i know some force of the unnone made the universe possible. but im getting further away from religion? evolution spawns creation. i don't even think there are gods. im starting to beleive this was all a mistake?
Seece said:
I know I should take my own advice, but I'll reply to you civally.
I know 2 lots of gay parents, male and female. Both the children were boys, both have had a loving childhood, they were rarely bullied about it, and they turned out like a normal people.and i know a child that has been brought back to the orphanage because its parents were same sex...so? I don't understand your need (other than being anti gay, don't denie itWTF is anti gay?) to put across how it's IMPOSSIBLE, for gay parents to be good parents because I've seen 2 examples of the opposite, and none proving you right. because the child needs male and female parent "the entire world" are you kidding? that's a massive overstatement, I know that all of the girls I work with at work agree gay adoption is fine, and a handful of other (straight) people that agree with it. It's just your view on the matter and possibly the area you live in, where I can't say "the whole world agree's with gay adoption" I know there is nowhere near half of the people I know that disagree with it, and the vast majority of my friends are straight males, heck just look at VGChartz, it's full of very straight pro gay people and few anti gays.and lets look at the eastern side of the world...Russia(gay pride parades always end up with lot of protest, watch it on youtube),India,Middle East, East Europe,(same as russia) Africa, South America(very christian religious continent) and some other small parts of Asia...in fact almost entire planet(about 70% of world population) except some western nations and Australia doesnt support gay marrige and sure as hell doesnt support gay people adopting children.i am not saying the world hates gays, just that they are not excepted everywhere yet. at least not when it comes to adoptng children You're just spreading hate, and that isn't tolerated here. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion within reason, you're not giving any reason why gay parents are bad, just that they are. You're anti gay and you're just spreading hate trying to get on people's nerves.im sorry, i tought i didnt have to put a proof, i tought that was obvious...but how about a fact that kid its gonna get bullied A LOT at school which will make the kid insecure, scared and ashamed, and probably wont have any friends.ESPECIALLY if the chiled lives in some eastern country. That was the reson on top of my head. sure, there are some children that would be fine with having 2 parents of the same sex, but most of them wouldnt. Do you know how many people KILLED THEMSELVES because the harassment they recived because of their sexuality?????????? of course, in this case, the consequnces wouldnt go that far, but it would be still pretty bad. I learnt to not let ignorant views like this rile me up a long time ago, I am interested in your response as to how gay/lesbian adoption shouldn't be allowed though. Only if it isn't old fashioned of course ... |
pizzahut451 said:
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People that killed themselves because of their sexuality are usually gay people, not children of gay parents. And at the end of the day kids will get picked on for a variety of reasons. I got picked on because I wore glasses and I wasn't overtly outgoing and aggressive. Most kids are stupid and schools do nothing to protect kids for harassment. Harassing someone for whatever reason is wrong. You yourself are perpertuating the whole blame the victim mentality. Gay people adopting kids isn't the problem. It's people who harass those poor kids who are the problem.
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pizzahut451 said:
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pizzahut451 said:
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*sighs* I hadn't planned on coming back to reply to this thread, but your ignorance is really starting to piss me off. So I'll just go in paragraph order as to not need to use colors:
1. Was said child really brought back for the same reason? If this were the problem, why was the child even allowed to leave the orphanage? I think there was a different reason underneath, one you know, yet are deciding to obscure, as it goes counter to your point.
2. Well, anti-gay is something that describes you quite well on this stance. It means that you do not think that gay people should have the same rights as everyone else. By saying that a gay couple can't adopt for that reason, it shows a hatred, a bigotry, toward them for no valid reason. And you keep spewing the same crap about how a child needs a male AND a female parent. As things stand, right now, that is only true for biological bringing into existance. What if the father dies while the mother is pregnant, and is raised with only a mother? Or say the mother dies giving birth, to be raised by only a father. According to you, these are also just as big of problems. I guess, to put it in a way you might understand, the child is being raised with one "parent" and another adult in the household which just also happens to have the same equipment as the first "parent." If this is wrong, then what do you propose we do about all the children in single-parent homes, since that must be wrong too?
3. The protests in Russia are nothing, really- it's a step that many civilized countries go through in approaching acceptance. And everything else you're painting with a very broad brush, to again, try to hide inaccuracies that disprove your theory. Africa? Gay couples have plenty of rights in South Africa. South America? I think we have a few members here who can talk better about that than I, but there are quite a few areas where people won't bat an eye at you for being gay. No, gays are not accepted everywhere, and as long as people like you remain, we never will be. Going back to Russia, those gay parades are an attempt to show that yes, we are normal people, not deserving such discrimination and hatred.
4. Obvious? Too many things skew what a person sees as "obvious." To an atheist, it is "obvious" there is no god. Whereas to a Christian, it's "obvious" that Jesus died for our sins. But these contradict each other; how can they be "obvious"? From my view, what you say isn't obvious at all, it's, as has been stated by others, hate mongering. If it's so "obvious", you should be able to be able to give factual proof of why. Yet all you're giving us is the same spewed crap with no basis in reality. I knew children of gay parents when I was in school, and I had no problem with this. (Before you try to bring up my current situation, I did not know about myself at the time.) And there are some schools where the word "gay" is slung around like an insult, but if you really are, people aren't bothered by it, and in fact, some even stop using it as such.
Then you go into deaths. There are some gay teens who commit suicide from the stigmata in less-civilized areas of being gay. But with the exception of a couple of asinine countries, being a child with gay parents means nothing. These children are not discriminated against, even in the areas that you cite. After all, if an area is that unaccepting, suffice it to say that the parents also know this, and may actually try to help shield their child from the hatred. Are they concerned the child might get bullied, like you say happens? They might choose to have only 1 parent go to school to deal with the kid. And this again, brings us back to your flawed assumption that a child needs a parent of each gender...
-dunno001
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sapphi_snake said:
People that killed themselves because of their sexuality are usually gay people, not children of gay parents. And at the end of the day kids will get picked on for a variety of reasons. I got picked on because I wore glasses and I wasn't overtly outgoing and aggressive. Most kids are stupid and schools do nothing to protect kids for harassment. Harassing someone for whatever reason is wrong. You yourself are perpertuating the whole blame the victim mentality. Gay people adopting kids isn't the problem. It's people who harass those poor kids who are the problem. |
read the last sentence of my post. i didnt said a child would kill himself but i am pretty sure he would feel pretty bad at school and that would ruin his social life (in school at least)
Rath said:
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pizzahut451 said:
read the last sentence of my post. i didnt said a child would kill himself but i am pretty sure he would feel pretty bad at school and that would ruin his social life (in school at least) |
I think Rath did a pretty good job at pointing out the flaw in your argument.
"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"
"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."
(The Voice of a Generation and Seece)
"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"
(pizzahut451)
dunno001 said:
*sighs* I hadn't planned on coming back to reply to this thread, but your ignorance is really starting to piss me off. So I'll just go in paragraph order as to not need to use colors: 1. Was said child really brought back for the same reason? If this were the problem, why was the child even allowed to leave the orphanage? I think there was a different reason underneath, one you know, yet are deciding to obscure, as it goes counter to your point.i dont know the specific details. all i know it was brought back 2. Well, anti-gay is something that describes you quite well on this stance. It means that you do not think that gay people should have the same rights as everyone else. By saying that a gay couple can't adopt for that reason, it shows a hatred, a bigotry, toward them for no valid reasonoh, so i think gays shouldnt be allowed to adopt children and i am anit gay right away??? if you cant accept people's opinnions than dont go on forums. And you keep spewing the same crap about how a child needs a male AND a female parent. As things stand, right now, that is only true for biological bringing into existance. What if the father dies while the mother is pregnant, and is raised with only a mother?the child would still miss a father dont you think??? Or say the mother dies giving birth, to be raised by only a father. According to you, these are also just as big of problems.yes they are both big problmes but they are diffrent I guess, to put it in a way you might understand, the child is being raised with one "parent" and another adult in the household which just also happens to have the same equipment as the first "parent." If this is wrong, then what do you propose we do about all the children in single-parent homes, since that must be wrong too? 3. The protests in Russia are nothing, really- it's a step that many civilized countries go through in approaching acceptance. And everything else you're painting with a very broad brush, to again, try to hide inaccuracies that disprove your theoryi used the word ''protest'' because i didnt want to look like hater or something like that. things that happen on gay pride parades in russia are MUCH WORSE than protest. go llok it up on youtube.. Africa? Gay couples have plenty of rights in South Africa.and the rest of the Africa? yes the situation is a bit diffrent there. especially in north-easter africa South America? I think we have a few members here who can talk better about that than I, but there are quite a few areas where people won't bat an eye at you for being gay. ''a few areas'' being the key word here. And wha about Middle East??? Cant counter anything here, can you?? No, gays are not accepted everywhere, and as long as people like you remain, we never will be. Going back to Russia, those gay parades are an attempt to show that yes, we are normal people, not deserving such discrimination and hatred.please explain me how am i hating on any people here??? ITS MY FUCKING OPINNION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 4. Obvious? Too many things skew what a person sees as "obvious." To an atheist, it is "obvious" there is no god. Whereas to a Christian, it's "obvious" that Jesus died for our sins. But these contradict each other; how can they be "obvious"? From my view, what you say isn't obvious at all, it's, as has been stated by others, hate mongering. If it's so "obvious", you should be able to be able to give factual proof of why. Yet all you're giving us is the same spewed crap with no basis in reality. I knew children of gay parents when I was in school, and I had no problem with this. (Before you try to bring up my current situation, I did not know about myself at the time.so? what diffrence does that make? you were still gay from very beginning. gay people dont mind gay parents) And there are some schools where the word "gay"fag/(fixed that for you) is slung around like an insult, but if you really are, people aren't bothered by it, and in fact, some even stop using it as such. Then you go into deaths. There are some gay teens who commit suicide from the stigmata in less-civilized areas of being gay.America is that country? But with the exception of a couple of asinine countries, being a child with gay parents means nothing. These children are not discriminated against, even in the areas that you cite. After all, if an area is that unaccepting, suffice it to say that the parents also know this, and may actually try to help shield their child from the hatred. Are they concerned the child might get bullied, like you say happens? They might choose to have only 1 parent go to school to deal with the kid. And this again, brings us back to your flawed assumption that a child needs a parent of each gender... |
You know what,dunno001? I dont like the publicity im getting in this thread, so we're gonna have to agree to disagree, because im not argueing on this topic anymore.You think gays should be allowed to adopt, i think otherwise.the end
My opinnion is in a BIG MAJORITY anyways, and thats all that matters to me...
sapphi_snake said:
I think Rath did a pretty good job at pointing out the flaw in your argument. |
HIGH FIVE !!!!!!!!!!!
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