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@HappySqurriel: But it's popular to say slavery.

The reason wasn't the point, the point was what can happen when majority wants to change the status quo.



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HappySqurriel said:

The cause of the civil war is not something that can adequately be handled on a web forum because there were several social, economic and political differences between the northern and southern states that were influences/causes of the war; and slavery was more of a cross-cutting concern in all of these areas, but it can not really be called the primary or only cause of the civil war.

 

 

Back on topic though, the biggest issue I see with this nominee is that he is an academic with no real experience. Academics are (generally speaking) given the opportunity to only deal with theoretical-ideals in their field, and there is a general disconnect between how they think things work and reality. A non-political example of what I mean by this is that I worked with an individual who received their PHD in Computer Science and taught while doing research for 5 years and, while he was brilliant at solving complicated problems, his code was the least reliable, maintainable and user-friendly code we had ever seen. The reason for this is simple, these are not considerations when developing an application in a research setting; and the 9 years he had after getting his Bachelors degree the typical developer who was working would become fairly decent at dealing with these concerns.

Why this is a problem with a Supreme Court justice is that he is supposed to make the ruling which sets precedence and can not be over-turned by a higher court (because there is no higher court), and without the experience of being a judge at a lower court it is likely that an academic will make judgements based on ideals rather than reality; and the resulting judgement will be wrong.

Liu is a radical . He believes the root of law is social equality not Justice and Freedoms. Worse yet he believes that the government has the right to force it on everyone by pretty much any means, and that the government right to do so is suprior to anything in the constitution.



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hobbit said:

lol what? the civil war was started because Lincoln wanted to use the power of the President to take away states rights. The southern states jumped the gun and started a war instead of fighting it in court. And yes in The usa we follow the constitution, just wait until the health care case gets to the Supreme Court to see this. If a majority ever got big enough that they could replace the constitution then you will see the usa break apart again.

No, it was all about slavery...

Only 8% of the population owned slaves, but almost everyone was willing to die for the cause.

Tell me how this is all about slavery again?



@hobbit: But it IS superior to the constitution. Or to be more more specific, it's the governments job to change the constitution to match the peoples will.



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@hobbit: But it IS superior to the constitution. Or to be more more specific, it's the governments job to change the constitution to match the peoples will.


no its not. Its the states job right to change the constitution, not the Federal government, not the Judges. America isn't built on social equality, its built on Justice and Freedoms. And nothing is superior to the constitution.



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@hobbit: Wait, i'm not getting this here. You are saying nothing is superior to the constitution, right after telling me that states are superior to the constitution.

What if people want social equivality? How do they change the constitution so that there could be social equivality?

Look, in democracy it's the people who hold the highest power, not constitution. And when governing is done via parliament, the elected parliament has the mandate of people to make decisions.



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@hobbit: Wait, i'm not getting this here. You are saying nothing is superior to the constitution, right after telling me that states are superior to the constitution.

What if people want social equivality? How do they change the constitution so that there could be social equivality?

Look, in democracy it's the people who hold the highest power, not constitution. And when governing is done via parliament, the elected parliament has the mandate of people to make decisions.


states are not surperior to the constitution. States have the right in the constitution to change it. People can't change the constitution, only states can. What you don't get is the usa is a Republic not a democracy, and that Republic does not give them the right to do what ever they want. They are limited by the constitution. Originally the states had more rights than they do right now. States use to pick their own senators, now they are picked by popular vote leading to this stupid congress we have now.



@hobbit: Umm... Yeah, if you didn't notice, i was talking about democracy all the time.

And if i recall, democracy is a part of US politicans rhetorics.

The instance that has the power to change the constitution, is superior to constitution. And i'm not talking about superiority as not needing to commit to it, but as being able to make it one that fits the instance controlling it.

Every other form of governing is doomed to fail, except democracy. Though, i'm amazed how long some communistic countries can keep people from revolting in masses. Then again, China, as well as Soviet Union was towards to its end, is slowly giving more rights to its people.



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@hobbit: Umm... Yeah, if you didn't notice, i was talking about democracy all the time.

And if i recall, democracy is a part of US politicans rhetorics.

The instance that has the power to change the constitution, is superior to constitution. And i'm not talking about superiority as not needing to commit to it, but as being able to make it one that fits the instance controlling it.

Every other form of governing is doomed to fail, except democracy. Though, i'm amazed how long some communistic countries can keep people from revolting in masses. Then again, China, as well as Soviet Union was towards to its end, is slowly giving more rights to its people.


Usa is a republic, this move to popular vote for everything is ruining many states in this country. Popular voting of Senators has pretty much destroyed states rights in this country, the only thing that they have left is the Constitution checking the Federal power. It was never ment to be a Democracy. Democracy is crazy. Can you imagine this country if we let the 50% that don't pay for anything have popular vote powers? The  17th amendment needs to be repealled.

Superior can mean what ever you want it to mean. I don't really care.



@hobbit: Yes, i can imagine. And my question is: so what? What would be different?

Now, how can it be a bad thing if a country is actually governed how its people want it to be governed?



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