perfect if you get what i mean). Now of course, i could be wrong, but i do have a strong feeling about it.



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radiantshadow92 said:
bimmylee said:
radiantshadow92 said:

He did not want it to happen, not me, i am not God. Make sure to remember that. My point is that he did not want it to happen, because back then, he saw it as wrong and as a danger to humans on earth. I myself do not believe the bible to word, i believe that God is imperfect, and can make mistakes. So i tolerate gays and their doings, i am no homophobe, gays are human beings, and i would never mistreat one for their love life.

@Bolded:  I must admit that I find this statement to be a bit bizarre. If you believe that God exists, but is not perfect, then is He worth worshipping? Is He worth following? Is He worth trusting? How can you know if/when He has your best interests at heart?

I feel that it's got to be all or nothing. Either there is a God and He is perfect in every way, or there isn't one at all.

lol, yeah everyone i know finds it strange too. But i really believe God learns new things and grows from his mistakes. Even if he is imperfect, to me, he is still worth following. His forgiveness and love is all i need to know. He gave us freedom, and knew his son was going to die for our sins. I also believe he does not know the future.

But he has the best interest at heart for those who follow his word, and trust him. The reason though why i believe this, is because he used to kind of be a dick in the old Testament. He used to kill people left and right, and as i read through it, the bad outweighed the good for me. But then, i realized that maybe he is not perfect. That he learns, Jesus, helping him do that also.

Even though he may not be perfect, he is still the perfect God to me (just not actually perfect if you get what i mean). Now of course, i could be wrong, but i do have a strong feeling about it.

That's a very interesting point of view.  When the topic of evil deeds performed by God in the Old Testament comes up, the non-religious point to bad deeds as proof that God is a human creation while the religous make an excuse for God's actions, then theres you in the middle with your own view.



Do people choose to be ignorant, or does it just happen? I think that's the real question this thread needs to be addressing. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go continue weeping for humanity.



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radiantshadow92 said:
bimmylee said:
radiantshadow92 said:

He did not want it to happen, not me, i am not God. Make sure to remember that. My point is that he did not want it to happen, because back then, he saw it as wrong and as a danger to humans on earth. I myself do not believe the bible to word, i believe that God is imperfect, and can make mistakes. So i tolerate gays and their doings, i am no homophobe, gays are human beings, and i would never mistreat one for their love life.

@Bolded:  I must admit that I find this statement to be a bit bizarre. If you believe that God exists, but is not perfect, then is He worth worshipping? Is He worth following? Is He worth trusting? How can you know if/when He has your best interests at heart?

I feel that it's got to be all or nothing. Either there is a God and He is perfect in every way, or there isn't one at all.

lol, yeah everyone i know finds it strange too. But i really believe God learns new things and grows from his mistakes. Even if he is imperfect, to me, he is still worth following. His forgiveness and love is all i need to know. He gave us freedom, and knew his son was going to die for our sins. I also believe he does not know the future.

But he has the best interest at heart for those who follow his word, and trust him. The reason though why i believe this, is because he used to kind of be a dick in the old Testament. He used to kill people left and right, and as i read through it, the bad outweighed the good for me. But then, i realized that maybe he is not perfect. That he learns, Jesus, helping him do that also.

Even though he may not be perfect, he is still the perfect God to me (just not actually perfect if you get what i mean). Now of course, i could be wrong, but i do have a strong feeling about it.

"As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is flawless. He is a shield for all who take refuge in him." - 2 Samuel 22:31

I think this verse causes a major problem for you. God's own Word declares His complete perfection. Would you suggest that God's Word is lying about Him? If so, why follow the Bible if it is directly lying to us? Couldn't it be full of lies and deception everywhere else, if that is the case?

Also consider: "...for God is greater than our heart and knows all things." - 1 John 3:18 ("All things" would include knowing the future.)

I don't believe that the God you are describing is at all consistent with the God of Christianity. You may have a personal opinion about God's dealings with man in the Old Testament, but that doesn't mean that there weren't reasons for God's actions. If you want to know why God did what He did in the Old Testament, I might suggest doing a bit of research instead of making assumptions based on your initial emotional reactions. Without the infallibility of God and His Word, everything about Christianity deteriorates into absurdity.



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bimmylee said:
radiantshadow92 said:
bimmylee said:
radiantshadow92 said:

He did not want it to happen, not me, i am not God. Make sure to remember that. My point is that he did not want it to happen, because back then, he saw it as wrong and as a danger to humans on earth. I myself do not believe the bible to word, i believe that God is imperfect, and can make mistakes. So i tolerate gays and their doings, i am no homophobe, gays are human beings, and i would never mistreat one for their love life.

@Bolded:  I must admit that I find this statement to be a bit bizarre. If you believe that God exists, but is not perfect, then is He worth worshipping? Is He worth following? Is He worth trusting? How can you know if/when He has your best interests at heart?

I feel that it's got to be all or nothing. Either there is a God and He is perfect in every way, or there isn't one at all.

lol, yeah everyone i know finds it strange too. But i really believe God learns new things and grows from his mistakes. Even if he is imperfect, to me, he is still worth following. His forgiveness and love is all i need to know. He gave us freedom, and knew his son was going to die for our sins. I also believe he does not know the future.

But he has the best interest at heart for those who follow his word, and trust him. The reason though why i believe this, is because he used to kind of be a dick in the old Testament. He used to kill people left and right, and as i read through it, the bad outweighed the good for me. But then, i realized that maybe he is not perfect. That he learns, Jesus, helping him do that also.

Even though he may not be perfect, he is still the perfect God to me (just not actually perfect if you get what i mean). Now of course, i could be wrong, but i do have a strong feeling about it.

"As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is flawless. He is a shield for all who take refuge in him." - 2 Samuel 22:31

I think this verse causes a major problem for you. God's own Word declares His complete perfection. Would you suggest that God's Word is lying about Him? If so, why follow the Bible if it is directly lying to us? Couldn't it be full of lies and deception everywhere else, if that is the case?

Also consider: "...for God is greater than our heart and knows all things." - 1 John 3:18 ("All things" would include knowing the future.)

I don't believe that the God you are describing is at all consistent with the God of Christianity. You may have a personal opinion about God's dealings with man in the Old Testament, but that doesn't mean that there weren't reasons for God's actions. If you want to know why God did what He did in the Old Testament, I might suggest doing a bit of research instead of making assumptions based on your initial emotional reactions. Without the infallibility of God and His Word, everything about Christianity deteriorates into absurdity.

Before, i just said that i do not trust the letter to the word. No matter what, we know the bible was written by man. There is no way in hell, that the bible we read today is the same exact bible God wanted us to read back then. Even if he lies to us, what if we never realized it? then would it matter if he lied to us? just because we realize it, it does not make his love or forgiveness any less than what it was before. You sound like i am just a 10 year old looking for some reason for why my God does bad things. I am not, there is no emotion, i can accept that my God does not exist for your information. Its just that, i still believe, and will always believe, that even if he is not real, if the world were to follow his sons word, then we would turn out great. There is nothing absurd about wanting a heaven when you die, people need it.



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radiantshadow92 said:
zexen_lowe said:
radiantshadow92 said:
PhoenixKing said:

1.)"No religion accepts us as the person we know ourselves to be. Rather, we are told that we are inadequate, unsatisfactory and helpless. We fear that this is so, and to give us hope 2.)we construct a fantasy about how we are superior to those who do not share our views.3.)On these grounds we feel entitled to force our views on non-believers."

Also, why are many religions against homosexuality?

http://www.vatican.va/various/cappelle/sistina_vr/index.html

4.Those images in the back are full of naked men and women casually acknowledging each other. This is a religious symbol in a very well-known chapel and it's full of homosexual images made many years before any of us were even born. So why is homosexuality unacceptable to some of the more narrow-minded religious followers?

1. There are tons of religions who accept us the way we are. Christianity being one of them. It is just that when someone does something wrong, they must be consulted. Countless of religions do not make you helpless, rather more confident.

 

2. It is not how they are superior, rather they wish for more to join their cause. I have never heard anyone in my religion say, i am better than you because i am Christian. If it does happen, it is because the person is a duche'. Not the religion. 

 

3. Again its the people. Not the religion.

 

 

4. At the time, that is what was popular in art. And it's not like the guy painted it to mean "hey its gay". 

 

The reason why its unacceptable to most is because the bible says so. The followers of Christianity simply take this to their death. Too add, homosexuality wants to be accepted in marriage when Christians feel it is their ritual. In marriage, a bible is read. It is normal to see how Christians can be angered.

Imo i do not think anyone should be homosexual. People say fuck it, leave them alone. But, what if the whole world was homosexual? We would cease to exist. Even if God was not real, if mankind follows his word, they would turn out perfectly fine. His laws are all good and mean well. Scientifically it is just not right for human beings to be gay. Some say you cannot lie to love. But what if we begin to love animals that way. Why can't an animal and a human be married? Why is it cruel? Because if we all did it, we would all be dead. IMO God simply did not want this to happen.

Something to Remember: This is my opinion and it does not mean i am an asshole or whatever (I get that alot). I have never treated any homosexual any differently than i do Straights, because i know its not my place to try and judge them. And just incase you did not get this, i am Christian >_<

 

 

Nevermind the fact that you're forgetting that homosexuality is just caused by some genetical and hormonal causes, much like, for example in the genetics case, blond hair or height or whatever you want. Therefore it's impossible for all the world to be gay since it's just not gonna happen naturally, gay people will continue to exist and be born, and straight people the same, and same with bi, and straights won't magically become gays or bi simply because they can't, and viceversa. Why in the world would we need to picture such world that's totally impossible to happen? Why don't we picture a world where everyone is a woman, or one where everyone is impotent, or one where everyone is missing one leg? Because it's idiotic to do so, then why imagine a world where everyone is gay? Your argument is totally pointless. Scientifically it's as right for a human to be gay as it is for a human to be blond or whatever trait you might want to come up with

Yes, some are caused by genetics, but imo not even half of them. If what you say is true, then all gay people should be born gay. it is not that way in the world. There are tons of people that will go from straight to gay to bi back to straight in a month, and its pathetic. I dont imagine this world, but what i believe is that God imagined it. And he did not want it. Just like having sex before marriage, God did not want sex to become a thing a pleasure, rather a form to give birth. Those things that you said about everyone one being women, or with one leg, are impossible. Because men and people with 2 legs exist (people having one leg would not be so bad anyways). Gays continue to grow, and i only use that to state why i do not beleive in it. Scientifically, it is not. The human body is MEAN'T to have an opposite sex to offspring, it could take centuries before humans adapt to the point where we are able to live otherwise. 

"Yes, some are caused by genetics, but imo not even half of them."

How exactly would you come to that conclusion? It's an insult frankly.



 

Seece said:
radiantshadow92 said:
zexen_lowe said:
radiantshadow92 said:
PhoenixKing said:

1.)"No religion accepts us as the person we know ourselves to be. Rather, we are told that we are inadequate, unsatisfactory and helpless. We fear that this is so, and to give us hope 2.)we construct a fantasy about how we are superior to those who do not share our views.3.)On these grounds we feel entitled to force our views on non-believers."

Also, why are many religions against homosexuality?

http://www.vatican.va/various/cappelle/sistina_vr/index.html

4.Those images in the back are full of naked men and women casually acknowledging each other. This is a religious symbol in a very well-known chapel and it's full of homosexual images made many years before any of us were even born. So why is homosexuality unacceptable to some of the more narrow-minded religious followers?

1. There are tons of religions who accept us the way we are. Christianity being one of them. It is just that when someone does something wrong, they must be consulted. Countless of religions do not make you helpless, rather more confident.

 

2. It is not how they are superior, rather they wish for more to join their cause. I have never heard anyone in my religion say, i am better than you because i am Christian. If it does happen, it is because the person is a duche'. Not the religion. 

 

3. Again its the people. Not the religion.

 

 

4. At the time, that is what was popular in art. And it's not like the guy painted it to mean "hey its gay". 

 

The reason why its unacceptable to most is because the bible says so. The followers of Christianity simply take this to their death. Too add, homosexuality wants to be accepted in marriage when Christians feel it is their ritual. In marriage, a bible is read. It is normal to see how Christians can be angered.

Imo i do not think anyone should be homosexual. People say fuck it, leave them alone. But, what if the whole world was homosexual? We would cease to exist. Even if God was not real, if mankind follows his word, they would turn out perfectly fine. His laws are all good and mean well. Scientifically it is just not right for human beings to be gay. Some say you cannot lie to love. But what if we begin to love animals that way. Why can't an animal and a human be married? Why is it cruel? Because if we all did it, we would all be dead. IMO God simply did not want this to happen.

Something to Remember: This is my opinion and it does not mean i am an asshole or whatever (I get that alot). I have never treated any homosexual any differently than i do Straights, because i know its not my place to try and judge them. And just incase you did not get this, i am Christian >_<

 

 

Nevermind the fact that you're forgetting that homosexuality is just caused by some genetical and hormonal causes, much like, for example in the genetics case, blond hair or height or whatever you want. Therefore it's impossible for all the world to be gay since it's just not gonna happen naturally, gay people will continue to exist and be born, and straight people the same, and same with bi, and straights won't magically become gays or bi simply because they can't, and viceversa. Why in the world would we need to picture such world that's totally impossible to happen? Why don't we picture a world where everyone is a woman, or one where everyone is impotent, or one where everyone is missing one leg? Because it's idiotic to do so, then why imagine a world where everyone is gay? Your argument is totally pointless. Scientifically it's as right for a human to be gay as it is for a human to be blond or whatever trait you might want to come up with

Yes, some are caused by genetics, but imo not even half of them. If what you say is true, then all gay people should be born gay. it is not that way in the world. There are tons of people that will go from straight to gay to bi back to straight in a month, and its pathetic. I dont imagine this world, but what i believe is that God imagined it. And he did not want it. Just like having sex before marriage, God did not want sex to become a thing a pleasure, rather a form to give birth. Those things that you said about everyone one being women, or with one leg, are impossible. Because men and people with 2 legs exist (people having one leg would not be so bad anyways). Gays continue to grow, and i only use that to state why i do not beleive in it. Scientifically, it is not. The human body is MEAN'T to have an opposite sex to offspring, it could take centuries before humans adapt to the point where we are able to live otherwise. 

"Yes, some are caused by genetics, but imo not even half of them."

How exactly would you come to that conclusion? It's an insult frankly.

what i mean't by that is that people are born gay *i do not actually know if it involves genetics, i mean't born gay*...but i am saying that most gays are now simply changing from straight, and i do not think it is right for someone to "turn" gay just because of some confusions they might have in their lives that turning gay can help them with. Someone always gets insulted, i hate it, i might not reply after this because insulting anyone is the last thing i want to do >_<



radiantshadow92 said:
Seece said:
radiantshadow92 said:
zexen_lowe said:
radiantshadow92 said:
PhoenixKing said:

1.)"No religion accepts us as the person we know ourselves to be. Rather, we are told that we are inadequate, unsatisfactory and helpless. We fear that this is so, and to give us hope 2.)we construct a fantasy about how we are superior to those who do not share our views.3.)On these grounds we feel entitled to force our views on non-believers."

Also, why are many religions against homosexuality?

http://www.vatican.va/various/cappelle/sistina_vr/index.html

4.Those images in the back are full of naked men and women casually acknowledging each other. This is a religious symbol in a very well-known chapel and it's full of homosexual images made many years before any of us were even born. So why is homosexuality unacceptable to some of the more narrow-minded religious followers?

1. There are tons of religions who accept us the way we are. Christianity being one of them. It is just that when someone does something wrong, they must be consulted. Countless of religions do not make you helpless, rather more confident.

 

2. It is not how they are superior, rather they wish for more to join their cause. I have never heard anyone in my religion say, i am better than you because i am Christian. If it does happen, it is because the person is a duche'. Not the religion. 

 

3. Again its the people. Not the religion.

 

 

4. At the time, that is what was popular in art. And it's not like the guy painted it to mean "hey its gay". 

 

The reason why its unacceptable to most is because the bible says so. The followers of Christianity simply take this to their death. Too add, homosexuality wants to be accepted in marriage when Christians feel it is their ritual. In marriage, a bible is read. It is normal to see how Christians can be angered.

Imo i do not think anyone should be homosexual. People say fuck it, leave them alone. But, what if the whole world was homosexual? We would cease to exist. Even if God was not real, if mankind follows his word, they would turn out perfectly fine. His laws are all good and mean well. Scientifically it is just not right for human beings to be gay. Some say you cannot lie to love. But what if we begin to love animals that way. Why can't an animal and a human be married? Why is it cruel? Because if we all did it, we would all be dead. IMO God simply did not want this to happen.

Something to Remember: This is my opinion and it does not mean i am an asshole or whatever (I get that alot). I have never treated any homosexual any differently than i do Straights, because i know its not my place to try and judge them. And just incase you did not get this, i am Christian >_<

 

 

Nevermind the fact that you're forgetting that homosexuality is just caused by some genetical and hormonal causes, much like, for example in the genetics case, blond hair or height or whatever you want. Therefore it's impossible for all the world to be gay since it's just not gonna happen naturally, gay people will continue to exist and be born, and straight people the same, and same with bi, and straights won't magically become gays or bi simply because they can't, and viceversa. Why in the world would we need to picture such world that's totally impossible to happen? Why don't we picture a world where everyone is a woman, or one where everyone is impotent, or one where everyone is missing one leg? Because it's idiotic to do so, then why imagine a world where everyone is gay? Your argument is totally pointless. Scientifically it's as right for a human to be gay as it is for a human to be blond or whatever trait you might want to come up with

Yes, some are caused by genetics, but imo not even half of them. If what you say is true, then all gay people should be born gay. it is not that way in the world. There are tons of people that will go from straight to gay to bi back to straight in a month, and its pathetic. I dont imagine this world, but what i believe is that God imagined it. And he did not want it. Just like having sex before marriage, God did not want sex to become a thing a pleasure, rather a form to give birth. Those things that you said about everyone one being women, or with one leg, are impossible. Because men and people with 2 legs exist (people having one leg would not be so bad anyways). Gays continue to grow, and i only use that to state why i do not beleive in it. Scientifically, it is not. The human body is MEAN'T to have an opposite sex to offspring, it could take centuries before humans adapt to the point where we are able to live otherwise. 

"Yes, some are caused by genetics, but imo not even half of them."

How exactly would you come to that conclusion? It's an insult frankly.

what i mean't by that is that people are born gay *i do not actually know if it involves genetics, i mean't born gay*...but i am saying that most gays are now simply changing from straight, and i do not think it is right for someone to "turn" gay just because of some confusions they might have in their lives that turning gay can help them with. Someone always gets insulted, i hate it, i might not reply after this because insulting anyone is the last thing i want to do >_<

lol, they're not turning gay, the married men aged 42 with children do not turn gay, they were always gay.



 

dunno001 said:
pizzahut451 said:
RockSmith372 said:
Since I am an agnostic, I have nothing against gays. I think gays should have the same opportunities as any other couple. It would empty many orphanages because all gay couples would have to adopt. Seriously, it would work out so well.

please tell me you are joking. a child having 2 fathers and no mother would be the worst thing ever to happen to the child.

Not true. While I don't agree in how easily it would empty the orphanages, as has been modified in a later post by RockSmith, it would be a step in the right direction. The worst thing for the child is to be left, unwanted, in an overburdened system, with no network of support for when they turn 18 and are kicked out of said system. These children aren't going to know what it's like to be in a loving family. They can't suddenly afford to live on their own, so they become a burden on another system, further creating a need for them to be dependant, rather than an individual. Whereas, say, an 8 year old gets adopted into a caring family with 2 fathers (or 2 mothers), then the child can see what love truely is like, and have a support to fall back on should shit hit the fan later. And when that awkward time comes, there's someone they can speak with. The only detriment I could see from this is some extra teasing from some kids at school, but if anything, it would make the kid come out stronger, and realize who his true friends are.

A child NEEDS both male and femal parent. 2 males(or 2 females) are not capable of raising a child. not properly anyways. And while i agree that not getting adopted at all is pretty bad, its not as bad as having 2 fathers/mothers as your parents.



pizzahut451 said:
dunno001 said:
pizzahut451 said:
RockSmith372 said:
Since I am an agnostic, I have nothing against gays. I think gays should have the same opportunities as any other couple. It would empty many orphanages because all gay couples would have to adopt. Seriously, it would work out so well.

please tell me you are joking. a child having 2 fathers and no mother would be the worst thing ever to happen to the child.

Not true. While I don't agree in how easily it would empty the orphanages, as has been modified in a later post by RockSmith, it would be a step in the right direction. The worst thing for the child is to be left, unwanted, in an overburdened system, with no network of support for when they turn 18 and are kicked out of said system. These children aren't going to know what it's like to be in a loving family. They can't suddenly afford to live on their own, so they become a burden on another system, further creating a need for them to be dependant, rather than an individual. Whereas, say, an 8 year old gets adopted into a caring family with 2 fathers (or 2 mothers), then the child can see what love truely is like, and have a support to fall back on should shit hit the fan later. And when that awkward time comes, there's someone they can speak with. The only detriment I could see from this is some extra teasing from some kids at school, but if anything, it would make the kid come out stronger, and realize who his true friends are.

A child NEEDS both male and femal parent. 2 males(or 2 females) are not capable of raising a child. not properly anyways. And while i agree that not getting adopted at all is pretty bad, its not as bad as having 2 fathers/mothers as your parents.

Dunno please don't rise to this nonsense. Report and ignore