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Damnyouall on 22 April 2010
makingmusic476 said:
themanwithnoname said:
makingmusic476 said:
 

The 360's overall attach ratio is obviously higher because it has been out a year longer.  Looking at WereKitten's figures you can see that the ps3 has a higher average weekly attach rate in both NA and Europe, and is ever so slightly behind in Japan (given the 360's very small but very hardcore install base in Japan).

The overall attach rate looks at a console's performance over its entire lifespan, but all publishers care about is how titles are selling now and how they will be selling in the future.

Also, you quickly dismiss any discussion of legs as if first week sales are all that matter and you trivialize my examples while providing no counter examples of your own.  Such tactics have easily convinced me you must be right and I must be wrong.  *rolls eyes*

How about this then.  Here's a list of all the titles that have released on both ps3 and 360 in 2010 along with which console has had higher total sales thus far:

Prison Break: The Conspiracy - ps3
Fist of the North Store - ps3
Just Cause 2 - 360
MotoGP 09/10 - ps3
Dragon Age: Awakening - 360
Resonance of Fate - ps3
Final Fantasy XIII - ps3
Resident Evil 5: Gold Edition - ps3
Nobunaga no Yabou: Tendou - ps3
Battlefield: Bad Company 2 - 360
MLB 2k10 - 360
Sonic and Sega All-Stars Racing - ps3
Aliens vs Predator - 360
Bioshock 2 - 360
Dante's Inferno - ps3
MX vs ATV Reflex - 360
Dark Void - 360
Army of Two: The 40th Day - 360
Vancouver 2010 Olympics - ps3
Darksiders - 360 (soon ps3)
Bayonetta - ps3

11 sold better on ps3, 10 on 360 (which will be 12 vs 9 when Darksiders switches)

This only backs up my initial logic, logic that I don't feel had any issues in the first place:  most multiplatform games in the top 100 sold better on ps3 last week, thus ps3 is selling more software than 360.  I don't care how old they are.  Ps3 is moving more third party software.

As for this statement:

The 360 only sells shooters and WRPGs better argument got old a long time ago. Let's shoehorn the PS3 as well and say that it only sells Japanese and adventure games better, even though it doesn't all the time. Just Cause 2 is in neither category as a sidenote.

I never said they *all* sell better on one platform or the other, and I see no issue simply making the observation that some genres tend to sell better on one console while others tend to sell better on the other.  WRPG fans usually own 360s, JRPG fans usually own ps3s.  There's nothing wrong with that.  That's just how it is.

Meh, I don't need counterexamples, because I know how rare it is for games that get outsold by other versions in the first 10 weeks to surpass the other version.

On the other hand, your argument as a whole makes no sense. Why did X360 outsell the PS3 consistently in software near Christmas? Has the PS3 outsold the X360 so much since then that software sales clearly prove it has a higher userbase? Why has the PS3 been selling more software in Americas? You really want me to believe that the 8 million gap (or however many it is) is nonexistant? You've cherrypicked a time when the PS3 happens to be selling more software to use it to draw conclusions that do not have a simple, clearcut explanation. Excuse me if I'm not the only one that's not following your logic. Software sales are not entirely dependent on userbase. 

I look forward to hearing from you this holiday season when the X360 outsells the PS3 in software again, to which your entire argument will have no explanation for.

Call of Duty?  ODST? 

If you go and look at any random week over the holidays, you'll see Call of Duty, ODST, Lego Batman, and Pure on 360 all in the worldwide top 20.  If you look at other titles, you'll see something similar to what I have shown above: Call of Duty/Borderlands/Dragon Age/Madden selling better on 360, Tekken/Fifa/Need for Speed/Batman selling better on ps3.

And how is it cherry picking?  What else would I use to determine the current ratio of game buyers on each console aside from the last few months of software sales?  Are holiday sales somehow more current than current sales?  Should I use 2008 sales just for the hell of it?

By the way, the gap is barely 5 million now.  Total sales are 39.44 vs 34.09, which is only 1.16:1.

That's a pretty good point, which conveniently got mostly ignored. If 360 really had an install base of nearly 5 Million more, then why would the sales look like they do now?



"Well certainly with the Xbox 360, we had some challenges at the launch. Once we identified that we took control of it. We wanted to do it right by our customers. Our customers are very important to us." -Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb (10/2013). Note: RRoD was fixed with the Jasper-revision 3 years after the launch of 360

"People don't pay attention to a lot of the details."-Yusuf Mehdi explaining why Xbone DRM scheme would succeed

"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it's called Xbox 360,”-Don Mattrick

"The region locking of the 3DS wasn't done for profits on games"-MDMAlliance

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r505Matt on 22 April 2010

Wow, my post got all messed up, maybe I can edit it.



Damnyouall on 22 April 2010
eggs2see said:
Damnyouall said:
eggs2see said:
Some things to consider:

1.Phat ps3's being used for things other than gaming (servers, etc)

PS3s used in clusters (by universities etc.) certainly won't account for more than 5 or 10,000, probably less.

Hey i see what you did there. You took a snippet of what i said, and then quoted it without showing what i wrote in it's entirety. You sir should be a reporter.

I only replied to this because I agree that a certain number of PS3s may be used primarily for watching Blu-Rays.



"Well certainly with the Xbox 360, we had some challenges at the launch. Once we identified that we took control of it. We wanted to do it right by our customers. Our customers are very important to us." -Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb (10/2013). Note: RRoD was fixed with the Jasper-revision 3 years after the launch of 360

"People don't pay attention to a lot of the details."-Yusuf Mehdi explaining why Xbone DRM scheme would succeed

"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it's called Xbox 360,”-Don Mattrick

"The region locking of the 3DS wasn't done for profits on games"-MDMAlliance

numonex on 22 April 2010

Yawn.... most nonsensical OP ever created. Completely made up. Flawed arguments and no logic at all. I can not believe that anyone agrees with the flawed argument. Take off those rose tinted glasses. These calculations are crap and made up. Where is the evidence that supports it? It is just a random post from a forum site that no one has heard of before.

PS3 multiplatform games are selling more because it has been outselling the 360 for the last 7 months. PS3 has not been cracked and has no piracy of games. 360 well the sales of the games are adversely impacted due to the ease the 360 can be hacked. Piracy results in a reduction of game sales to a certain extent. 360 predominantly sells shooters that is all us 360 gamers buy on the 360 because the multi-platform shooters play better with 360 controller.

The 360 failure rates are completely exaggerated to make the 360 look really bad. No the 360s are not repaired and resold for a another sale. No they are not sold and counted as two sales. Replacements are not counted in the sales numbers. 39 million is a figure that was sold to retailers as of 31 December 2009.



r505Matt on 22 April 2010
numonex said:
Yawn.... most nonsensical OP ever created. Completely made up. Flawed arguments and no logic at all. I can not believe that anyone agrees with the flawed argument. Take off those rose tinted glasses. These calculations are crap and made up. Where is the evidence that supports it? It is just a random post from a forum site that no one has heard of before.

PS3 multiplatform games are selling more because it has been outselling the 360 for the last 7 months. PS3 has not been cracked and has no piracy of games. 360 well the sales of the games are adversely impacted due to the ease the 360 can be hacked. Piracy results in a reduction of game sales to a certain extent. 360 predominantly sells shooters that is all us 360 gamers buy on the 360 because the multi-platform shooters play better with 360 controller.

The 360 failure rates are completely exaggerated to make the 360 look really bad. No the 360s are not repaired and resold for a another sale. No they are not sold and counted as two sales. Replacements are not counted in the sales numbers. 39 million is a figure that was sold to retailers as of 31 December 2009.

 



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themanwithnoname on 22 April 2010
numonex said:
Yawn.... most nonsensical OP ever created. Completely made up. Flawed arguments and no logic at all. I can not believe that anyone agrees with the flawed argument. Take off those rose tinted glasses. These calculations are crap and made up. Where is the evidence that supports it? It is just a random post from a forum site that no one has heard of before.

PS3 multiplatform games are selling more because it has been outselling the 360 for the last 7 months. PS3 has not been cracked and has no piracy of games. 360 well the sales of the games are adversely impacted due to the ease the 360 can be hacked. Piracy results in a reduction of game sales to a certain extent. 360 predominantly sells shooters that is all us 360 gamers buy on the 360 because the multi-platform shooters play better with 360 controller.

The 360 failure rates are completely exaggerated to make the 360 look really bad. No the 360s are not repaired and resold for a another sale. No they are not sold and counted as two sales. Replacements are not counted in the sales numbers. 39 million is a figure that was sold to retailers as of 31 December 2009.


No no, clearly the evidence is there because we can determine userbase strictly off of software sales now. Why should we even bother looking at the real data of the PS3 and X360 when we can just look at some sales and extrapolate them to figure out what the "active userbase" is? This is undeniably more accurate than numbers we actually have and in fact, all of us here are really a bunch of dunderheads for not being able to see this at all.

It's funny that the reply thread was locked when the OP had just as much credibility as the the basis for this thread in the OP. Can't say I'm shocked though.



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CommonMan on 22 April 2010
themanwithnoname said:
numonex said:
Yawn.... most nonsensical OP ever created. Completely made up. Flawed arguments and no logic at all. I can not believe that anyone agrees with the flawed argument. Take off those rose tinted glasses. These calculations are crap and made up. Where is the evidence that supports it? It is just a random post from a forum site that no one has heard of before.

PS3 multiplatform games are selling more because it has been outselling the 360 for the last 7 months. PS3 has not been cracked and has no piracy of games. 360 well the sales of the games are adversely impacted due to the ease the 360 can be hacked. Piracy results in a reduction of game sales to a certain extent. 360 predominantly sells shooters that is all us 360 gamers buy on the 360 because the multi-platform shooters play better with 360 controller.

The 360 failure rates are completely exaggerated to make the 360 look really bad. No the 360s are not repaired and resold for a another sale. No they are not sold and counted as two sales. Replacements are not counted in the sales numbers. 39 million is a figure that was sold to retailers as of 31 December 2009.


No no, clearly the evidence is there because we can determine userbase strictly off of software sales now. Why should we even bother looking at the real data of the PS3 and X360 when we can just look at some sales and extrapolate them to figure out what the "active userbase" is. This is undeniably more accurate than numbers we actually have and in fact, all of us here are really a bunch of dunderheads for not being able to see this at all.

It's funny that the reply thread was locked when the OP had just as much credibility as the the basis for this thread in the OP? Can't say I'm shocked though.

I'm pretty sad about it myself. There's a reason that this one wasn't locked at the same time though, and it's legitimate. Take it up with Makingmusic.



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Damnyouall on 22 April 2010
themanwithnoname said:


No no, clearly the evidence is there because we can determine userbase strictly off of software sales now.

That's what makingmusic476 did, but it was laregly ignored. It shows the install bases of PS3 and 360 are not what console sales might suggest.



"Well certainly with the Xbox 360, we had some challenges at the launch. Once we identified that we took control of it. We wanted to do it right by our customers. Our customers are very important to us." -Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb (10/2013). Note: RRoD was fixed with the Jasper-revision 3 years after the launch of 360

"People don't pay attention to a lot of the details."-Yusuf Mehdi explaining why Xbone DRM scheme would succeed

"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it's called Xbox 360,”-Don Mattrick

"The region locking of the 3DS wasn't done for profits on games"-MDMAlliance

Bamboleo on 22 April 2010

Considering the broken 360's that got replaced, yes PS3 is in second place already.

but again, if we consider the broken PS2 that got replaced, DS would be already the most sold console of all time.



r505Matt on 22 April 2010
Bamboleo said:
Considering the broken 360's that got replaced, yes PS3 is in second place already.

but again, if we consider the broken PS2 that got replaced, DS would be already the most sold console of all time.

Considering you're making an assumption, no, the PS3 is still in 3rd place. Otherwise, where's your credible source stating that ~5 million 360s have been replaced with new purchases, and were not repaired, or replaced with refurbished units? Not to mention, with more systems with problems, that means there are more refurbished units, and when refurbished units are sold, actual retail sales do no go up, but user base goes back up (meaning the user base is not lowered by the broken units in all cases). This whole thing is far too complicated to just make assumptions.

The bottom line is sales anyways.