We really should be applauding VGchartz for pretty much nailing the sold number of 360's, with about 1 million in the supply chain right now this is a job well done.

Remember MS does not have to stock nearly as many units in Japan as US/Canada and Others. So a lower number sounds right to me.

Q2 on the table that I provided, that's as clear as day, but if you don't think they overshipped and you think that shipping 1.2 million for the next 6 months is normal and not a clear sign that they overshipped the previous Q, then I have nothing else to say.

You are completely ignoring my reply. Q2 is CHRISTMAS. they didn't over ship, they shipped to demand. Look at the PS2 ship 6.7 mill the sam Q. Christmas is the busiest time or year.

I'm not ignoring it, everybody ships more during Christmas, never denied that, but they still have some decent shipping for the quarters following it. X360 overshipped during Christmas season that year. That's a fact that's as clear as day by looking at that table, I don't even know why you're debating this. Everybody else had higher Q2 as well but had some decent shipments the following quarters, unlike the 360.

You can't compare the 360 to any of the other consoles, it was it's first full xmas season and in a different position to the PS2, PS3 and Wii.

You're just seeing what you wanna see, the proof is in the pudding, here's the PS3 and Wii first full xmas season:

Microsoft's Fiscal Year 2007-08

        Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 FY LTD

PS2 3.2 5.4 2.4 1.5 12.5 37.7

360 1.8 4.3 1.3 1.3 8.7 20.3

PS3 1.3 4.9 2.2 1.6 10.0 14.2

WII 3.9 7.0 4.3 5.2 20.4 29.6

So what's the excuse now? As a matter of fact, I've shown, with facts, that they have overshipped, you asked a question, I answered it, so let me ask you a question, how have they not overshipped and stuffed the channels in Q2 when for the next 6 they shipped a whooping 1.2 million? I'm not saying MS is wrong for overshipping? But they have as you can clearly see on the table - and choose not to see it like in your case. 

Again, 2007 - 2008 a year not in the 360's favour.

Go get 2008 - 2009 figures, and if they show a similar pattern I'll agree.

the problem with launch year is that both PS3 and Wii were both in high demand, so were always going to ship a lot more than 360 in Q2. The problem with 2007/08 is that PS3 came out of xmas with a price cut, meaning the demand was still there in Q2, and wii ... well the demand has always been high.

If 2009 Q2 shows the 360 was overshipped at christmas, when it still had high demand from the price cut and NXE marketing, then I agree they overship.

You said all that and all you gave me were excuses as to why the 360 overshipped, i.e.  you saying "Again, 2007 - 2008 a year not in the 360's favour." and you still didn't answer the question, so let me ask again, how does MS shipping 1.2 million in 6 months not show that it overshipped the quarter before? I'm not asking for an excuse or a reason, I'm asking you to show me how it didn't overship.

I JUST told you, 1.2 mill is probably normal levels for a console NOT in demand, the 360 wasn't in demand at that point in time, PS3 and Wii were.