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disolitude said:
epicurean said:
disolitude said:
Reading this thread makes me realize that Roger Ebert was so right in saying games can't be art...

Art can not be compared to another piece of art and proclaimed better.


Wouldn't it be great if there was a metacritic average for every painting that is "released".  :)

But people already do proclaim lots of art to be better...music, movies, etc., are art, and they are all rated...

They do...but true musicians, film makers and their fans know its all BS. Rarely will you see a movie maker say "My camera work owns the camera work in that movie". They tend to respect and enjoy everyones work.

But game devs say stuff like that all the time...


This could be a good debate but probably not for this thread.  I would say there is unquestionably some music that is better than other music, and some movies that are better than other movies, however, I also understand what you are saying and agree with it to a point.



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disolitude said:
Reading this thread makes me realize that Roger Ebert was so right in saying games can't be art...

Art can not be compared to another piece of art and proclaimed better.

 

video games go far and beyond what art is doing , they incorporate every single medium of imagination, creation and execution.

and your comment about art cannot be compared to another piece of art and proclaimed better is not true art can be judged like anything else but its all subjective in the end, just like comparing graphics in a game , some people think UC2 is the best while others think something like flower or braid is more suited to there taste of whats "better".

look at the mona lisa or michealangelos david they are replicating the human form to its essence , so in videogames are we not taking that even further with technology , we are creating life like characters and worlds that do not exist in reality to me thats taking the "art" to a whole new level with the tools to make it a reality and the imagination needed to make it believeable. 

art is essentially the beginning and end of creation in my eyes , look at modern art some of it is so basic like a few colored squares or lines some people will argue that it is not considered art, but if you as a person can truley define art then you are a god.

roger ebert says videogames are not art i personally think he feels intellectually threatened by the industry cause he doesnt truley understand the creation and "artists" behind them.  He is not a stupid guy in anyway but i do feel he has an old fashioned view and his ego is holding him back from accepting something that clearly is in the realm of art



i find salvador dali to be the most amazing artist to ever grace the earth this is my opinion , but i have also found characters and worlds in video games to be equally appealing



By the way when does the reviews gonna start coming in?



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disolitude said:
Reading this thread makes me realize that Roger Ebert was so right in saying games can't be art...

Art can not be compared to another piece of art and proclaimed better.

Here here!



CGI-Quality said:
starcraft said:
CGI-Quality said:
God of War III got more reviews calling it the top than that, MUCH more. Besides, you'd have to play both to know, God of War III beats Uncharted 2 on a visual level, and quite comfortably. I'm not wanting to derail the thread but I had to clear that up.

Be interesting to see how this all plays out.

I may be in the minority, but I thought Uncharted 2 looked much better than GoW3.

 

You certainly are.

I certainly am much better?



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CGI-Quality said:
Munkeh111 said:
CGI-Quality said:
God of War III got more reviews calling it the top than that, MUCH more. Besides, you'd have to play both to know, God of War III is beaten considerably by Uncharted 2 on a visual level, and quite comfortably. I'm not wanting to derail the thread but I had to clear that up.

Be interesting to see how this all plays out.

That's better

But it isn't. Uncharted 2 mainly beats GoW III in character models, and even then, nobody in Uncharted 2 looks as good as Kratos. Scale, textures, lighting, aliasing, shadows all are richer/nicer/smoother/better in God of War III, not to mention that Uncharted 2 never sees 60fps.

 

there are areas in uncharted 2 that beat out gow3 but they are very few and far between , overall gow3 is really something else i literally never played a game where my mouth was open in awe .  the textures are absolutely amazing for a console the scale is like nothing ive seen its really a marvel when it comes to presentation.  yes i know that crysis and metro 2033 on pc are graphics kings but what gow3 accomplishes on the console is unmatched and wont be matched till the last guardian i think .

 



selnor said:

So here is the thread.

This thread is purely to see how many reviewers use the words "best console graphics", "best graphics this gen" or anything on those lines.

Guys if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm a man and I can take it. Currently God Of War 3 holds the crown. So when the embargo lifts, so does the embargo of all my flapping for the graphics of Alan Wake. ( What you dont think I can take a joke on myself? ).

Anyways, as I mentioned, this is not a review score thread, but a thread hunting for reviewers opinions. I think it will be pretty resounding that Alan Wake will have alot of graphical praise. Those that disagree, I guess we will find out in a week or so.

 

Currebt Number of reviews claiming Alan Wake Best graphics =

0

 

Hello friend!! Maybe you should read this article from Eurogamer before making this thread: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-alanwake-sub-hd-blog-entry