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sooo when is this thread getting locked?



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CommonMan said:
joshin69 said:
scat398 said:
joshin69 said:
Damyouall has one VERY GOOD point, prove him wrong with numbers and articles, not insults. Its far more effective.

He has a point that has already proven wrong, saying otherwise doesn't make it any less true.


Where has he been proven wrong? Ive allready proven what you wrote wrong from the official xbox site. this is how you prove wrong, with facts. Not "your wrong"

Read my post on the last page, tell me what you think.

Damnyouall said:

What's with the ad hominem attacks? Are we going to to talk about typos next? So far I have seen nothing in this thread that disproves the OP.


How about this? My analysis:

PS3 is only at 30.4 Million, since 8% of PS3's fail (so 33 million * .92 = 30.36) and they only have a 1 year warranty, most of them died out of warranty and have thus been replaced by the owner.

360 is actually at around 38.5 million, because they instituted the 3 year warrany in 2006 and only a small amount could have died outside of the warranty that just started expiring. So we can assume that MS replaced the vast majority of them under the warranty, and DID NOT count those as sales.

So the difference in installed base is actually 8.2 million in favor of the 360.

NOW, prove me wrong. You can't of course because this is all based on bad math and speculation, just like the FORUM POST in the OP. You can't prove nonsense wrong, because it's nonsense.

 

Thank you, that is how to do it! people take note. Bull is best beaten with better bull everytime



 

 assumption is the mother of all f**k ups 

what a ridicilous thread lol

360 sold more consoles thats a fact that determines which console is ahead.




kowenicki said:
makingmusic476 said:
kowenicki said:
makingmusic476 said:
Are you going to attempt to counter any of my claims, or are you just going to act astonished that I made them?

I don't see the point of responses like yours.


I dont see any point in trying to counter anything with you regarding this... no point at all.

The points have already been countered and dealt with ad-nauseum in the thread.

 

 

Which implies you didn't actually read any of my posts.

Unlike the OP, I was merely claiming that the ps3 has a larger install base that is relevant to publishers considering a majority of multiplatform titles now sell better on ps3.  There has yet to be any proof that this statement is incorrect. 

I understand the attacks made against the OP, and as I said in my first post, his reasonings are asinine.   I had assumed you read that, but it seems you never made it past the comma in my first sentence.  Oh how troublesome those pesky punctuation marks can be.

1. Cut the arrogant and condescending tone... its really not required fella.

I read all of your post and whilst I agree with some of your facts, I totally disagree with your conclusion.  The multiplatform titles that sell better in lifetime sales you quoted tend to be games with large Japanese sales or titles (genres) that would historically be deemed a Sony favourite or Playstation centric..... you quote FF XIII, Bayonetta and Dante's Inferno.

So for example... Bayonetta, very similar sales in Others as you'd expect and about 1.5:1 in favour of the 360 in the US.

2. And you cite these games as helping prove your point but just disregard other titles with much higher sales oin the 360 as... to paraphrase... "well they are shooters so of course they sell better on the 360".

Your other point is how older titles are now selling more than their 360 counterparts.... well of course they are.   The PS3 has just had a significant sales surge and these new adopters are busy buying up older titles.  Isn't this blindingly obvious.

3. I havent checked but I am pretty sure the majority of the titles you listed as storming the top 100 for the PS3 will still be showing much bigger sales on the 360 than the PS3.  COD4 and GTAIV are good examples of this.

Lets look at COD4 as an example... you do know it is currently standing at 10.5m (360) to 7.6m (PS3).  So OF COURSE this gives room for it to sell more on a weekly bassis now on the PS3.. more people are currently buying the PS3 weekly and it has sold to more new players over the last 7 months.  I cant see why this is hard to grasp.

4. So inconclusion your point of view is just that and very very very far from some kind of proof... just like the OP in fact. 

Or as you put it... you analysis is asinine.

1. Sorry about that.  I was feeling somewhat frustrated last night as I felt like I was merely being mocked rather than debated with.  I agree the tone was quite uncalled for, and I apologize.

2.  I didn't disregard them.  I pointed out that some titles sell better on one platform, and some sell better on the other, yet on the whole, more titles sell better on ps3 than 360 these days. 

3.  Yes, they do have much higher total sales on 360.  They enjoyed the lionshare of their sales at a time when, unlike the 360, the ps3 was doing pretty horrible.

4.

@makingmusic

and you still havent answered this point....?

I did.  On page three.

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On the whole, I would've been far more open to criticism had either you or themanwithnoname simply pointed out reasons why my conclusion might not be sound rather than essentially rolling your eyes at me.  All it did was motivate me to defend my point rather vehemently.  It was your tone that infected my tone.

And now I'm done with this topic.  In the end, a majority of multiplatform titles sell better on ps3 these days, as shown by the total sales of new games released this year.  How that should be interpreted seems to vary wildly depending on the person.



RolStoppable said:
May I ask why a harmless parody thread gets locked while the original topic which is based on flawed assumptions AND is just a forum post taken from another website with no credibility whatsoever stays open?

Because speculation and false assumptions is more credible than facts?



Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.

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RolStoppable said:
May I ask why a harmless parody thread gets locked while the original topic which is based on flawed assumptions AND is just a forum post taken from another website with no credibility whatsoever stays open?


Yeah, I wasn't aware "originality" was required when starting a new thread. I wonder how many threads someone could go around and lock if that were actually a rule.



themanwithnoname's law: As an America's sales or NPD thread grows longer, the probabilty of the comment "America = World" [sarcasticly] being made approaches 1.

kowenicki said:
RolStoppable said:
May I ask why a harmless parody thread gets locked while the original topic which is based on flawed assumptions AND is just a forum post taken from another website with no credibility whatsoever stays open?


can you link me to the locked thread?


http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=107594



themanwithnoname's law: As an America's sales or NPD thread grows longer, the probabilty of the comment "America = World" [sarcasticly] being made approaches 1.

Yeah the PS3 maybe selling a bit better than the Xbox360,
but honestly, the difference ain't very big. With all these hardware releases
and games, i don't see a huge sale gap happening between them.



yea if we talk about people that bought the console once. but before anyone else does, lets say that since the PSslim realeased every third person that owns a phat ps3 buys a slim. i can't do the math cause i don't have time, but wouldn't that put them on about equal sales?

owner of end of yr. predictions
PS3 PS3 38-45m
PS2 Wii 75-80m
N64 XB360 45m
NES PS2 5M added to Currentsales
PC
Wii



makingmusic476 said:

The bulk of God of War's selling power was focused in NA, thus making that region's total weekly software sales stand out, yes, but the majority of multiplatform titles were selling better on 360 in NA (save a few like FF), while they were not worldwide.

My main metric in all of this has been the sales of multiplatform titles.


Are you trying to switch your stance in the middle of the argument now? What happened to your stance of not caring how old games were? Facts are facts, and the PS3 has been selling more software in the Americas lately, and as you correctly pointed out, God of War III isn't the reason, nor are the other PS3 exclusives that have been released this year as they've slowly drifted down the charts. So if we use your logic, which you for whatever reason, think is applicable to the world and not the Americas, then there is a little short of 9 million people who have either had their consoles failed and not replaced them, or bought them themselves even though there's been a three year warranty for sometime.

You can't switch your stance and go out of the top 100 software sales that you used for the world and say that a majority of multiplatform titles were selling better on 360 in NA, when you shot me down for doing the exact same thing with world sales.



themanwithnoname's law: As an America's sales or NPD thread grows longer, the probabilty of the comment "America = World" [sarcasticly] being made approaches 1.