beleaf?

Seriously, there is something wrong here. Why do you think Microsoft and Sony are using peripherals for their gaming? To gather casuals would be the wisest guess, because the hardcore is their main base. Nintendo has all the casuals. The peripherals are going to be supported by the hardcore though.

topice?

OT: Both companies are trying to break into the casual gamers market that Ninty has dominated, they want their slice of the pie.  I like the fact that Natal is just the one device and don't have to hold anything.  Your body is the controller, however without buttons, I am not sure how most games will work, unless you have body motions instead of a button press.  

There was an ad for some "gaming glove" where you just touch fingers together to simulate a keystroke on this site, wish I bookmarked the page, cool idea, if Natal had something like that, I think that might work (without the glove of course) not sure how precise the tracking for Natal is, but if I could fire a gun just by moving a finger (simulating a trigger pull) that would be cool. (It may already do that, I'm not really following the whole Natal/Move thing yet, waiting for E3)

I think Move has the right idea, though it is a ripoff of a wiimote...  I think people who play shooters on the PS3 will be at a huge disadvantage to people who use move to play them vs the remote..  Be kind of like a PC gamer playing a PS3 gamer in a shooter, able to get a bead on someone a split second faster means the difference between life and death.  

I will be buying Move if the games it supports are games I want to play/will give me an advantage. :)

Natal will be a buy as well, if they show something better than Ricochet. :)

kind of like the sixth sense tech, without the glove
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLEEiQZOYDs

Found the ad again, here is the link..

http://theperegrine.com/ 

Thinking of getting it just to play HoN.. maybe then I can beat the Koreans...  

(probably not though)

ok so its belief? big deal!