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greenmedic88 on 25 April 2010
Squilliam said:
greenmedic88 said:
Squilliam said:
FantasySky said:
lol we none this for ages. thats why microsoft dont want 3d on xbox. cos xbox absalutly hates 1080p so it would be even harder to make 3d

Actually the Xbox 360 could do 3D even better than the PS3 could except for the fact it doesn't have HDMI 1.3 which is easily fixable with a hardware revision. The big issue is the legacy of all the Xbox 360s which will be incapable. I guess its a good reason to go out and get the slim eh?

I don't think MS can change hardware specs just like that. It would be as bad or worse than suddenly approving the release of games that required an HDD to play.

Worse from the standpoint that it tells consumers if you want to play this, buy a new Xbox. We've seen a lot of console add ons over the year, but no mid-cycle changes that actually required the consumer to replace the console itself.

 

Its a minor standard. They could do it, but they won't likely do it as they cannot justify the software costs to third parties. Its not changing a spec, its just accepting a higher standard. Its no more different in a practical sense to them upgrading the wireless adapter to the N specification. I don't believe they are going to do it, but with Natal and keeping the system on the market longer I'd say they would have at least thought about it.

After weighing the benefits, MS would have ruled it out simply because introducing any sort of new feature that requires consumers to buy a new console, repeat: BUY A NEW CONSOLE is not something you can do with console platforms.

That would be a big middle finger to the 40 million consumers who currently have an Xbox 360. As in on par with making Natal compatible ONLY with brand new Xbox 360s. If you're going to pull a PR disaster move like that, you may as well market your console as an entirely new platform, even if it's something really stupid like "Xbox 360.5"



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disolitude on 25 April 2010
I Squilliam said:
disolitude said:

I am not going to comment on PS3 3D quality as it remains to be seen what it looks like and what games get supported (my guess is not many)...

I will say that if you want be part of the 3D craze you have 2 options.

PS3 - 299 bucks
50 inch 3DTV - 3000 bucks
Glasses + games (if you can even find any games you want to play) - 200 bucks + content

OR

Decent computer - 1000 bucks
Nvidia GTX470 SLI - 700 bucks
Mitsubishi 60 inch 120 hz DLP TV or 3 24 inch 3D monitors (surround 3D) - 1200
Nvidia 3D vision glasses (over 400 supported games) - 200 + content

Both will play 3D games, both will play 3D blurays. But my guess tells me that one is going to be much supoerior to the other.

I adjusted your numbers for accuracy and err um relevance to a normal effective budget. You're not gonna stick a pair of GTX4xx cards into a $50 case!

I dont think I agree with this. I did lots of research and you can find a decent tower case with proper cooling for 100 bucks. Sure it won't be Antec but it will still do the job.

So you have case ~100

Power supply 100 bucks

mobo + basic Athlon quad core CPU - 250 (you really don't need I7)

Ram 4GB -70 bucks

I guess Wondows 7 is 100 bucks too...so like 650-700 bucks is more than enough to make a 3D capable machine...sans videocards, which I listed separatly.



gurglesletch on 25 April 2010
mirgro said:
raygun said:
This is from Gizmodo, they are always anti Sony, trying to stir up crap. And this has been posted before in more detail. The quick fix on old games will require lower rez (WipeoutHD), yet some old games were tweaked easily to be 3d AND 1080 AND 120hz (60hz per eye) like StardustHD3D, and it came out in 2007! New games will be designed with 3d in the graphics engine, and one estimate I read was 3% extra computing time if they do it in a spu. Your not doubling the computation time, most of the calculating is done, textures loaded, physics, your just drawing the screen again at a different horizontal viewpoint. Relax, the games will look great, 3d is not just doubling your viewing pleasure, it's cubing it, and movies and nature documentaries in full 1080 3d will be amazing.

Why do people keep assuming the output is halved? Maybe I missed something but no one has mentioned halved at all. I am also well aware of just how this technology works, and while youd don't have to re-calculate the AI, physics, etc. You still have to draw all the polygons and shaders and other such stuff. As I mentioned before, games on the PS3 are already sliding by at 720p with barely reaching 60 FPS, if at all. Now add the fact that you have to draw the screen twice as fast, and imagine what will happen. Your Killzone 2, GoW3, etc. will never be in 3D this generation unless they slash the fidelity.

I hate to tell you but a lot of ps3 games run at under 720p.




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steverhcp02 on 25 April 2010

disolitude....the Samsung 50 inch 7000 series plasma is already $1800 on amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PN50C7000-50-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B0036WT3YS/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1272211386&sr=8-8

Lets remember, its April, these were only just announced in january and theres really no competition yet with Bestbuy locking up the Panny exclusively for a bit.....prices wont be as scary as everyones trying to say.




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disolitude on 25 April 2010
steverhcp02 said:
disolitude....the Samsung 50 inch 7000 series plasma is already $1800 on amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PN50C7000-50-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B0036WT3YS/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1272211386&sr=8-8

Lets remember, its April, these were only just announced in january and theres really no competition yet with Bestbuy locking up the Panny exclusively for a bit.....prices wont be as scary as everyones trying to say.

Damn that is a great price... I will keep this on my radar.  I read that apparently the burning phosphorus in the plasma TVs gives it quite bad ghosting when it comes to 3D. But if these are as good as those LCD's that sell for 3000 bucks, it may be worth getting.

Edit - Holy crap, these TVs support every 3D format available. Straight from the manual:

3D Mode Operation

2D → 3D Changes a 2D image to 3D.

Side by Side
Displays two images next to
each other.

Top & Bottom
Displays one image above
another.

Line by Line
Displays the images for the left
and right eye alternately in rows.

Vertical Stripe
Displays the images for the
left and right eye alternately in
columns.

Checker
Board
Displays the images for the
left and right eye alternately in
pixels.

Frequency
Displays the images for the
left and right eye alternately in
frames.

Samsung really has their shit together...



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tuoyo on 25 April 2010

Lol it has to be downgraded when on the 3DS it is full 1080p with no downgrading and it cost a fraction of the PS3.



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Solid_Snake4RD on 25 April 2010
joeorc said:
zarx said:
joeorc said:
please read this:


Sony Talks 3D Firmware, PlayStation Move
Company gets technical about 3D tech and their forthcoming motion controller.
by Chris Burke

April 22, 2010 - At the 3D Gaming Summit in Los Angeles, Sony Platform Research Manager David Coombes talked about the PS3's upcoming firmware update, how it will affect the console's performance, and what's new with the PlayStation Move.

He also addressed concerns that 3D images will cut the console's processing power in half, saying developers can actually find non-3D information that can be shared between left and right images. Shadows, for example, are generally flat. The PS3's GPU can share that data between left and right eye images, instead of having to render it twice.

Similarly, games that are already capable of running in split-screen will transition to 3D more easily, since they're already designed to display two simultaneous images. By finding ways to optimize 3D, developers won't necessarily have to sacrifice detail or framerates.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/108/1085581p1.html

yea a game developed from the ground up with 3D in mind, that is also heavily optimised won't see a 50% drop in performance more like a 10-20% drop. But stereoscopic 3D effect doesn't come for free there will be a performance hit. It is possible to make the impact low by cutting certain effects like Depth of field as they are not needed with 3D but don't expect games like Killzone 2, Uncharted 2 or God of war 3 to be just patched for 3D and not make some form of sacrifice like a drop in resolution and/or FPS and with a few effects missing.

yea, that's exactly why they want the Game's made for 3D and with 3D game engines which those you just stated are not made that way.

so it's not expected to work as well.

example:

Coombes also spoke about 3D on the PlayStation 3 from a development perspective. Most notably, he discussed that the 3D experience in PS3 games would always be implemented by developers, not by an automatic conversion process in the PlayStation 3 itself. While TV manufacturers may offer a conversion feature, the PS3 itself will not. In other words, once the console gets its firmware update, that doesn't mean you'll be able to play any game in pseudo-3D. You'll have to wait for the developers to produce an actual 3D version of the game.

most 3DTV's are providing 3D conversion of existing content.But this conversion is not as good as the 3d content originally created.

 

3DTV's which convert 2D content to 3D only add depth to it but when you are originally desining 3D content in office,you add depth polish it and make it look good from all angles.

 

if you even get a 3DTV,all games will be in 3D vecause of the TV conversion which you can swwitch on and off but not as good as original content



leo-j on 25 April 2010

its amazing how this thread is supposed to be about the ps3, and we have the usual people commenting and attacking the ps3 , all happy wanting to show everyone how it sucks and there is a superior experience available already.

I wish I could curse in this forum.



 

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disolitude on 25 April 2010
leo-j said:
its amazing how this thread is supposed to be about the ps3, and we have the usual people commenting and attacking the ps3 , all happy wanting to show everyone how it sucks and there is a superior experience available already.

I wish I could curse in this forum.

Your post makes no sense. By your logic posts in this thread should be:

"aww 720p or lower...for only select titles... thats ok. Go PS3, you can do it"

Instead, as the information is coming out and we are learning more about 3D tech on PS3, we are having a valid discussion on if the experience will be viable and worth getting and spending money on. Seems fair to me...



HappySqurriel on 25 April 2010

Most of the best looking games for the PS3 and XBox 360 (after over 5 years of development for these platforms) has difficulty running at 720p@30fps. While there will probably be a couple of games that are built from the ground up for 3D and make countless compromises to produce a good looking 3D title, it is unlikely that we will see any meaningful support for 3D displays until the next generation of consoles.

As for the cost of PC's to make them 3D capable, earlier this week Dell.ca had a 21 inch 3D monitor with glasses for sale for under $500; and you should be able to put together a system that takes advantage of that display for under $1000. If there is really any demand for 3D gaming it is likely that the processing power advantage and (dramatically) lower cost of displays will make it take off in the PC world long before it comes to home consoles.